Morrison's work is crap

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#1 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm reading some, and it's crap. Being a true Batman fan, I loved Miller's DKR version and Loeb's version but this sucks. Snyder is the best now.

#2 Posted by Billy Batson (57941 posts) - - Show Bio

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#3 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boy, you better hope Fade doesn't see this thread and:

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#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, tá mé de chineál ar aontú

#5 Edited by Icarusflies (12490 posts) - - Show Bio

SHUUUUUUN!!! SHUN THE NONBELIEVER! SHUUUUUNN!!!

Morrison is great, and I refuse to hear anything to the contrary. >_>

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#6 Posted by BlackArmor (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't wait to watch the fireworks

#7 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (12931 posts) - - Show Bio

.............are you serious?..............are you actually comparing Miller to Morrison? This will not stand.

#8 Posted by Alexander505 (2144 posts) - - Show Bio

Is your own opinion.

#9 Posted by daredevil21134 (11462 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be entertaining

#10 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree Morrison's work is really over rated.

#11 Posted by Batking200 (277 posts) - - Show Bio

come on he's not that bad

#12 Posted by k4tzm4n (40219 posts) - - Show Bio

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

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#13 Posted by Batking200 (277 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: agreed

#14 Posted by InfamousFish (353 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly agree with you.

#15 Posted by Night Thrasher (3676 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm kinda with you. His work is awesome and insulting at the same time. He has a unique take on just about everything. But, if continuity or characterization collides with what he sees for his characters then he ignores it. His X-Men was a great read, but his characters were all off. I think his Jean was the worst in history but the stories were great so we kinda overlook it.

#16 Posted by sj_esposito (457 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't go so far to say crap, and I definitely wouldn't lump all his work together. That said, I do not like his superhero work--never have, probably never will.

#17 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice work on backing that opinion up.

Hey, I have a fun idea!

Good luck.

@Deranged Midget said:

Oh boy, you better hope Fade doesn't see this thread and:

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#18 Posted by Suprman (442 posts) - - Show Bio

I look at Morrison's work like any other writer in the sense that all writers have good and bad stories. For example, with Morrison's work on Batman, I really liked Batman Incorporated, before the relaunch, but I couldn't stand Batman and Son.

#19 Posted by iLLituracy (13537 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. But you're all wrong, though.

#20 Posted by Mercy_ (92684 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

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#21 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

dude, morrisons work on batman is way better than that crap miller puts out. DKR is overrated, DKSA was crap, and dont even get me started on all-star batman and robin, the only good batman thing hes done is Year One . Morrisons work is actually really good im loving batman inc and his run on batman and robin was awesome.

#22 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

@iLLituracy said:

Okay. But you're all wrong, though.

this

#23 Posted by Superguy0009e (2265 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

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Can you share some?

#24 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison has some good runs but can also become convoluted and near impossible to follow. I liked the Batman and Robin run, and Batman Inc. has been good so far (though I hate the whole concept). Other things, like Final Crisis, were just god awful. One indisputable story of wonder is All Star Superman, however. So basically it is just hit or miss for me.

#25 Posted by entropy_aegis (15198 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

I'm reading some, and it's crap. Being a true Batman fan, I loved Miller's DKR version and Loeb's version but this sucks. Snyder is the best now.

DKR is just one story,lets not forget about DKSA and All-Star Batman.Also Loeb...HAHAHAHAHA

#26 Posted by Squalleon (4539 posts) - - Show Bio

@Eternal19: I think Morrison doesn't like the Batman thats why he can't get into character!He had some good stories(B&R,Arkham Asylum) but also had terribly bad ones (Batman RIP which is completely out of character).Plus he can't get the cast,he made Jason todd like a serial killer.Ok TDR is overrated but it was a game changer.It's like saying that the beatles are overrated.

#27 Posted by Lvenger (19269 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are good. I enjoy both their Batman runs but I'm guilty of enjoying Snyder's Batman slightly more in retrospect. Now:

@Superguy0009e said:

@Billy Batson said:

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#28 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@daredevil21134 said:

This should be entertaining

@Billy Batson said:

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#29 Posted by rogue_mar1e (19833 posts) - - Show Bio

Welp.

@InnerVenom123 said:

Nice work on backing that opinion up.

Hey, I have a fun idea!

Good luck.

You love starting sh~t don't you. :P

#30 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

People who don't know a lot about Batman tend to hate Morrison's run on Batman. Those who do know about Batman think it's ok or great.

But I consider him only good in certain situations, like Geoff Johns. His Superman run has been garbage.

#31 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

#32 Posted by entropy_aegis (15198 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

Why not? I'll take time travel over punching Scarecrow's face for the trillionth time and he was'nt godly when the Black Glove owned him,most people enjoy the Batfamily.The one's who dont are just some poozers still stuck in late 80's.

#33 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@comicdude23:  
I can completely see what you're saying, I mean with such stellar threads as; "Do you think I should become a Bounty Hunter?" and the superbly self-aware "Is anyone here black?", you are quite clearly the go-to guy for intelligent storytelling. I would certainly take your word over the extremely well thought out and intricately detailed plotting of Grant Morrison. I mean, the way he's seamlessly brought the entire canon of Batman back to relevancy, as well as continually carving out new territory is just infuriating. Who wants to think that much? Doctor Hurt's constant machinations wore me down, I just wanted to see Killer Croc punch something. That's why I read comic books, because I like to watch people in silly costumes get punched. How dare Morrison push the medium into the realms of high-imagination that it is capable of? Damian was so annoying, like, I hated how he started out as a brat and then gradually grew as a character. I just wanted him to stay the same forever, or have Bruce force him to eat rats, like in All-Star Batman and Robin, written by Frank Miller who really understands Batman. And the level of ingenuity shown to connect absurd concepts like Zur-Enn-Ahh to the night of Bruce's parents death, thus explaining its indelible mark on his subconscious? That was so silly. Clearly Zur-Enn-Ahh should have just been taken out of canon and Batman from the Silver Age brought back like Flash: Rebirth.  
 
And then you have things like the Black Glove and how they tore Bruce down, and only his incomparable paranoia saved his life. That same aspect of his personality that was responsible for Brother Eye and his expulsion from the Justice League. The way that Morrison was also able to add multiple layers to his Batman epic, with Batman undertaking something of a Messianic Trial and Journey, that was just frustrating. I hate layers. I like stories where everything is laid out perfectly for me and I don't have to think. Have you read Loeb's Hulk? Amazing stuff. I think it'd be right up your alley. I know I found it a huge relief to not have to worry about symbolism or multiple plot threads.  
 
Morrison's Batman really did suck, I hate how he kept challenging the reader's preconceived notions of what a Batman story could be like. And then the way Snyder just took all of Morrison's ideas, simplified them and jammed them together? Now that is a masterwork of storytelling.  
 
Thank you so much for opening my eyes with your thread, without your in-depth and superb analysis, I could have gone on as one of the idiotic masses who actually enjoys intelligence and creativity in their comic books. You saved me from that with your eloquent deconstruction, thank you. 
 
AvX, and Justice League by Johns are awesome!
#34 Posted by Billy Batson (57941 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt:

Didn't know Johns wrote AvX :p
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#35 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Billy Batson: Eh, it would make sense, it's all the same crap :P
#36 Edited by Sovereign Son (1901 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

So it deserves a whole thread!!!!! because you simply don't like it. Ever heard of a status update?

#37 Posted by sethysquare (3843 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

I'm reading some, and it's crap. Being a true Batman fan, I loved Miller's DKR version and Loeb's version but this sucks. Snyder is the best now.

You hate Morrison but love Loeb?

#38 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign Son said:

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

So it deserves a whole thread!!!!! because you simply don't like it. Ever heard of a status update?

Status Update: "I'm Batman. Screw Morrison. He tried to kill me."

#39 Posted by SupBatz (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not my favorite writer but he does have plenty of redeeming qualities. A lot of the time I don't think how he writes particular characters but he's had some pretty good runs. And it's hard to hate the guy who brought us Damian :P

#40 Posted by gunmetalgrey (1267 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt: That post was fantastic! Standing ovation.

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#42 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

Snyder's work is overrated, good but overrated. Dead long lost brother yyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn... Harper Row lame.

#43 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@comicdude23: I can completely see what you're saying, I mean with such stellar threads as; "Do you think I should become a Bounty Hunter?" and the superbly self-aware "Is anyone here black?", you are quite clearly the go-to guy for intelligent storytelling. I would certainly take your word over the extremely well thought out and intricately detailed plotting of Grant Morrison. I mean, the way he's seamlessly brought the entire canon of Batman back to relevancy, as well as continually carving out new territory is just infuriating. Who wants to think that much? Doctor Hurt's constant machinations wore me down, I just wanted to see Killer Croc punch something. That's why I read comic books, because I like to watch people in silly costumes get punched. How dare Morrison push the medium into the realms of high-imagination that it is capable of? Damian was so annoying, like, I hated how he started out as a brat and then gradually grew as a character. I just wanted him to stay the same forever, or have Bruce force him to eat rats, like in All-Star Batman and Robin, written by Frank Miller who really understands Batman. And the level of ingenuity shown to connect absurd concepts like Zur-Enn-Ahh to the night of Bruce's parents death, thus explaining its indelible mark on his subconscious? That was so silly. Clearly Zur-Enn-Ahh should have just been taken out of canon and Batman from the Silver Age brought back like Flash: Rebirth. And then you have things like the Black Glove and how they tore Bruce down, and only his incomparable paranoia saved his life. That same aspect of his personality that was responsible for Brother Eye and his expulsion from the Justice League. The way that Morrison was also able to add multiple layers to his Batman epic, with Batman undertaking something of a Messianic Trial and Journey, that was just frustrating. I hate layers. I like stories where everything is laid out perfectly for me and I don't have to think. Have you read Loeb's Hulk? Amazing stuff. I think it'd be right up your alley. I know I found it a huge relief to not have to worry about symbolism or multiple plot threads. Morrison's Batman really did suck, I hate how he kept challenging the reader's preconceived notions of what a Batman story could be like. And then the way Snyder just took all of Morrison's ideas, simplified them and jammed them together? Now that is a masterwork of storytelling. Thank you so much for opening my eyes with your thread, without your in-depth and superb analysis, I could have gone on as one of the idiotic masses who actually enjoys intelligence and creativity in their comic books. You saved me from that with your eloquent deconstruction, thank you. AvX, and Justice League by Johns are awesome!

I disagree.

@entropy_aegis said:

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

Why not? I'll take time travel over punching Scarecrow's face for the trillionth time and he was'nt godly when the Black Glove owned him,most people enjoy the Batfamily.The one's who dont are just some poozers still stuck in late 80's.

  • Batman is better as a loner
  • Time travel is stupid. We need better and more realistic storylines
  • He makes Batman look like a joke
#44 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@comicdude23 said: 

@entropy_aegis said:

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

Why not? I'll take time travel over punching Scarecrow's face for the trillionth time and he was'nt godly when the Black Glove owned him,most people enjoy the Batfamily.The one's who dont are just some poozers still stuck in late 80's.

  • Batman is better as a loner
  • Time travel is stupid. We need better and more realistic storylines
  • He makes Batman look like a joke
Like a god and a joke? Well that's impressive. 
#45 Posted by entropy_aegis (15198 posts) - - Show Bio

  • Batman is better as a loner
  • Time travel is stupid. We need better and more realistic storylines
  • He makes Batman look like a joke

Batman is'nt a loner,a loner does'nt have such a large cast of supporting characters most of whom have starred in their own ongoings.

Time Travel is actually one of the coolest concepts around.

Care to elaborate? or are you just goading us in to a pointless debate?

#46 Posted by Mr_Winchester (708 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt:  My sarcasm measuring apparatus went into overload! 
#47 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: Can you give reasons and explain on them. Otherwise this sounds like a hate thread.

#48 Posted by BloodTalon (431 posts) - - Show Bio

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@comicdude23: I can completely see what you're saying, I mean with such stellar threads as; "Do you think I should become a Bounty Hunter?" and the superbly self-aware "Is anyone here black?", you are quite clearly the go-to guy for intelligent storytelling. I would certainly take your word over the extremely well thought out and intricately detailed plotting of Grant Morrison. I mean, the way he's seamlessly brought the entire canon of Batman back to relevancy, as well as continually carving out new territory is just infuriating. Who wants to think that much? Doctor Hurt's constant machinations wore me down, I just wanted to see Killer Croc punch something. That's why I read comic books, because I like to watch people in silly costumes get punched. How dare Morrison push the medium into the realms of high-imagination that it is capable of? Damian was so annoying, like, I hated how he started out as a brat and then gradually grew as a character. I just wanted him to stay the same forever, or have Bruce force him to eat rats, like in All-Star Batman and Robin, written by Frank Miller who really understands Batman. And the level of ingenuity shown to connect absurd concepts like Zur-Enn-Ahh to the night of Bruce's parents death, thus explaining its indelible mark on his subconscious? That was so silly. Clearly Zur-Enn-Ahh should have just been taken out of canon and Batman from the Silver Age brought back like Flash: Rebirth. And then you have things like the Black Glove and how they tore Bruce down, and only his incomparable paranoia saved his life. That same aspect of his personality that was responsible for Brother Eye and his expulsion from the Justice League. The way that Morrison was also able to add multiple layers to his Batman epic, with Batman undertaking something of a Messianic Trial and Journey, that was just frustrating. I hate layers. I like stories where everything is laid out perfectly for me and I don't have to think. Have you read Loeb's Hulk? Amazing stuff. I think it'd be right up your alley. I know I found it a huge relief to not have to worry about symbolism or multiple plot threads. Morrison's Batman really did suck, I hate how he kept challenging the reader's preconceived notions of what a Batman story could be like. And then the way Snyder just took all of Morrison's ideas, simplified them and jammed them together? Now that is a masterwork of storytelling. Thank you so much for opening my eyes with your thread, without your in-depth and superb analysis, I could have gone on as one of the idiotic masses who actually enjoys intelligence and creativity in their comic books. You saved me from that with your eloquent deconstruction, thank you. AvX, and Justice League by Johns are awesome!

wow you are wordy and condescending congratulations for you

#49 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@BloodTalon: Yeah, God forbid a post go more than two lines, right?
#50 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

  • Batman is better as a loner
  • Time travel is stupid. We need better and more realistic storylines
  • He makes Batman look like a joke

Batman is'nt a loner,a loner does'nt have such a large cast of supporting characters most of whom have starred in their own ongoings.

Time Travel is actually one of the coolest concepts around.

Care to elaborate? or are you just goading us in to a pointless debate?

  • I prefer him as a loner. It's his war on crime, there is no point for a brooding, dark crime fighter to be pairing up with a 13 year old boy dressing up in green and yellow. It's silly. It's his war on crime, he shouldn't be letting others join in with him IMO.
  • Not for a Batman story. Maybe for Superman but I can't take him seriously if he's time travelling.
  • It's just silly, it's not really a gritty story.

This is just my opinion. I have to state the truth that everyone else is afraid to say. Morrison should stay away from Batman.

@MrShway88 said:

@comicdude23: Can you give reasons and explain on them. Otherwise this sounds like a hate thread.

I've already gave them.

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@comicdude23 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@comicdude23 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

If you're going to insult a fan favorite writer, I imagine you'll need a better argument than "it's crap" to have the remark taken seriously.

Ok. I don't like his work because he makes Batman look like a god, he adds silly storylines like time travel and his emphasis on the bat-family, just meh. I don't like it.

Why not? I'll take time travel over punching Scarecrow's face for the trillionth time and he was'nt godly when the Black Glove owned him,most people enjoy the Batfamily.The one's who dont are just some poozers still stuck in late 80's.

  • Batman is better as a loner
  • Time travel is stupid. We need better and more realistic storylines
  • He makes Batman look like a joke
Like a god and a joke? Well that's impressive.

Yes. Batman is a human and not invincible.

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