Most curable Batman rogue

#1 Posted by Ultimate Joker (802 posts) - - Show Bio

Out of them all, who are the most likely to be cured even if they are not cured ever due to the "it wouldn't be exciting" rule? My money's on the likes of Harley Quinn and Riddler. Don't know why, but they seem the most "sane" out of the "insane" people. Perhaps I've missed a person or two, and maybe there's something I'm missing about these two but they kinda struck me as the most likely candidates.

#2 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

Riddler.  He's already reformed at least once.

#3 Posted by bingbangboom (746 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem is that they reform them and run out of villians or ideas and make them go bad again. It would be interesting to see them really reform and have DC stick to it. Would cause a great dynamic. I mean could you imagine a Justice League team with even Catwoman on it? Would be cool but they won't.

#4 Edited by johnny_spam (2031 posts) - - Show Bio
@bingbangboom said:

"Problem is that they reform them and run out of villians or ideas and make them go bad again. It would be interesting to see them really reform and have DC stick to it. Would cause a great dynamic. I mean could you imagine a Justice League team with even Catwoman on it? Would be cool but they won't. "


I think reforming villains doesn't work any more than heroes becoming villlains it's not what the character is about at all. I think people tend to like the villains more than they should and start to see things in the characters that make them forget they are no one's friends and everyone's pain in the ass.
#5 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

Man-Bat. they came seconds from curing him. if he wasnt able to turn into
Man-Bat, he likely wouldnt be a villain anymore. afterwords Wayne could give
him a job and a purpose.

#6 Edited by Ultimate Joker (802 posts) - - Show Bio
@johnny spam said:

" @bingbangboom said:

"Problem is that they reform them and run out of villians or ideas and make them go bad again. It would be interesting to see them really reform and have DC stick to it. Would cause a great dynamic. I mean could you imagine a Justice League team with even Catwoman on it? Would be cool but they won't. "

I think reforming villains doesn't work any more than heroes becoming villlains it's not what the character is about at all. I think people tend to like the villains more than they should and start to see things in the characters that make them forget they are no one's friends and everyone's pain in the ass. "
To me it depends on the villain/hero. Sometimes a hero/villain NEEDS to change into the other because it's EXACTLY what that specific character is all about. In real life people become good or bad all the time. Hell, lots of the time a villain had started out as a good guy in a story and we see him fall into that dark pit becoming "evil", and we label them a "tragic villain" because we can at least understand and feel remorse for them as well as comprehend why they became what they are now. 
 
Sometimes it works beautifully, but the problem is most villains won't change properly because they were too good as a villain and fans don't want a change. Now don't get me wrong, the likes of Joker, Scarecrow, Zsasz, Croc, Ivy, etc, etc, shouldn't change for more than just plot reasons, but shouldn't because for the most part it would go against character and contradict how psychotic or ill they really are; in real life most "insane" people never really get cured so it's even more in-character for them to stay psycho. 
 
Someone like Harley or Riddler are far more capable of a recovery, so why shouldn't they reform given enough time? Only one reason for why they should remain and that is to please the fans. Look at Emma Frost. Started out as a villain for like decades, right? Now she's been an X-Woman for quite a few years and it's expected she is solely on the side of good in movie, cartoon, and even video game canon! I'd say that's quite a change in general attitude from writers in all mediums. 
 
What about Jason Todd? What's he been doing other than being a loon? Last time I checked, he used to be a Robin, and after that he used to be dead too. I guess the writers are still debating what to do with him, eh? XP
#7 Edited by johnny_spam (2031 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ultimate Joker: Well the whole Jason Todd thing to me is a good example I just reread the first book of Under the Hood and it was good but still it further cements my belief that heroes should not become villains and vice versa. As for Jason in his last appearance that seemed to be a meta fictional commentary on a character which Grant Morrison is known for. It could be read that Jason was in fact pissed off at the fans who killed him and is angry over that more than anything.

 
In real life people may become good or bad but in superhero comics the morality is mostly clearly defined all making a hero a villain does mostly is a stunt and the villain becoming a hero is just a temporary change till it wears off. 
 
To me Harley Quinn and Riddler are good villains but still slightly pathetic (as most comic book villains should be) if a hero is something we hope we can be then a villain should be something we hate Harley Quinn to me is how pathetic women who fall in love with people like Charles Manson are or people's fascination with the macabre. Riddler is less dangerous to me than Joker but still dangerous to Batman because he is driven by his own huge ego to beat Batman on a intellectual level. Paul Dini even said he became a PI to show Batman how he can still beat him by solving crimes before hand but somewhere along the way I think he lost sight of it and fell to much in love with the character ignoring his villanous nature like how he did with Joker.

#8 Posted by ironshadow (1470 posts) - - Show Bio

Two-Face

#9 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4157 posts) - - Show Bio

For the most part they are all curable.. I mean a .45 slug cures a ton of ailments :)

#10 Posted by Croaker (296 posts) - - Show Bio
@ironshadow said:
" Two-Face "
Reformed and relapsed countless times. He seems like a lost cause.

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