Whenever I go any battle thread with he loses so why he is such a fearsome villian in dc universe is he being understimated

This.

Even if you put him up against low level street levelers like Sharon Carter,he would still lose. In a match of deception and manipulation,sure. He can win.

But in an actual fight,he can't really beat anyone.

Yes, he is very underestimated. Due to mixed showings and people being biased against him, a lot of people forget that Joker can be a badass when he wants to be. He's an outrageously good marksman and can even attack slightly faster than Batman can react to. He has a few solid h2h showings and amazing gun showings.

Street Level at best in open fight in a 'clear room'

Hes overrated on here

Guys he beat whole batfamily in new 52 I think understimate him especially with prep

@blackhawk000111: why did he beat them (debatable)? because the plot said so.

Very underestimated.

@i_dont_like_comics: IN Superman tas he beat superman. IN JL cartoon he also proved himself in many episodes and people still understimate him

@blackhawk000111: like i said: B-E-C-A-U-S-E P-L-O-T R-E-A-S-O-N-S.

@i_dont_like_comics: In fiction everything is B-E-C-A-U-S-E P-L-O-T R-E-A-S-O-N-S

@blackhawk000111: lol, thats all you have? The cartoons? Those clearly arent cannon and have no business in a battle thread unless specifically asking for the cartooon version of a character.

@redlantern23: He beat the whole batfamily is canon

For Those Who Tend To Underestimate Him

Zatanna's ex-assistant dies tragically, and his current boss, aka illusionist Ivar Loxias, is involved. Therefore, Batman and Zatanna go to his place to confront him about what happened. But a surprise waits for them, since not only the illusionist confirms non-chalantly his responsibility for the murder, but he takes them down & prisoners. Then, he reveals himself to be none other than the Joker, who apparently killed Loxias and took his place (Detective Comics #833)

Evades and kills a dozen of Ra's Al Ghul's henchmen (Legends of the Dark Knight #142)

Defeats Ra's Al Ghul in a game of chess impressing The Demon (I've seen chest matches on the vine and i thought it was fitting)

Takes a full dose of fear gas to the face and pretty much brushes it off then knocks out Scarecrow (Detective Comics #664)

Demonstrating his intelligence, the Joker knows about the existence of the multiverse:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...ntelligence.jpg

Withstanding Some serious mental force by raven

Beating Lex Luthor Mono E Mono

J'onn struggles to mentally control the Joker, for any length of time..

"I'm making him sane, but I can't hold it for long. His mind is like a storm raging."

"Have to let go, it's impossible to hold him together any longer":

Alright this one isn't really that relative but i thought the whole bit was quite hilarious

Sorry I cant upload pics u can see it here http://www.comicvine.com/joker/4005-1702/forums/joker-respect-thread-22275/

@blackhawk000111: In a one on one fight in a neutral environment? Try again.

Hes a weakling, so no suprise.

He isn't supposed to be Bane OP so I have no idea why you bring this up.

I kind of agree with you because although he would clearly loose in an all-out brawl conflict, anyone who thinks that is actually a scenario that will happen given the Joker's intelligence & mastery of all kinds of vice clearly needs to spend a lot more time reading stories with the Joker.

Name me one character that would sacrifice his wife/family-member just to get at the Joker, because he would most def never go into anything without proper leverage & kidnappings are one of his specialities. Just saying.

This

This.

Nah. Not when it comes to battle threads anyway.

@blackhawk000111: It's the Timm-verse; Batman's also threw Superman across the room in the Timm-verse. Bruce Timm's Batman was Bat-God, so Joker had to be really influential, too.

Joker is a threat to Batman because Batman is a man who likes to predict his opponent's actions and react to it. Joker is effective because he's organized chaos that Batman can't predict. That being said, he's not hard to stop if you rely on instinct or if you're just as disorganized.

He's very beatable if you can see past his crazy.

@dwightspitz: None of what you said has to do with the battle thread. OP asked why Joker is underestimated in battles. Battles are 1 on 1 conflicts. There's no other wY around it.

Well then the whole concept of "battle threads" is retarded. Why paint up a scenario that is NEVER going to happen anyway (even if it is fiction & comics)? Ill always need reason & scenario/circumstances otherwise what's the point? Why would it be interesting? And by your own measure its basically Darkseid/Anti-Monitor/Marvel's clone of Darkseid(I forget his name) kills everyone, end of story, no discussion... now how fun is that?

Hes usually overestimated or thought of a little weaker than he actually is on this site, imo

@dwightspitz: So.....dont go to the battle forum?

Regardless of your opinion on the format, the fact remains that Joker is a pretty weak combatant in direct conflict.

I think in battle forums he is usually given preparation

I had to post this. So funny.

you cant see past his crazy.

He doesn't work in the battle forums and that is simply due to them being very limited. In actual fights there are no rules and stipulations,prep isn't narrowed down to the amount of robots or plot devices one can bring,there are no locations "A" and "B",etc,simply put battle forums are very static.

For e.g the Joker wouldn't stand a chance in the battle forums against Deathstroke,a character he has already beaten.

@entropy_aegis: He has beaten deathstroke when?

Deathstroke the Terminator #58,written by Marv Wolfman.

@entropy_aegis: Cool.Can u post scans

Very underrated. He has great marksman showings, great hand to hand showings, but mostly weapons and gear. Joker gas, hidden tasers and knives, toys, everything. Joker is dangerous and unpredictable, and is crazy. He has no concern for his own safety. He's also beaten a slew of other street level characters before.

More often then not he is overestimated.

Only to the uninformed.

To me he is way overrated, at least on this website. People say he'd beat Deadshot in a fight because of his "unpredictable insanity"

In the end it comes down to writer's bias. Batman should have died in some alleyway to a two-bit thug with a gun within the first week of his crime-fighting career. But the writers wouldn't allow that. Writer's bias is the best superpower around, Batman has even been able to best Superman with it.

He did kinda fight batman to a standstill in Endgame. And on other occasions he has outsmarted others or even beaten them in a fight. Most people in battle threads have never been in a real fight, either in a ring or outside. Unpredictability, speed and feints are just as important as technique. And these are things the Joker has plenty off.

Hell, even Fedor can lose against an upstart if he is not in the right mindset or distracted. And the Joker is amazing at disturbing his opponents. He is not as good in h2h combat as the likes or Batman, but I do know some comics he beat him or others at his level, simply because he found a weakness to capitalize on. And in the end a fight is all about finding these weaknesses.

This is also why you should not pay too much attention to battle threats. A fight is very situational, and as much psychological as physical. But most battle threats only take into account the physical aspects of battle.

He is underestimated on the battle sites simply because they don't read about him. I hardly have much batman knowledge but even then he is regarded among the most feared among the bat family and while criminals may fear batman, they are terrified of the joker.

That's exactly it.

This too

I agree