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    Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.

    Intro: Dissecting Batman R.I.P

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    Now that Battle For the Cowl has ensued,...

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    It seems that the question of whatever happened to Bruce Wayne has become seemingly absent from the minds of comic book readers. However, might I simply say that now, more than ever, is the perfect time to read Batman R.I.P.

    Over the course of the past two days I have to say I am quite tired. I never really imagined that  a comicbook would have the capability of driving a person mad, but it did just that (well, almost). After reading Batman R.I.P., reading the finale to Final Crisis and going back and searching for clues over the course of the last two days; I can safely say my brain is fried, my hair matted, and my eyes have deep set circles beneath them. (I know, lovely image.) And although I may not have the answers to all the questions that arose throughout my reading of what might be the last story of Bruce Wayne for a long time; I can safely say I have come up with about five different scenerios, and I still feel compelled to say it is still one of the greatest Batman stories ever written.

    How can a story that doesn't seem to make much sense, be considered one of the best Batman tales ever?


    If it seemed like mumbo-jumbo to you, then you didn't read the story correctly. If you thought or expected the physical death of Batman throughout the comic, then you need to read it again.
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    Before you start reading, you need to ask yourself, how do you kill Batman? I mean really, get rid of Batman. The mantle, is not a title, nor a legacy. Batman was the solution a broken boy who possibly never dealt with his parent's death conjured up. I mean, isn't that the basic fact here? There will not be another Batman. I know, I know what you're thinking; Battle For The Cowl, right? Well, I don't think I see it that way, at all actually. Batman isn't a role someone else can just pick up: Batman is Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne is Batman: no matter what happens there will never be another. For example: The Flash did not choose to be the Flash, it chose him. Same with the Green Lantern's. But "Batman" was the psycological solution for Bruce Wayne. Bruce crafted the image and ideology of Batman on his own; there will never be another because it isn't about running around in a Bat-suit. It's much deeper than that.

    A word of advice, from one comicbook reader to another...


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    Don't go into this story thinking there will be a clear ending; there won't be. In fact, you will go crazy trying to conjure up all the different possible scenerios and "what if's;" but that's half the fun. Morrison will drive you crazy chasing down leads that lead you to a dead end. Having a story that has no clear cut resolution. But not only is that half the fun of reading this story arc; it is what Batman is all about. He is the world's greatest detective, and by the time you are through with the story, you will have become the world's greatest comic book reader. There is a sheer brilliance in Morrisons work in that he goes to lengths to dig up aspects of Batman's history and give them new meaning; shed light on possibilites that you may never have imagined. It is brilliant, but it is for the reader that isn't afraid to get deep and muddy in the mind of Batman.

    Morrison kills Batman in this way: He take's him down, and builds him back up- from the ground up. He reconstructs Batman before your eyes and you will watch as the caped crusader slowly declines into insanity and rises back up from the ashes.

    Before you read, keep in mind...


    • Organization is key. Every issue is valuable. I did not read the branch off series connected to this story, and I don't recommend that you do either because they really aren't necessary. They are separate stories and are not needed to understanding "BATMAN R.I.P." (i.e: Nightwing R.I.P., Robin R.I.P., Batman Detective R.I.P., etc. All are fine stories in their own right, but are not necessary for the main storyline.
    • Get yourself a notebook and a pen. Write things down. It'll help, a LOT.
    • If you find yourself reading into images and clues and begin thinking you are going crazy; you aren't. You're on the right path (or one of them anyway). There is symbolism in the words Morrison chooses to tell the story, as well as the images in the pictures so brilliantly depicted by Tony Daniel. For example, the COLORS MEAN SOMETHING!  ;)
    • Keep in mind, that this is supposed to be the most diabolical end result to occur in 70 years! HOWEVER it is left completely up to your interpretation.
    • Start before R.I.P. Trust me.

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    Okay, well I guess that is it! I will be splitting up the theories probably in two videos and I will try and articulate some of the ideas I put in motion onto the screen, meaning you'll have your own Black Casebook written by yours truly to go along with the videos. If you guys aren't crazy about it, then I won't continue, as it IS a lot of work. There are tons of pieces to put together! But, the honest reason I am doing this is because it seemed (at least to me) that a lot of people (including myself,) were left so confused with this story. Maybe that's why it didn't obtain the discussion it should have! All in all, t was a good one and deserves a little spotlight.

    I'll probably split it between issues
    Batman #'s 664-675
    Batman R.I.P. #'s 676-681 and touching briefly on Last Rites and his "death" in Final Crisis #6.

    This is speculation. The whole purpose of this arc was to make you think and do some detective work. I'll try my best to work through some possible scenerios and hopefully do this great piece some justice. So hold on tight, we're gonna go for a crazy ride.

    -B

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    this blog looks so amazing...if only I had an interest in Batman D:

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    #2  Edited By No_Name_

    Maybe by the end of it, you will :D

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    #3  Edited By Nightwolf3

    This is really cool babs =] ill be sure to tune in

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    #4  Edited By Peterobe

    Love this. I read RIP and could not leave it - I read it cover to cover without taking much of a breath (oh I did grab a coffee I think). I have to agree though it was a tiring experience, but one I know I want to do again - there is much in this story that requires more than one read - and Babs great point on the clues - I love that - especially as Batman is a detective - a point often forgotten. I look forward to your diary on this Babs!

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    #5  Edited By No_Name_

    Thanks guys, I appreciate the support. Hope you enjoy the trip!

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    #6  Edited By pixelized

    I LOVE YOUR DOLCE'S!!!!!!!!

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    #7  Edited By Detective

    good post

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    #8  Edited By marcusdesade

    Great Blog.  iI have re-read the whole saga i love it, its so rich with symblism it givs the book somthing extra and i really like the last part. I did suss out jeezible jet far to good to be true. You see Grant de-constuct batman before your eyes and re-build him.  Only Problem for me being on the other side of the pond no one to discuss theorys with and found in dififficult to have  a chat about the story line cause no one i know had read it. Still a great read and cant wait for Batman And Robin.

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    #9  Edited By Dr. Maxwell

    I loved the ARc, I read some of Morrisons work after I had read RIP and it made more sense. Great blog Babs

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    #10  Edited By Erik

    Babs, I cannot wait to hear your theories. It is easy to see that you are doing your homework.

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    #11  Edited By Nighthunter

    Nice blog babs

    umm I didn't find R.I.P that hard to understand, does that mean I'm a genius? :D

    :P

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    I have a few theories myself, I'll wait to see what you come up with before I talk about them though.

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    #13  Edited By No_Name_

    Thank you.

    Well, perhaps if you understood it, you can help me go through the possible scenerios? (i.e. possibilites of who and what character carries the true identity of Dr.Hurt, since that is yet to have been revealed?)

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    #14  Edited By No_Name_
    Gambler said:
    "And so it begins. Great start babe. Let the conspiracy theories start flying.
    "
    Thanks! :D
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    BatgirlBabs said:
    "Thank you.

    Well, perhaps if you understood it, you can help me go through the possible scenerios? (i.e. possibilites of who and what character carries the true identity of Dr.Hurt, since that is yet to have been revealed?)
    "
    Hmmm
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    #16  Edited By No_Name_
    TheDrifter said:
    "BatgirlBabs said:
    "Thank you.

    Well, perhaps if you understood it, you can help me go through the possible scenerios? (i.e. possibilites of who and what character carries the true identity of Dr.Hurt, since that is yet to have been revealed?)
    "
    Hmmm
    "
    Yes?
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    BatgirlBabs said:

    • Start before R.I.P. Trust me.


    "
    I don't think I read before RIP.

    Where should I start? I'm probably gonna re-read it.
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    #18  Edited By Nighthunter
    Not a theory but just a quite clear and sweet reference that I thought was worth mention

    something familiar?

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    Something familiar? :P

    And loved the differences of the tie-ins of Nightwing and the main story of R.I.P and how both heroes take this experience differently

    I thought this was very interesting for its parallel to Batman RIP. Basically, the same sort of mind games are being played on both Bruce and Dick -- albeit more intensely with Bruce -- but the difference in how each character handles it is rather profound.

    The level of assault on Bruce is much higher, of course, between the implication of his father being involved to the presence of the Joker -- a much more dangerous presence than Two-Face -- and the hazard to (and from) a love interest, as opposed to the relative stranger that is Carol.

    Nevertheless, I think the *type* of assault is very similar, and the contrast in their responses is probably deliberate -- Dick is a centered, healthy individual, and Bruce is not. Bruce is heading for a downfall while Dick will likely emerge from this experience stronger.
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    #19  Edited By No_Name_

    That's what the videos are gonna be for... >.>

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    #20  Edited By Nighthunter
    TheDrifter said:
    "BatgirlBabs said:

    • Start before R.I.P. Trust me.


    "
    I don't think I read before RIP.

    Where should I start? I'm probably gonna re-read it.
    "
    the beginning of Morrison's run
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    #21  Edited By No_Name_

    @ Nighthunter: That's only the tip of the iceburg.

    I was hoping you would wait till I made the videos and stuff but hey man, its cool :P

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    #22  Edited By Nighthunter
    BatgirlBabs said:
    "That's what the videos are gonna be for... >.>
    "
    sorry :P
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    BatgirlBabs said:
    "That's what the videos are gonna be for... >.>
    "
    <.<
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    Nighthunter said:
    "TheDrifter said:
    "BatgirlBabs said:

    • Start before R.I.P. Trust me.


    "
    I don't think I read before RIP.

    Where should I start? I'm probably gonna re-read it.
    "
    the beginning of Morrison's run
    "
    Ahhhhh, Gotcha.
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    #25  Edited By Nighthunter
    BatgirlBabs said:
    "@ Nighthunter: That's only the tip of the iceburg.

    I was hoping you would wait till I made the videos and stuff but hey man, its cool :P
    "
    will you be putting the "Satan may be the one behind things" theory?
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    #26  Edited By No_Name_

    That's really only one of many different possible theories. So yes, I will touch on it.

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    #27  Edited By Nighthunter

    well here's a couple of things I put a few months ago for that theory in case you need it

    Is the villain behind Batman R.I.P the devil himself?


    Exhibit a:

    Morrison stated that the villain behind this was the greatest mastermind and manipulator Batman would ever encounter. Who is better for the role than Satan himself?

    Exhibit b:

    The "red and black" that is so often mentioned during the storyline are often associated with the devil, as he is often drawn with them as the main colors.

    Exhibit C:

    Batman #666 nuff said...

    Exhibit D:

    Morrison already established Satan in one Batman story way back in "Batman: Gothic"

    Exhibit E:

    The third other batmen claimed to be the anti-christ and he works for Hurt

    Exhibit F:

    "I guess the old dragon [in reference to Satan] forgot to mention the bargain he made with me when I was fourteen--Gotham's survival…in return for my soul!"-Damian Wayne

    maybe it's more than just a saying....

    Exhibit G:

    "I can't believe that they haven't figured out who the villain is! Is someone that everyone in the world knows of!"-Grant Morrison
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    #28  Edited By The_Ghostshell

    Did you get that from CBR :P

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    #29  Edited By Nighthunter

    nope, why?

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    #30  Edited By No_Name_

    Thank you, maybe you can use that in your debate against my theory :P I think Satan is symbolic, not literal. And 666 is the only aspect of the storyline that is out of continuity. It hasn't happened. I'll play devil's advocate here: Think of a man who carries the name of the devil, but he himself is not Satan...

    I think once you see what I came up with, you will disagree completely

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    I found somewhere Grant saying everything in Batman RIP is tied to what he started in 52.

    Damnit

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    #32  Edited By Nighthunter
    BatgirlBabs said:
    "Thank you, maybe you can use that in your debate against my theory :P I think Satan is symbolic, not literal. And 666 is the only aspect of the storyline that is out of continuity. It hasn't happened. I'll play devil's advocate here: Think of a man who carries the name of the devil, but he himself is not Satan...

    I think once you see what I came up with, you will disagree completely

    "
    hmm we kinda always agree so...

    :P

    TheDrifter said:
    "I found somewhere Grant saying everything in Batman RIP is tied to what he started in 52.

    Damnit
    "
    it was a single issue, even so read 52, it's awesome

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    Oooh, okay.

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    Oooh, okay.

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    #35  Edited By inferiorego  Staff

    Nice work Babs, I've gotten sick of the nay-sayers to this book because the plot isn't laid out in front of them. This was an amazing read and is one of my favorite Batman stories.

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    Nighthunter said:

    Exhibit C:

    Batman #666 nuff said...

    There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
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    Nighthunter said:

    Exhibit C:

    Batman #666 nuff said...

    There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
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    #38  Edited By The_Ghostshell
    TheDrifter said:
    " There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
    "
    There is?
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    Gambler said:
    "TheDrifter said:
    " There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
    "
    There is?
    "








    I don't know them by name but, yeah. Count em'.
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    #40  Edited By The_Ghostshell

    That's not the Black Glove.

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    It's in their gallery on CV.

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    #42  Edited By The_Ghostshell

    I know, and its wrong. Read the captions.


    No Caption Provided


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    Ahhhhhhhhh, My bad.

    I'm re-reading it at the moment, taking some notes I'll then PM to Babs.

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    #44  Edited By Nighthunter

    umm drifter you need to learn to count :P

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    TheDrifter said:
    "There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
    "
    NOT counting Hurt
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    #46  Edited By Nighthunter
    TheDrifter said:
    "TheDrifter said:
    "There are also six people in the Black Glove (not counting Hurt)
    "
    NOT counting Hurt
    "
    there are only five fingers in a glove
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    I meant the League of Villains, not Black Glove.

    Sorry.

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    #48  Edited By Nighthunter
    TheDrifter said:
    "I meant the League of Villains, not Black Glove.

    Sorry.
    "
    you mean the club of supervillains?
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    TheDrifter said:







    These guys
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    #50  Edited By Nighthunter

    the club of supervillains

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