Underrated in what way?

Of course. Especially in the battle forums.

I like that picture.

Just in general

Underrated could mean tons of things.

Explain yourself.

Well people think he's really slow and that he can't fight and always ignore his strength and durability and stealth feats and his gadgetry and say he's not smart, so yes. On the battles forums at least.

@deathpoolthet1000: he doesn't get the respect he deserves

There is a lot of bitching in general for any given subject on the vine.

If you're passionate enough about these subjects to join a whole internet community of nerds, its pretty understandable though.

Not really from what I have seen he is actually underrated

On general forums, the Nolan Batman films seem to atleast enter top 10 lists of CBM's so in respect to movie quality, he is not.

But in the battles forum, 100% yes he is underrated.

Quoted for truth.

Agreed 100%

Something could be underrated in tons of ways and dont get the respect in several aspects and ways.

This doesnt explain it.

Example people underrate the comic book aspects of the movies.

Not at all

Dude- yes or no? Stop making things so complicated

Yes and no, since its overrated in some aspects and underrated in others.

*Bro fist*

This, there is a forum where people were saying he is on the same level of Roy from Arrow.

This

He isn't, you just overrate him. He is rated as he should be in the battles forum.

What does thou mean?

In the battle forums he is taken as a slow-ass that can't fight, and that any street leveler could beat him with ease. So, yeah. He is underrated

He is underrated. If you legitimately think a real life human can accomplish what he did, or of any generic action star, then you are simply ignoring the facts.

I explained this to you on another thread and gave you feats but you never responded.

What do you mean?

How do you figure Frozen overrates him? Frozen's got the right idea, Nolan Batman might as well be fodder in the battle forums these days.

Yeah, he's pretty underrated from the perspective that he apparently isn't as impressive as real life martial artists. I actually recall a thread on here where some thought they could beat Nolan Batman in a fight themselves...

@ganon15: In what way is he underrated? Fighting ability, characterization, etc.

In general

In battles? Each situation is largely dependant on the specifics yo!

The worst part is that they were actually serious.

Man, it was embarrassing...

@ganon15: Then yes and no.

The hell with it, I think @frozen put it perfectly; he's obviously not underrated in terms of movie ranking so let's just go with 'battles'.

PFFFFFTTT! Ain't nobody like the Batman films for Batman! YOU CRAZEH!

1. Whether or not a real world human can do what he did is completely irrelivant when contrasting him to other, more powerful fictional characters.

2. You continue to credit his strength feats to his strength, ignoring the fact that it is a next generation prototype military suit of armor with enhanced strength that allows him to accomplish most of them.

3. You mean the thread about which Nolan movie is the most realistic? Indeed, I still have it open in a tab I just haven't gotten to it. If you want, we can just continue the conversation there, as I intend on replying tomorrow.

@muyjingo: Sorry for interrupting, but Batman's strength feats are not from the suit. The suit was never stated or shown or implied to enhance his strength. Also, one of his best strength feats was performed without the suit at all, and that's him lifting Ra's from the icy cliffside with one arm. Lifting the log off of himself when Ra's burned his house down was another feat without the suit too.

I didn't see the conversation you two had in the other thread frozen mentioned so if what I'm saying is irrelevant to what you two are actually discussing, then my bad, but it sounds like you are suggesting that the suit gives him the extra strength for his feats, and that's not true.

@muyjingo: Where are you getting the suit part from? Nowhere in the film series is it ever stated that his body armor gives him enhanced strength. It was just Kevlar plated armor designed for protection, it made him more durable, it didn't make him stronger. The only scene to which he did seem somewhat stronger was in the beginning of The Dark Knight (car park scene) when he used his ''bat gun bender'' which was only used once.

Yes, continue the discussion of his feats in that thread. Considering that I've basically posted my full argument there. Though I may or may not get the chance to respond tomorrow due to Christmas.

@frozen:

You can't say it's shown nowhere in the film and then state the scene where it happened, and dismiss it because it only happened once.

It's shown pretty clearly on screen, to me at least. Opening of TDK, as you said.

Looks like it's a standard part of the suit to me.

@jayc1324: You can't interrupt man, it's a forum, all good :D

When he tore open the door of the van at the beginning of TDK, that was the suit. When he kicked that column in TDKR, that was the leg brace, which became part of the suit.

I'm not discounting his impressive physical feats, but the suit did help in some cases, and in any event, even if it wasn't the suit, he still isn't underrated. That point makes no difference because whether it is his body or the suit being responsible makes no difference; he is still far below the people he gets matched against.

@muyjingo: The gadget he used in the beginning of The Dark Knight was a specific gadget, not his suit.

The leg brace was certainly an amp but that still applies without his Bat-Suit so the point is moot.

It's (''bat gun bender'') quite clearly shown and makes a specific noise when he first uses it.

Yes, people act like he is just some goon and completely ignore any feats. Then act like they could beat him because they got a green belt in the fourth grade.

He's overrated in the battle forum. He isn't martial impressive. The poor choreography doesnt help his case. He has some cool feats but against most opponents people put him against, he's meh.

I am amazed how little people know about fighting and how their comments are based on myths.

@frozen said:

@muyjingo: The gadget he used in the beginning of The Dark Knight was a specific gadget, not his suit.

The leg brace was certainly an amp but that still applies without his Bat-Suit so the point is moot.

It's (''bat gun bender'') quite clearly shown and makes a specific noise when he first uses it.

So I looked this up. It's specifically called the Pneumatic Mangler, and also appeared in Batman Begins, at least according to the Batman wikia.

I agree it isn't part of the standard suit, but it should be noted when it is used for any strength feats people want to attribute to the Nolan Batman.

Really though, that doesn't matter. His armored suit is responsible for most of his durability feats, he has no impressive speed feats and his strength is far, far below any hero from the main DC or Marvel universes. I'll reply to the feats post later, but for now I can't possibly see how Nolan Batman is underrated in battles.

Can you give an example of when you think he has been underrated against a different character?

He is always underrated.People think any CBM character can beat him.I bet he can give mcu cap a fight.

@keshav jha: Are you nuts,he can't even touch Steve.

@kripanath: Batroc gave Steve a fight so why can't Bruce?

@keshav jha said:

Batroc gave Steve a fight

so why can't Bruce?

Same old ABC logic.Batroc can defeat Bruce as well.

@kripanath: Bruce's h2h skills are way above Batroc

@kripanath: Recently i watched the winter soldier. The first time i saw the fight i thought "wow, dude gave Steve a run for his money". But the second time i watched i noticed it was an easy fight for Steve, so i recommed you rewatch it.

I don't think so.

Yeah. Sure he's not as insanely skilled or resourceful as most versions of himself but he's not just a "drunken brawler".