Is Batman better than Iron Man?

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#1 Edited by aerllyhong (12 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Batman better than Iron Man?

#2 Posted by russellmania77 (15699 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#3 Edited by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

Sexually?

#4 Edited by Jayc1324 (12939 posts) - - Show Bio

Well on a batman forum everyone will say yes. So yes he is. Batman is way more popular, had better movies, tv shows, video games, and sells more everything than iron man. The dark knight was listed as the 8th greatest movie of all time, and batman TAS was ranked as the 2nd animated series of all time. And batman arkham city was said to be the best superhero game ever.

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#5 Edited by CrouchingTiger (148 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on how you define "better"

#6 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Stark might be a better inventor than Wayne by a slight margin, but in every other way Wayne would be superior.

#7 Posted by RustyRoy (13360 posts) - - Show Bio

@durakken said:

Stark might be a better inventor than Wayne by a slight margin, but in every other way Wayne would be superior.

#8 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2384 posts) - - Show Bio

I enjoy Batman comics more than Iron Man if that's what you're asking

#9 Edited by Alexander505 (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

What you mean, better in what? In general, yes, Batman is better than Iron Man. Better like fighter, strategist, scientist, technology, intellect? Well, in this case, everyone have his opinion.

#10 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6362 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion Batman is far more interesting a character.

#11 Posted by Wolverine08 (44072 posts) - - Show Bio

If you mean whose the better character, I'd say they are both great characters.

#12 Posted by UltimateJonathan (107 posts) - - Show Bio

I always found Batman more interesting and badass than Iron Man.

#13 Posted by joshmightbe (24967 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Batman is slightly less of a douche.

#14 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

In what way?

I like both characters, but I much prefer Batman.

#15 Posted by Hawkguy (579 posts) - - Show Bio

One is full of himself, the other keeps to himself. I find Batman books more interesting and his interaction with the world more intriguing. He also has more interesting villains and allies.

#16 Posted by jjohnnyboy611 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Wayne is not smarter tha. Tony Stark but he is more versitile and diverse

#17 Edited by Night Thrasher (3700 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Batman more than Iron Man. However if by better you mean smarter, richer, more powerful...then no. Stark has Wayne beat in all three categories.

#18 Edited by The Stegman (25171 posts) - - Show Bio

In what capacity?

#19 Posted by Alexander505 (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

Stark isn't more smart than Bruce....

#20 Edited by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course he's better. Batman is one of the greatest fictional characters of all time.

Iron Man is dull, uninspired and pointless.

#21 Posted by Lvenger (20872 posts) - - Show Bio

From my personal preference, yes Batman is a better character than Iron Man.

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#22 Posted by Wolverine08 (44072 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by TDK_1997 (15009 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course.He is a better character and a more interesting one.

#24 Edited by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@night_thrasher said:

I like Batman more than Iron Man. However if by better you mean smarter, richer, more powerful...then no. Stark has Wayne beat in all three categories.

Stark is not smarter. Yes he's smart, but he simply doesn't have the breadth or depth of knowledge Bruce has. Stark has a greater knowledge in a few key areas that allows him to make the Iron Man suit and that is about it...if that. The major invention Stark has is his energy source. Bruce however likely could create similar if he really tried or perhaps has created similar and just the difference in power levels of the others around him causes it to appear not as good.

Stark is not richer than Wayne. That is a myth that people who don't actually know anything about the characters made up when comparing movies and doing so dumbly. Bruce literally owns something like 1 to 2 thirds of Gotham's land and finances a huge amount of businesses in Gotham. He also obviously has liquid assets in the 100s of millions just to finance Batman at the bare minimum and that still hasn't touched on Wayne Enterprises which is the only way place that Stark may even remotely compete against Bruce on. Wayne Enterprises vs Stark Industries... Depending on canon Stark Industries is near collapse or having major problems due to Stark doing this or that. Wayne Enterprises not only has a larger economy to work in, but they just more successful in a general sense due to being weapons manufacturers as well as medical and tech and banking and so many other things. In comparison to the real world Stark Industries is like Marvel and Wayne Enterprises is a like Time Warner. They're simply on different tiers.

I brought it up in a minor way earlier, but when people talk about Stark being a billionaire. They're talking about his net worth if all his assets were Liquidated... when you talk about Bruce Wayne being a billionaire they're talking about his current liquid assets and not his net worth. His Net Worth would have to be in the trillions simply due to owning so much of Gotham. Gotham is, mind you, a version of New York which is one of the most expensive places to own land in the real world. New York would cost 1.05 Trillion to buy. Bruce owns 30-60% of this which means that his net value is at least 315-630 billion. That number is the bare minimum Bruce has over Stark and everything else Stark can be compared and is quite easily seen to be of less worth than most of what Bruce has.

The reason Stark is thought to be richer is because we see him using the Iron Man suit which we tend to think is more expensive even though we know shrinking everything tends to make it better and generally speaking we dismiss the value of all the expendables that Batman uses, the tech embedded in the suits and the vehicles. I will say that on suit vs suit comparison the Iron Man suit is more expensive, but it is also more durable, and has less expendables and the suit probably costs only a 20-30% more than a Batsuit. Batsuits that I'd bet Bruce goes through far more of than Stark.

More Powerful... Politically more powerful... yes, though Bruce doesn't try to be... though I'd say that Oracle and Batman are superior to SHIELD in espionage and it could be argued that with a friend like Superman and WonderWoman and Aquaman and Green Lantern and... he's technically more powerful in that sense too considering he has pull with world leaders and global icons rather than 1 country and 2 degrees of separation from the president at the very least...

I do however have to say that some of the above does have to change if we consider Batman Beyond or Ultimate Marvel. Ultimate Marvel's Stark is friends with Cap. America who is president and is part of a cabal that controls something like 90% of the wealth of the world and Batman Beyond Bruce lost his company and for some reason has a hard time taking the company back over... the only explanation for this i can think of is either he doesn't have all the land he should own or he doesn't wish to sell it because he wants what's best for Gotham. Either way it denotes less wealth by a pretty huge margin... though simultaneously it does put a number on his wealth to some degree since Bruce bought back his entire company and it took all his money which if we apply that to all Batman canon it means his liquid assets are equal to Wayne Enterprises stock value which would have to be something on the level of Microsoft or Sony or something like that. It'd be like Bill gates running Microsoft into the ground, losing it, having it return to it's former value and then buying it back. If something like that happened it would blow just about everyone's mind because Bill Gates doesn't have 70 billion dollars without microsoft and if we're saying that Wayne Enterprises is about 2 times as big as Microsoft (to accommodate for DC's Earth) then that would mean Bruce has 140 billion in liquid assets, 140 billion in Wayne Enterprises, and 600 billion in Gotham land at the minimum which is just insane and impossible for Stark to compete with without Ultimate Marvel canon which is not the norm and I'm pretty sure that didn't last long, but i forget if he lost it or not yet.

#25 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6258 posts) - - Show Bio

^This

#26 Posted by Alexander505 (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

@durakken said:

@night_thrasher said:

I like Batman more than Iron Man. However if by better you mean smarter, richer, more powerful...then no. Stark has Wayne beat in all three categories.

Stark is not smarter. Yes he's smart, but he simply doesn't have the breadth or depth of knowledge Bruce has. Stark has a greater knowledge in a few key areas that allows him to make the Iron Man suit and that is about it...if that. The major invention Stark has is his energy source. Bruce however likely could create similar if he really tried or perhaps has created similar and just the difference in power levels of the others around him causes it to appear not as good.

Stark is not richer than Wayne. That is a myth that people who don't actually know anything about the characters made up when comparing movies and doing so dumbly. Bruce literally owns something like 1 to 2 thirds of Gotham's land and finances a huge amount of businesses in Gotham. He also obviously has liquid assets in the 100s of millions just to finance Batman at the bare minimum and that still hasn't touched on Wayne Enterprises which is the only way place that Stark may even remotely compete against Bruce on. Wayne Enterprises vs Stark Industries... Depending on canon Stark Industries is near collapse or having major problems due to Stark doing this or that. Wayne Enterprises not only has a larger economy to work in, but they just more successful in a general sense due to being weapons manufacturers as well as medical and tech and banking and so many other things. In comparison to the real world Stark Industries is like Marvel and Wayne Enterprises is a like Time Warner. They're simply on different tiers.

I brought it up in a minor way earlier, but when people talk about Stark being a billionaire. They're talking about his net worth if all his assets were Liquidated... when you talk about Bruce Wayne being a billionaire they're talking about his current liquid assets and not his net worth. His Net Worth would have to be in the trillions simply due to owning so much of Gotham. Gotham is, mind you, a version of New York which is one of the most expensive places to own land in the real world. New York would cost 1.05 Trillion to buy. Bruce owns 30-60% of this which means that his net value is at least 315-630 billion. That number is the bare minimum Bruce has over Stark and everything else Stark can be compared and is quite easily seen to be of less worth than most of what Bruce has.

The reason Stark is thought to be richer is because we see him using the Iron Man suit which we tend to think is more expensive even though we know shrinking everything tends to make it better and generally speaking we dismiss the value of all the expendables that Batman uses, the tech embedded in the suits and the vehicles. I will say that on suit vs suit comparison the Iron Man suit is more expensive, but it is also more durable, and has less expendables and the suit probably costs only a 20-30% more than a Batsuit. Batsuits that I'd bet Bruce goes through far more of than Stark.

More Powerful... Politically more powerful... yes, though Bruce doesn't try to be... though I'd say that Oracle and Batman are superior to SHIELD in espionage and it could be argued that with a friend like Superman and WonderWoman and Aquaman and Green Lantern and... he's technically more powerful in that sense too considering he has pull with world leaders and global icons rather than 1 country and 2 degrees of separation from the president at the very least...

I do however have to say that some of the above does have to change if we consider Batman Beyond or Ultimate Marvel. Ultimate Marvel's Stark is friends with Cap. America who is president and is part of a cabal that controls something like 90% of the wealth of the world and Batman Beyond Bruce lost his company and for some reason has a hard time taking the company back over... the only explanation for this i can think of is either he doesn't have all the land he should own or he doesn't wish to sell it because he wants what's best for Gotham. Either way it denotes less wealth by a pretty huge margin... though simultaneously it does put a number on his wealth to some degree since Bruce bought back his entire company and it took all his money which if we apply that to all Batman canon it means his liquid assets are equal to Wayne Enterprises stock value which would have to be something on the level of Microsoft or Sony or something like that. It'd be like Bill gates running Microsoft into the ground, losing it, having it return to it's former value and then buying it back. If something like that happened it would blow just about everyone's mind because Bill Gates doesn't have 70 billion dollars without microsoft and if we're saying that Wayne Enterprises is about 2 times as big as Microsoft (to accommodate for DC's Earth) then that would mean Bruce has 140 billion in liquid assets, 140 billion in Wayne Enterprises, and 600 billion in Gotham land at the minimum which is just insane and impossible for Stark to compete with without Ultimate Marvel canon which is not the norm and I'm pretty sure that didn't last long, but i forget if he lost it or not yet.

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Excellent explanation. Bravo.

#27 Posted by EnigmaLantern (763 posts) - - Show Bio

There probably isn't much else to add after what @durakken wrote..

#28 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@enigmalantern said:

There probably isn't much else to add after what @durakken wrote..

Sure there is... We can talk about how Bruce is mentally healthier, physically healthier, has better teams, has better suits, has more skills, has better friends, has children, has better stories, has better parents, generally dates better women, has more style, has more class, has a better butler, has better enemies, and hasn't caused a war between super heroes...

Granted Batman also caused Brother EYE and in some futures fought a war against the government...however it wasn't "really" his fault and he dealt with Borther EYE and the government was corrupt where as Stark supports corrupt and useless governments...

Also technically Stark isn't a comparison of non-powered vs non-powered because Stark in the regular canon is nanite infused which qualifies as a power. Granted I don't know much about regular Marvel, but I do know that he's had that and I'm pretty sure he still has it. And in Ultimate Marvel he's a genetically altered so that every cell is part of his neural net and can regen...not to mention having a sentient tumor which makes him a technopath...again, qualifies as a power.

#29 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2246 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is better

#30 Edited by consolemaster001 (5899 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#31 Edited by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup

#32 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm tempted to try to defeat all my points now and argue that Stark is better... I don't think I could...

#33 Edited by Alexander505 (2172 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe the only thing when Stark is a little superior at Bruce, is in the mechanic engineering..

#34 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505 said:

Maybe the only thing when Stark is a little superior at Bruce, is in the mechanic engineering..

The problem there is you got to compare Gotham City, Wayne Towers, the Bat Cave, The Insider Suit, etc to Stark Towers and the Iron Man suit and again the only thing that really gives Stark the edge is the power core which doesn't really match the Insider Suit.

#35 Posted by PowerHerc (85113 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Batman is better than Iron Man.

Iron Man has been an A-hole ever since the Civil War.

#36 Posted by Guerraa (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is so superior to iron that it's not fair to even compare. It's like comparing a AA baseball team to the Yankees. It's not even the same league. Compare iron to heroes that are on his level to make it more fair to him. The ONLY heroes you could put on Batman's level are Superman and Spiderman. They are the big three of Super Heroes, and no one else is in their league.

#37 Posted by GodDamnIronMan (1553 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion Batman is far more interesting a character.

How is the character more interesting? the character is far too unrealistic too be in real life....master in all sorts of martial art, expert in all sciences...and remain a handsome dude full of hairs?

you realise Stan Lee can write Stark to be smarter and more exaggerating right? But instead, he chosen to gives him more flaws like Drink problem, womanizer and narcissistic. The process that driven him to be a "Hero" is more appealing than any other Superhero.

#38 Posted by RulerOfThisUniverse (6362 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: Hmm, what's more realistic? A master of martial arts or a guy who made a flying robotic suit with built in flamethrowers and lazers out of scrap parts in the middle of the desert (or jungle)? Which of those two is more likely to exist in real life?

As for your second point, that honestly doesn't mean anything. Bob Kane could have created Batman to be smarter, too. And it honestly doesn't matter which character is more realistic, either, because that's not what I'm talking about at all. I said that in my opinion, Batman is a far more interesting character. If you think that a billionaire narcissistic womanizer with a drinking problem who can build a flying, flame throwing, robotic suit in the middle of the desert is more realistic than a billionaire martial artist and that that somehow makes him the more interesting character, I honestly have no idea what to say.

#39 Posted by batmannflash (6226 posts) - - Show Bio

@goddamnironman: Hmm, what's more realistic? A master of martial arts or a guy who made a flying robotic suit with built in flamethrowers and lazers out of scrap parts in the middle of the desert (or jungle)? Which of those two is more likely to exist in real life?

As for your second point, that honestly doesn't mean anything. Bob Kane could have created Batman to be smarter, too. And it honestly doesn't matter which character is more realistic, either, because that's not what I'm talking about at all. I said that in my opinion, Batman is a far more interesting character. If you think that a billionaire narcissistic womanizer with a drinking problem who can build a flying, flame throwing, robotic suit in the middle of the desert is more realistic than a billionaire martial artist and that that somehow makes him the more interesting character, I honestly have no idea what to say.

mhm. And Batman encounters tons of flaws like Iron Man. He has made terrible decisions in the past and is far from the perfect human. He can be ignorant, arrogant, and so on. Batman encounters more problems, has a much bigger supporting cast, better villains (most of Iron Man's villains are people in suits like him), and is more realistic than Iron Man.

#40 Edited by Doctorholmes241 (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@durakken said:

Stark might be a better inventor than Wayne by a slight margin, but in every other way Wayne would be superior.

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This

#41 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6258 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#42 Posted by Zijuun (854 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Batman better than Iron Man?

In what sense?

Z I J U U N

#43 Edited by SirNickTheEpic (591 posts) - - Show Bio

oh god no batman is nothing to iron man

#44 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (11602 posts) - - Show Bio
Any person that say Ironman is better that Batman has to face my anger
Even Ironamn loves Batman, he hates himself but loves Batman

I mean Ironman failed at getting some action with Black Widow, he go action with Jane Foster and Lois Lane too.

#45 Posted by The_Tree (7773 posts) - - Show Bio

In every way.

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#46 Posted by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2246 posts) - - Show Bio
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#48 Posted by JetiiMitra (8731 posts) - - Show Bio

No

#49 Edited by dagmar_merrill (9672 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup.

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#50 Posted by youmessinwithme (1194 posts) - - Show Bio

No....

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