I guess their popularity makes writers do stupid things with them. I mean if we go with Snyder's thinking what the hell do we need DARKSEID or Despero around for if the Joker can easily take control of the JL. And don't get me started on Bats going rounds w Darkseid. It's a huge pile of bs, and lazy writing.

Its called prep. Its not lazy writing at all. You seem to be forgetting that batman did no damage to Darkseid at all and was losing that fight. And the JL aren't impossible to beat with prep. A disease lex luthor created just took out half the JL and he didn't even mean for it to do that. They aren't immune to everything. So theres no reason joker can't take them out with prep. Also the way batman defeats the JL is far from lazy writing. Most writers would never have thought of that stuff, most notably how batman defeated wonder woman. You are letting power scales get in the way of enjoying a good story. So, to summarize, batman losing to Darkseid is not bs or lazy writing, and neither is joker mine controlling JL, when other humans have prepped for them before. Go complain somewhere else.

@jayc1324: it's lazy writing at its best! Individually each leaguer has faced their fare share of mind controllers, individually each leaguer has saved the world! How the $&&(ck does Joker get wise on Wonder Woman's physiology, she's a God. Or Aquaman or Superman! It's sensationalistic crap writing imo. Then in some other story we get to see Nightwing take down the Joker all by his lonesome, yay! it's crap writing. The Joker is worst than Wolverine now. And you don't tell me what to do dude, chill.

They aren't going to listen to you, you aren't going to listen to them and I think people are really tired of talking about batgod.

@sog7dc: not really, here we are

We need Darkseid and Despero around for the real heroes, not those League pussies

@blackdog2009: I actually agree with you, btw, but these threads always go the same way and there's like 4 of them right now talking about the same thing.

Batman can't do anything without Batman haters complaining lol.

Besides, Goeff. Johns is still writing Earth One and JL. Given Batman's past few months, Goeff is due for taking him down a few pegs.

@theamazingbatman760: he could die :P. Jk.

I like him but that doesn't mean I have to like everything he does.

@blackdog2009: Like I said, prep. If joker prepped for Nightwing he would destroy him too. Batman thought of a way to beat wonder woman based on the fact that she is a god. That's creative, not lazy. Its not lazy writing at all, stop complaining.

Also you're point about Darkseid is entirely wrong because batman lost that encounter.

The power of prep time is an impressive feat - but writers love to take it up a few notches and ruin it.

Just because your favourite heroes were beaten by a more popular character doesn't make it lazy writing.

@sog7dc: I understand where your coming from but sometimes people forget that these are comic book characters and can do all sorts of unbelievable things.

@jayc1324: you saved me a lot of typing, thank you

Part of me wants to see a comic where Batman and Joker team-up and stomp the JL and Darkseid just to laugh at all the hurt feelings and extreme nerd rage it would cause. I find it hilarious that people can get so worked up over the things a fictional character does.

Plot is a Hell of a drug.

Are people still upset about it? when he didn't even beat darkseid.

@blackhawk000111: Darkseid is a God. He slayed cosmic rulers all by himself. Batman by all accounts shouldn't even be able to touch Darkseid. Snyder has a hard on for the Joker that has really irked me. I like the Joker and by all means HE IS a bad $(:mofo but within the context of the DC universe he is a speck compared to the main Justice Leaguers. Now all of a sudden the Joker is a prep God?! Give me a break! and what is worst is that no matter how formidable the Joker is, the effect is that SNYDER's endings turn out to be lame, anticlimactic and stupid. Much like that horrible Death Of The Family storyline.

@transformers1024: well said

This

Also everything @jayc1324 said.

Collectively, this^

Also, this. Let's shelve the discussion. No one is convincing anyone on either side to change their minds/opinions with these topics.

Funny.

Thats why he got Hellbat.

I like Batman when he's a clever and resourceful strategist, a detective who can find and exploit an opponent's weakness in a realistic way, even when that weakness isn't immediately evident. His defeat of the JLA was fantastic because that's what happened.

I hate Batgod who can just create tech that let's him do anything with no actual strategy involved, just plot device.

I'm fine with Joker outsmarting and defeating the Justice League, but some dues ex mind control serum is not clever writing.

@nickzambuto: Darkseid beat Batman hard, so I don't see what the problem is.

Never mentioned the Darkseid fight.

Don't like it. Don't read it.

Batman challenging the "gods" is tasty pudding. I'll have more please.

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

I love this hahaha

@anjales:

This is interesting and let me explain why. I find Shyder's. Batman entertaining and enthralling but I dislike certain things he had happen to batman (the finale to ZY. I really really enjoyed ZY too so that finale stung) I dislike what he did to Mr. freeze, I love the idea of the court but feel it wasn't everything it could have been, I didn't like anything about DoTF, I love love love his short arcs/filler issues and I dislike certain aspects of Endgame so far even though I have been entertained by it. My point is you don't have to be a total supporter of something to enjoy it and criticisms and opinions shouldn't be summarily dismissed because they're not popular.

@nickzambuto: To be fair, the poison Joker is using appears to have some sort of "Agent X" in it that is unidentifiable. I don't think it's too far fetched to assume it's supernatural, in light of recent developments.

Well the Joker created a serum for each member and he deploy it in a clever time. Also recent evidence points towards a super natural origin to him.

Can't everyone realize that comics are meant for enjoyment and fun. If you don't like a particular writer's interpretation, then don't buy it. Simple as that

lol prepped Joker would stomp Nightwing with no effort. Really stop complaining about this. Better to complain about messed up New 52 continuity then this.