Is Batman, Inc The Right Direction?

#201 Posted by TizJiz (5 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont understand why people are hating on this idea.  Batman is well known now and this whole "urban myth" thing isn't effective anymore, the criminals dont care... they know Batman is just a man.  So now he is stepping it up and essentially telling criminals "you cant hide anymore, no matter where you go I will find you"

#202 Posted by Mainline (1129 posts) - - Show Bio
@TizJiz said:
" So now he is stepping it up and essentially telling criminals "you cant hide anymore, no matter where you go I will find you" "
Except Batman didn't step up, Bruce Wayne did.  Even if we accept this rationale, why didn't Batman make the announcement?  Heck, if franchising and a show of force was the point, why didn't Batman, Inc. make the announcement?  Why not put your "army" on parade if declaration of force is more effective tool of fear than mystery?
#203 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7714 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman Inc has a mysterious plot behind it that people dont know ye.t Its more than just Batman forming a team.
#204 Posted by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShirEPanjshir:
Humans dont become polymaths,detectives,master of all fightining styles,all physical disciplines and peak human(which in comicbook terms is around 1 ton).so yeah he is NOT A HUMAN ,never called him an alien,mutant etc. 
simply saying that we should not create his limitations  based on that.
#205 Posted by Sambobo (16 posts) - - Show Bio

Like the Bab said, I'm still skeptical.  

#206 Posted by Hadez (165 posts) - - Show Bio

hate the idea

#207 Posted by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio

LOVE IT
#208 Posted by bendis_is_a_wizard (2 posts) - - Show Bio
@Brickabrack: 
 
I too agree. Batman titles don't seem to have the same lure as they used to for me. I had hoped something interesting would happen after they killed Bruce and brought him back, but Batman Inc. seems lackluster. I wasn't too thrilled with the whole Return of Bruce Wayne titles either. I felt the whole time crisis angle was a little much in trying to manipulate events to mimic Bruce's life as Batman. With Batman Inc. villains will have a better target. 
 
Tony Stark was mentioned in comparison to this new move of associating Bruce with Batman Inc. I however immediately thought of when Spider-Man revealed his identity in Civil War. Spider-Man and Batman both have crazy villains who would do anything to destroy the hero and man under the mask. In Spider-Man time had to be reset because of the risk to his family. I don't think Batman fans could take another reset of the character if total exposure comes to pass. If not total exposure, how many people will connect the dots?
#209 Posted by MrDirector786 (43605 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it will be pretty good.

#210 Posted by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio
@bendis_is_a_wizard said:
" @Brickabrack:   I too agree. Batman titles don't seem to have the same lure as they used to for me. I had hoped something interesting would happen after they killed Bruce and brought him back, but Batman Inc. seems lackluster. I wasn't too thrilled with the whole Return of Bruce Wayne titles either. I felt the whole time crisis angle was a little much in trying to manipulate events to mimic Bruce's life as Batman. With Batman Inc. villains will have a better target.   Tony Stark was mentioned in comparison to this new move of associating Bruce with Batman Inc. I however immediately thought of when Spider-Man revealed his identity in Civil War. Spider-Man and Batman both have crazy villains who would do anything to destroy the hero and man under the mask. In Spider-Man time had to be reset because of the risk to his family. I don't think Batman fans could take another reset of the character if total exposure comes to pass. If not total exposure, how many people will connect the dots? "

The difference is that ALL villians who have the potential to pose a threat to him know his identity.and no unlike spiderman villians batman villians are not out to destroy bruce (some of course hold a grudge hush,dr hurt,hugo strange) but if his villians really wanted him dead they would have done it(deadshot INTENTIONALLY misfires against batman).and the people of DCU couldnt connect the dots when it came to superman and his glasses,dont take fiction too seriously,and return of bruce wayne was a masterpiece.
#211 Posted by ShirEPanjshir (588 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" @bendis_is_a_wizard said:
and the people of DCU couldnt connect the dots when it came to superman and his glasses. "
I always found that pretty funny. I mean, DCU has quite a few geniuses, and yet they can't seem to identify Clark Kent as Superman? Even though his only disguise are the glasses? I mean; Batman is nearly unrecognizable with the cape & cowl, the gravely voice, etc. But now, everyone's afraid that people will be able to identify Bruce Wayne as Batman due to Batman Inc ( which honestly seems like a reasonable fear ).
#212 Posted by fenixREVOLUTION (889 posts) - - Show Bio

I was all for the Incorporated angle, but was  caught off guard when he announced it to the public. Even Batman Inc #1 was great, but after reading Detective Comics Annual #13, I have to say, that if Bruce is going to be going around to government agencies around the world, and trying to sell Batman to them, I'm not a big fan of that. If this trend is staying just in this issue, that'd be fine, I just don't want to see it happening every month...or more than once a year...

#213 Posted by gotham-nudist (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Im buying the issues, but deep down, I dont feel good about the direction.  Batman inc? There should only be 1 batman and his central focus should only be Gotham(except for JL duties of course).   I always thought that gotham was batmans' city, and his city alone.  To me this new storyline seems to weaken batman.  He doesnt need any help! 

#214 Posted by timrothsays (653 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jnr6Lil said:
" Batman Inc has a mysterious plot behind it that people dont know ye.t Its more than just Batman forming a team. "
EXACTLY. 
I think after the end of his "second season" and his work on Batman, Grant will leave the toys where they were given to him
#215 Posted by ComaCalm (14 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate the cover with the flags. It looks rubbish...

#216 Posted by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComaCalm said:
"I hate the cover with the flags. It looks rubbish... "

never judge a book by its cover.
#217 Posted by VampireSelektor (749 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bruce Vain  
 
Judging from the first issue of Batman Inc., as well as various interviews, the intent behind the organization is to recruit experienced vigilantes from around the world.  
 
When police spot Batman lurking behind the bushes of a Boys & Girls club, I'll be the first to bemoan this new direction.
#218 Posted by Thowell3 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

I knew this would happen. I called it back when DC first killed Batman at the end of Final Crisis. So all this is me just shaking my head about this.

#219 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio

With this it's official Grant Morrison has butchered Bat-Man and you sycophantic fan boys/girls are too in love with the character (and appearing smart to his generally pretentious, pseudo intellectual following) to admit it. I reserved my judgment on his work on the title until it was all said and done, and well, it just wasn't good. And yeah spare me the "He's just too above your head crap." There's a difference between complex, cerebral storytelling and convoluted, needless inscrutability. Your boy Morrison more often than not walks in the realms of the latter.  
 
As far as this Inc. crap goes, I knew this was going to be a fail when Bruce announced he was funding bats...that's just asinine for a myriad of reasons. I'm not going to try to apply real world logic to this, I'm just gon' use the titles internal logic here. Why the hell was that necessary?! Answer it wasn't. He still could reach out to, train, supply other heroes without  making that announcement. I dig what G-Man's saying about people asking questions about their financial records, but umm no. Bruce's been using that money for YEARS without ever being discovered, folk. He knows how to move it and mask it's movements. Let's say on some off chance that somebody does figure out what's up, well no problem in that case either. As Luscious said in Dark Knight to dude that wanted to blackmail them "Good Luck". I've concluded that the only reason it was done was so Morrison can do something "shocking" (read bat-shit retarded).  
 
You know it's not the idea I'm so much against  as the, so far, sloppy execution. I mean a lot of this stuff has been out of character for Bruce. Exo suits? Stealing? Moving around in the day time? That dumb ass declaration?! I gave the Return/Inc #1 a shot and it's official I'm never reading another comic by Grant Morrison ever, ever, ever, again. I mean seriously, cat noises??? I swear he jerks it to silver age Batman comics. After sitting through his Batman run I've had enough of his bullshit for life. He's not as nearly as talented or gifted as he himself (being his own biggest fan) and his acolytes think him to be. He tends to get too lost in and enamored with his own ideas, forgetting that the rest of us who don't live in his acid induced delusion but in concrete reality have to read them. 
 
Batman Inc may as well be the death of Batman for me. I Quit Spider-Man and I'm damn near ready to perma-drop Batman. Thank God Zack Snyder and Nicieza know what their doing on Detective Comics and Red Robin respectively. Daniel has one more issue of Batman to wow me, or I drop it. I never thought I'd see the day when the man who wrote the masterpiece that is Arkham Asylum show this kind of disregard for the character and what makes him great.  

#220 Edited by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio
@JonesDeini said:

"With this it's official Grant Morrison has butchered Bat-Man and you sycophantic fan boys/girls are too in love with the character (and appearing smart to his generally pretentious, pseudo intellectual following) to admit it. I reserved my judgment on his work on the title until it was all said and done, and well, it just wasn't good. And yeah spare me the "He's just too above your head crap." There's a difference between complex, cerebral storytelling and convoluted, needless inscrutability. Your boy Morrison more often than not walks in the realms of the latter.   As far as this Inc. crap goes, I knew this was going to be a fail when Bruce announced he was funding bats...that's just asinine for a myriad of reasons. I'm not going to try to apply real world logic to this, I'm just gon' use the titles internal logic here. Why the hell was that necessary?! Answer it wasn't. He still could reach out to, train, supply other heroes without  making that announcement. I dig what G-Man's saying about people asking questions about their financial records, but umm no. Bruce's been using that money for YEARS without ever being discovered, folk. He knows how to move it and mask it's movements. Let's say on some off chance that somebody does figure out what's up, well no problem in that case either. As Luscious said in Dark Knight to dude that wanted to blackmail them "Good Luck". I've concluded that the only reason it was done was so Morrison can do something "shocking" (read bat-shit retarded).   You know it's not the idea I'm so much against  as the, so far, sloppy execution. I mean a lot of this stuff has been out of character for Bruce. Exo suits? Stealing? Moving around in the day time? That dumb ass declaration?! I gave the Return/Inc #1 a shot and it's official I'm never reading another comic by Grant Morrison ever, ever, ever, again. I mean seriously, cat noises??? I swear he jerks it to silver age Batman comics. After sitting through his Batman run I've had enough of his bullshit for life. He's not as nearly as talented or gifted as he himself (being his own biggest fan) and his acolytes think him to be. He tends to get too lost in and enamored with his own ideas, forgetting that the rest of us who don't live in his acid induced delusion but in concrete reality have to read them.  Batman Inc may as well be the death of Batman for me. I Quit Spider-Man and I'm damn near ready to perma-drop Batman. Thank God Zack Snyder and Nicieza know what their doing on Detective Comics and Red Robin respectively. Daniel has one more issue of Batman to wow me, or I drop it. I never thought I'd see the day when the man who wrote the masterpiece that is Arkham Asylum show this kind of disregard for the character and what makes him great.   "


Why do you keep attacking stuff you dont like ? and try to make it look like youre opinion is godly . batman has been ruined cause he uses some new tech??? ,just because frank miller says hes a realistic detective doesnt mean its true ,morrison is acknowledging the existence of batman before miller ,kane and finger didnt have any qualms about putting him against superpowered guys .Stop living in the 80's and stop trying to attack other people opinions and views (sychophantic i mean seriously) ,but then i should know better john stewart fans are all riled up cause their pathetic token character has been pushed aside.but then agains the only reason he became famous was due to the cartoon and the only reason why he and his girlfriend hawkgirl landed there was cause of pity (they wanted to created racial diversity and also add another female). 
and as for the INC crap failing ,check again loser the first book sold more than 95000 copies while batman:the return sold 99000 (the highest of november) while batman and robin 16 and return of bruce wayne were in 80000 range ,thanks to those crap books DC has 37% of the market share to marvels 38%, not too long ago marvel was around 50% ,youre not some batman expert who been reading him ever since he was created ,so keep your holy opinion to yourself.
#221 Posted by astrophunq (26 posts) - - Show Bio

The idea sounds cool, but as Sara says, what does this do for Bruce? It's great to see that Batman is evolving, but people are going to eventually figure him out. All the awesomeness about the character may fade out.

#222 Edited by The Impersonator (5551 posts) - - Show Bio

I like to see where this is going. Hopefully, Bruce Wayne does the right thing.

#223 Edited by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope after the world tour the whole two batmans thing will be over. dick goes back to being nightwing.

#224 Posted by Deadcool (6813 posts) - - Show Bio

#225 Posted by DaMacGuy (14 posts) - - Show Bio
@crowncoke: I hadn't thought of the implications with the JLA/JSA. Although if the whole Batman Inc thing falls apart most of these new Batmen could probably find a home in the JLA (er, International, er, whatever).
#226 Posted by inaragon (3 posts) - - Show Bio

I said this being argentinean: Gauchos does not existed for 200 years . 
 
Grant, you are one of the greatest writers in the histoy of comic-books but... What is this?  

#227 Posted by Suggs44 (567 posts) - - Show Bio

Thumbs way up for the "Cobra" movie poster.

#228 Posted by the referee (2533 posts) - - Show Bio

NO BATMAN DON'T DO IT

#229 Posted by Multiverse (278 posts) - - Show Bio

The most logical idea to me would be something like Justice, Inc. The Board of Directors could be the "big seven" main Justice League members. Something similar to Marvel's 50-State Initiative could then be launched to fight crime and save people from disasters all over the world.

#230 Posted by misterz173 (384 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Batman, Inc. Is a bad idea. And whats the deal with Stephanie Brown being sent to England? Will she still have her own title?

#231 Posted by Spellca2 (583 posts) - - Show Bio

The idea works. Batman never liked the Justice League...he never trusted them; they were his friends and he never trusted them. Why do you think he planned ways to bring them all down?  
 
Batman wants to fight crime, not with colorful suits and heat vision but with more Batmen. Using fear, the shadows and martials arts to bring down criminal threats. He is extending the Bat-Family workwide to fight crime worldwide as he would direct it and as he would take it out. Having a Justice League "Board of Directors" would slow him down and make his mission less practical.  
 
Let it play out, it is still in the recruitment stages. Let it develop and I am sure every Batman, DC fan will get what they paid for.
#232 Posted by Hairywolf25 (24 posts) - - Show Bio

It interests me but I'll reserve judgement

#233 Posted by thebluedragon07 (72 posts) - - Show Bio
@NXH: heh not to mention also, is that Batman is their personal character back in 1939 back when it was still just called Detective Comics.
#234 Posted by tobiasPUNK (120 posts) - - Show Bio

but batman has been around forever...everyone would know who he is and what he does, he's already a public figure. it would make it obvious that he's bruce wayne though.

#235 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't like that he came out and said he's Batman. I have a feeling, more like a hope, that he's doing it to call out Ra's Al Ghul or Vandal Savage or some immortal he got clues from his time traveling adventure that's really hurting the world.

#236 Posted by xfan1993 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

:)

#237 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3599 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @Bruce Vain said:
" The whole Batman Inc. idea is flat out dumb.  Like Sara said - Batman is about him being a shadowy , urban myth figure and now they're trying to  make him a public figure ? WTF is this crap ?   "
My thoughts exactly. "
I agree. I'm not sure if a Lantern Corps-type organization really fits the Batman mythos. 
#238 Posted by Mucklefluga (2586 posts) - - Show Bio

What are the hosts names?
#239 Posted by TheMilkywayDude (105 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool:  
   THIS IS HILARIOUS!
#240 Posted by Reaper_bat (45 posts) - - Show Bio

i don´t know i think its not such a great idea not the one about making a worlwide batman corp but to admit that he is sponcering batman, i mean it´s just a step to unmask the bat! and how is he going to find time to train the new bats?? is h going to leave the cape after is done?? i mean is making batmman all around the world!! and this would affect the villains, i don´t think the joker is going to like the idea of a lot off bats, and if he does its even worse it just gives him a lot of bats to kill, and he is so going after bruce wayne now!

#241 Posted by batflasharrow96 (445 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like this idea but it's something that will need to somehow end but it's gonna be something very difficult to do.

#242 Posted by ThanoStomp (792 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer the traditional Batman.  I don't even like it much when his sidekicks get involved much less a global org.

#243 Posted by Multiplus (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting concept. Bruce although, is risking everything.
#244 Posted by gotham-nudist (23 posts) - - Show Bio

the concept IMO is watering Batman down.  Global?  Really?  Isnt that why there are other superheroes?  And Im not liking the seond feature attractions ie: Ragman, the question.  Im paying for Batman and I want just Batman!  A couple months ago I bought a "streets of Gotham" issue and something like 10 pages were for Batman and 19 were for Ragman.

#245 Posted by entropy_aegis (15451 posts) - - Show Bio
@gotham-nudist said:
"the concept IMO is watering Batman down.  Global?  Really?  Isnt that why there are other superheroes?  And Im not liking the seond feature attractions ie: Ragman, the question.  Im paying for Batman and I want just Batman!  A couple months ago I bought a "streets of Gotham" issue and something like 10 pages were for Batman and 19 were for Ragman. "

You think batman busting global terrorist organizations and stealing equipment from sivana of all people is watering him down?i guess we have different definitions of watering down cause batman struggling against the likes of riddler and penguin is what's insulting. 
and the back up features are over,not to mention they were only in streets of gotham which has been on a hiatus for a while,you bought the wrong comic at the wrong time.
#246 Posted by cyberninja (10413 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not THAT bad. 

#247 Posted by sj_esposito (457 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Batman is best served as Bruce in Gotham. However, I like having Dick under the cowl and the best Batman stories right now are the ones being written with Dick as the main character. I don't really care for Batman, Inc., but I'm not totally against it. Or at least I wouldn't be if we got some story progression. The delays are killing my interest in this story big time, and I think Finch and Morrison are committing a huge fail here by making us wait so long between issues. That goes for Finch's Dark Knight. How are we supposed to care about Bruce and Batman, Inc. when we never get to read about them and we do get to read so many awesome stories about Dick?

#248 Posted by gotham-nudist (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I guess it will take some getting used too.  I agree with sEsposito and think Batman is best served as bruce in Gotham.  IMO the "global/batman inc" concept is nothing more than a way for DC to increase bat-titles for more story x-overs and thus more $$$ and I still think the concept is watering Batman down .  But if thats ur thing, I respect it, . I get tired of the delays as well.

#249 Posted by superzero93 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

it could work I mean eventually batman had to realise he could won his war on crime alone, and after getting his partners to take care of Gotham I think the next step was to create some kind of worldwide organisations to carry on the bat mantle when batman finally dies. 

#250 Posted by Blacklightning13 (916 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is a good idea and iron man should do a similar thing in  the marvel universe.

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