@DeathpooltheT1000: Yeah you know....

Lets take a 10 year old child and teach him how to fight.

Lets take a 20 year old teen and teach him how to fight.

Lets have these kids on the same age now and lets say they battle together.Who do you think is going to win?

Obviously the 10 year old boy,who would have much more years of expierience and he would be a lot more comfortable with fights.

@Maxwolfe: He didnt corrupt Jason.His anger drove him to his death and then corruption.

Have you checked the recent Robin and Batgirl suits?They look awesome by the way.

The question this topic is trying to answer is not whether it was the right thing to employ a Robin, but whether Batman is a good father. A good father simply does not put their child in obvious life or death scenarios night after night. Regardless of how amazing their training is, or how much good they end up doing, Batman is a poor father in regards to the acceptable amount of danger he allows his "children" to undertake. If you read an article online about a parent that needlessly endangers their child, even in a mundane way, people would be up in arms about how child services should take them away for the betterment of that child's life. Now imagine reading online about a man who adopts children and then sends them onto the streets to fight hardened criminals with guns using only karate and boomerang like objects. Ya, that guy is never going to be considered a good parent

Is Darkseid a hero in any universe? You get the same answer...

In all honesty he just seems to suck with his own child, he was a good father to Dick and Tim

@Stronger: I am the only one that find creppy the idea of children sidekicks?

Teach them as kids, make sense, what dont makes any sense is to send them into a war with crime.

@DeathpooltheT1000 said:

@Stronger: I am the only one that find creppy the idea of children sidekicks?

Teach them as kids, make sense, what dont makes any sense is to send them into a war with crime.

Man if he taught them as kids,today Robin,Nightwing,Batgirl and so many other cool characters wouldnt exist.

Is Batman a good father?

I'd give him a 'pass-grade' for Dick...but with the others...please ask Yao Ming on the left

@sinestro_GL said:

Is Batman a good father?

I'd give him a 'pass-grade' for Dick...but with the others...please ask Yao Ming on the left

I Cornette Face your comment.

You see, i am a throll too...., well not really.

You guys aren't thinking big enough. I say he is a good Father. Why you ask? One he took Dick in and gave him hope when he lost his parents (he cared enough because it happened to him). Two he tried to help Jason the best he could. And he felt extremely hurt with his death. Tim is pretty self explanatory. I'm not sure about Cassi. Damian is hard. But in a way Batman is trying to help Damian. Damian becomes a better character in the comics. That would be from Bruce's side not Talia's. Look how good of a character all of them became and grown up into. (Exception of Jason but Bruce tried his best)

not the best...

Last hero/superhero who i see that can be someone father is Batman...

Nope

whats a good dad?

he educated/trained/inspired his children and all went on to be a success with love in their lives.

like all families your just apart of a small cult

What's wrong with you people? It's not like Batman forced any of these kids to wear tights, one way or another they were all going to end up on a similar path or even worse, but Bruce gave them a purpose as well as some crazy skills.

1- Dick Grayson. After his parents death, Bruce adopted him, however, he could never stay still, and would go out at night trying to find his parents killer. Bruce tried to warn him as both Bruce Wayne and Batman to stop but he wouldn't listen. Dick almost got killed trying to catch Zucco before Batman saved him. Bruce then realized that Dick has potential but he lacks skills, and since he going to go out and put himself in danger anyway, Bruce gave him the skills necessary to defend himself. In the recent Detective Comics #27, in a what if story where Bruce never becomes Batman, Dick ends up killing Zucco, and ends getting arrested and executed because of it. So yeah, Bruce saved Dick by making him Robin.

2- Jason Todd. Was a petty crook who would constantly get himself into trouble. One way or another he was eventually going to get himself killed. Bruce decides to give the kid a purpose, trains him and gives him a home instead of living on the streets. Bruce's mistake however, was thinking that Jason was like Dick. Unlike Grayson, Jason was impulsive, reckless and full of rage, and that's what go him killed.

3- Tim Drake. People seem to forget that it was Tim who barged into Bruce's life, and he was the one who took the decision to become Robin, despite Bruce's protests. After Jason, Bruce never wanted another Robin, but Tim, Dick and Alfred's insistence made him give the kid a shot, but even then he was extremely cautious. But in the end, Tim grew on Batman and impressed him, and so, Batman allowed him to continue as Robin.

4- Damien Wayne. first of all, Damian was screwed up way before he met his father, Talia destroyed his childhood, and forced him to be an assassin before he was even 10. As far as Batman was concerned, with the skills he had, Damien only had two paths, either be an assassin for the league or be a heroic vigilante. Batman saved Damien from the path of the league, because there was no way he was going to have a normal childhood after what Talia did to him. A lot of this is addressed in the story called Born To Kill. Yes they had their differences, but Batman's way proved to be Damien's salvation.

Considering what he had to work with, Batman did a pretty darn strong job with these kids.

If he left Dick alone he would have been a murderer and be executed. If he left Jason alone, he would have been just another crook on the streets who would eventually end up in jail or worse. Tim barged into Bruce's life and forced his hand, and even if Bruce never accepted Tim as Robin, Tim was so stubborn he would have followed bruce so far he would have ended up getting himself killed. And Damien would have probably become the leader of the league of assassins.

So enough with this though that Batman is just a crazy psycopath who forced kids to wear tights. Also, it should be noted, the "classic underwear" look for Robin was designed by Dick, Dick made his own costume so you can't blame Bats for that one.

@stronger: Tim's father was muurdered because Tim was Robin. If Tim had never become Robin then Jean Loring would never had sent Capt Boomerang his way. Jean was targeting the JL's loved ones so that Atom would worry for her safety and they would fall in love again.

@stronger: life has no meaning other than what each person chooses to give it. Just because they choose to be happy and live normal lives doesn't mean they have no meaning. That's like saying that the vast majority of people lives are worthless. Quite frankly, it's a horrible thing to say.

@kasino: Yea he's a great dad....

i actually think it was better that batman had them help with crimefighting for 1 it allowed him to keep an eye on them in stead of them potentially getting taken out if either they snuck out while alfred was not watching or if one of batmans many villians would have attack wayne manor while batman was facing a differnt villian. 2 the only better way would have trained them and refused to take them but then who is to say they would not have gone alone putting them selves in bigger danger

we cant use what we think a good parent is in our world cause anyone living in gotham with kids is daily putting them in danger

Bruce is an okay father. On one side he let his sons go out and fight murderers and homicidal lunatics but on the bright side, he did help jason and dick overcome things in their lives and led them down a good path than the dark path they were heading for.

@anjales:

Impressive.

Dick was in the first years of his career at least as disobedient and reckless as Jason (maybe even more). He only survived because Batman arrived always in time to save him. And I doubt that Dick would have acted differently in "Death in the Family".

The only difference between the two was Jasons brutality and that he did not believe in the "no killing rule". But in some versions of his origin story Dick causes the death of the murderer of his parents and we don't know what had happened in "the Diplomats Son" if Dick or Tim had been Robin at this time.

@aahz:

The death of tony zucco was accidental. Zucco was paranoid that Batman was coming for him to kill him, because at the time, Batman was on a mission to avenge the Graysons deaths. Zucco was also suffering from bad health problems. One night, dick snuck out looking for Zucco and Batman was on his trail, Zucco was frightened by Dick suddenly appearing then he saw Batman and had a hard attack.

Reckless and disobedient is a trait that all the robins have shared at one point. The difference, once dick was given proper training, and after Zucco's death, he was no longer angry, he became cheerful and actually enjoyed being Robin. The same for Tim. Jason on the other hand, used being a Robin as a way to vent out his anger, and he would often take unnecessary risks, and Batman at one point thought Jason had a death wish. Bruce has acknowledge several times that Jason was never as graceful and temperate as Dick. Damien and Stephanie died because they were also disobedient. Damien was killed after sneaking against his father's wishes to fight Levaiathan, and ended up getting killed by Heretic, while Stephanie, despite Bruce having fired her, still tried to take down Black Mask and was tortured to death.

@anjales:

My point is exactly that Jason wasn't the only disobedient and reckless Robin. With exception of Tim they were all like that.

For example in "Robin:Year One" Dick is nearly killed be Two-Face because he was disobedient, is fired by Bruce because of it, runs away and joins a assassin-academy.

By the way Jason was before "the Diplomats Son" also very cheerful.

@aahz: So basically we're agreeing that Batman is a good father, it's the robins (with the exception of Tim) that are screwed up right? :P

I think I read a New 52 comic where Dick grew up and died without Batman. Jason was fine without Batman in Flashpoint.

@anjales: Maybe he should have learned that grounding or firing Robins not a good idea.

@aahz: To be fair, when he fired Dick, he became Nightwing, he became head and shoulders above Robin.

@anjales: But when he was grounded/fired the first time in Robin: Year One it didn't went that well. And when Dick was finally fired and became Nightwing their relationship was destroyed for years. (And by the way in the original pre-crisis version ha wasn't fired.)

Jason, Steph and Damian were all killed after being grounded/fired. After Years of working with teenage Sidekicks he should be able to handle it in a better way.

This.

But he did put them through some pretty expensive education thou...

@aahz: How can a guy handle a group of kids who constantly go out and risk their lives. Considering what he had to work with, he did a fine job. But at the end of the day, their suffering is their own doing. He fired them for their own good, because they almost got themselves killed at some point. If training them and making them Robin is a bad idea, and forcing them to stop being Robin is also a bad idea, then what is the guy supposed to do? He never wanted any of them to be Robin in the first place, but they all forced his hand, and when he tried to stop them, they ended up hurting themselves more. He gave them a good education, a fancy home, a faithful butler to tend to their needs and some crazy skills, but all of that still wasn't enough. Honestly, these kids are on a path of destruction either way, but at least he gave them a purpose and a set of skills. The Robins are all screwed up each in their own way (Dick lost his parents, Jason was a street punk, Steph's dad was a villain, Damian was born into the league, Tim was obsessed with Batman & Robin), there was no way to truly put these kids out of harm's way. How can he "handle it in a better way"? Lock them in the Bat-Cave? He sorta tried that with Damien and it still didn't work.

And I wouldn't say Batman and Nightwing's relationship was destroyed for years, yeah it was strained at some points, but eventually it got fixed, and arguably better than it ever was when Dick was Robin. At least Bruce started to trust him more and treat him like an adult.

In Damian's words, "Mother may have given me life, but you taught me how to live."

Yes, I would say he is a darn good father.

I cant believe you fail to notice there was other ways to help this kids.

Batman is a brilliant father the robins chose their path they chose to follow him as robin the fact he gets blamed for everything they do is horrible one version of dick Grayson going Batman to be a better father than his own Jason had anger problems but was otherwise on track till joker killed him and Tim never knew his dad so Bruce was his father in a way an he turned Damien from a killing machine into a hero he doesn't want kids going through what he did Bruce didn't want dick going after zucco by himself an he saved Jason from thieving to having a father that loves him ultimately it isn't fair to pin his death on Bruce just because he created joker in a freak accident he's a nice loving man on the inside and only shows it to his robins an other bat family alike

Why is Batman a father to begin with?

A good father doesn't let their kids fight crazed criminals. Or let them wear shit like this out in public:

Literally every son of his died at least once, and he constantly endangers them. No

I also don't even remember posting this years ago or where this quote is from lol

Lol. Now I want to know this as well..:p

@eto: Think it's from the Batman and Robin New 52 issue after Damian died, in a letter Damian wrote to Bruce

@jayc1324: thanks bro.

Damien is still alive in the movies and is a Teen Titan also Bruce can be my dad any day he's a tortured soul who treats each robin as his own son he's truly a Dark Knight an he's the reason Dick became Nightwing an the reason Mr Freeze is more of a anti hero now than a super villian Victor said himself if I had a son I would want him to be like yours and Ra's Alghoul said to Batman in under the red hood that Batman was Jason's true father an that he needs to find his son