Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Ever since Batman's wife, a.k.a. Frank Miller penned the overrated and badly aged "The Dark Knight Returns", DC and comic fans have had two almost universal obsessions: Making Batman look good and making characters such as Superman look weak and stupid. Illogical story lines featuring rampant Batwanker-dom, such as Batman defeating The JLA singlehandedly, Superman/Batman constantly revolving around weakening Superman and using kryptonite, and similar treatment in Superman: The Animated Series where Bruce Timm had his lover The Joker dancing around as Superman was affected by Kryptonite. I dont care if I'm rambling, I'm just tired of seeing Batman always winning, seeing crap like All-Star Batman and Robin, and seeing Batgod fanboys like Bruce Timm and Frank Miller getting work. Oh god I hope I piss people off.
I understand where you are coming from.Batman is one of my all time favourite characters and i find it almost impossible to hate him. Despite this I am fed up of DC making their other characters incompetent in comparison to him- especially the rest of the justice league. I understand that he is their most popular character but i think that by portraying him as 'above' the other leaguers they are doing their other characters and the fans of these characters a grave injustice. I have never read The Dark Knight Returns because of this and although JL Crisis of 2 Earths is probably my favourite DC animated film i was disappointed that he saved the day yet again. As a fan of bats i enjoy his animated films and series etc but it dislike when a brilliant cast of powerful and useful characters are just kept on the sidelines and often belittled just to make batman seem good. batman is awesome without them having to rub it in imo. I want to see how awesome Superman, WonderWoman the Flash and the others are as well- but it seems incapable as long as batman is present. Sorry if i rambled but these are just my thoughts.
You do have a point. But yeah, its more the fans than the character that pi$$ me off. Batfans are even worse than Storm fans. ( Don't diss me!!!)
O_O......you wound me sir, you wound me deeply
as for the op, blame the writers Batman is a great character and it is this greatness that has blinded writers into making equally great characters look stupid when they should be pwning him
I will agree that Frank Miller sucks, and should never write another comic ever again. But as far as Batman being awesome...its hard for his awesomeness to not look so awesome.
Batman is a mere mortal in a universe full of over powered gods. DC has become the definition of power house over the years and as a result have infiltrated the market with omnipotent characters such as Superman. In comparison to these characters, you refuse to believe that a man could possibly rival their intellect, which is really all that Batman does. He finds a way to beat them, which is logical, and yet you refuse to believe it because he is merely a man compared to alien gods. With attitudes like this it makes me take the side of Lex Luthor. Do you really have so little faith in humanity that we are the weakest possible species in the universe? Batman wins because he is the epitome of human achievement, something that no living man can compare themselves with. Bruce Wayne has devoted the majority of his life to reaching perfection; Clark Kent flies around never questioning his omnipotence. It seems to me that anyone with that much devotion should be able to outwit the overconfident demigod.
He has nothing supernatural about him to bring him back.
And if anyone did anything to bring him back it lessens the character. Which is why I loved that Bruce died to and Dick became Batman. Which is why I hate that the bullet sent him through time. I love the notion that Batman is racing against a clock, eventually he will screw up and he will die. Comic writers forget that.
He has nothing supernatural about him to bring him back.
And if anyone did anything to bring him back it lessens the character. Which is why I loved that Bruce died to and Dick became Batman. Which is why I hate that the bullet sent him through time. I love the notion that Batman is racing against a clock, eventually he will screw up and he will die. Comic writers forget that.
IT's not so much forgotten as much as it is delayed indefinitely and that applies to more than Batman and it applies more than just to DC. Batman is never going to make that fatal mistake or at the very least he won't die from it arguably he's made what should be that fatal mistake several times, Superman is never going to fly off to explore space and leave whatever kryptonian he feels most worthy in his stead, Wonder Woman will never give up heroing to rule the Amazons, Captain America will never make the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good or at the very least he'll come back everytime he does, Thor will never become high father and leave heroing behind and Iornman will never drink himself into an early grave. The main trilogy, the big time, the icons on any and all sides are immortal, they will never die because there are infinite stories to tell about them and more importantly because there is no money to be made in keeping them dead. As insane as the things writers have had Batman do are no one has forgotten hes just human and no writer worth their pay ever will but whether or not he is human or whether or not he can die from falling off a building or taking a bullet through the brain is irrelevant because Batman and every other of the few characters that are truly on his level are indefinitely immortal. And in my opinion for good reason. Having Batman make that fatal mistake lessens the character and the industry mire than bringing him back ever could and it is for that reason that Batman will not die
Completely unrelated to my main point but I hate Dick Grayson as Batman, I think dick is awesome and absolutely Kicks @$$, but I always felt being Batman was detrimental to his character and to his purpose
I agree that writers do seem to exaggerate Batman's prowess as compared to Superman, but I think that's mostly just insecurity on their parts. Batman is so completely outclassed by Superman that they probably think they have to power him up, or power down Superman to compensate. That is pretty dumb. People don't like Batman because he can beat Superman.
@Primmaster64: Nothing is worse than storm fans....
Amen. There is nothing on this site worse than Storm fans.
Hardcore Batman fans are up there too...sorry to say.
Thor fans are worse than both
Really? I haven't met any bad Thor fans. Granted, I don't pay attention to any Battle threads that involve Thor.
Theres crazy Thor fans that think he should be juggling solar systems and taking down one above all, they think he should be the most powerful character ever and it's these fans that make me really detest the character
Ever since Batman's wife, a.k.a. Frank Miller penned the overrated and badly aged "The Dark Knight Returns", DC and comic fans have had two almost universal obsessions: Making Batman look good and making characters such as Superman look weak and stupid. Illogical story lines featuring rampant Batwanker-dom, such as Batman defeating The JLA singlehandedly, Superman/Batman constantly revolving around weakening Superman and using kryptonite, and similar treatment in Superman: The Animated Series where Bruce Timm had his lover The Joker dancing around as Superman was affected by Kryptonite. I dont care if I'm rambling, I'm just tired of seeing Batman always winning, seeing crap like All-Star Batman and Robin, and seeing Batgod fanboys like Bruce Timm and Frank Miller getting work. Oh god I hope I piss people off.
When has Batman defeated the JLA singlehandedly?
K-nite was/is used by many,it's Supermans weakness.
Superman/Batman revolves around Superman looking weak? uh... I'm not sure what you have been reading but that series wanks both characters to unbelievable levels.It's the villains who get downplayed there(cough Darkseid cough).
The orignal BTAS and STAS watered down both characters,Superman was owned by rockets and mini guns.It had nothing to do with the Joker,likewise Batman struggled against thugs in BTAS,Harvey Dent KO'd him with a single kick for gods sakes.
Miller and Timm are legends,I'm not much of a Miller fan but their contribution is valuable.
Batman wins because he's a hero,it's not like he sleeps his way to victories.He had a brutal fight with Nobody and was getting butchered by the COO,Bane seems to be handing him his ass in TDK.
@Primmaster64: There shall be no forgiveness, only retribution, feel the mighty bat fan punch.....just wait for it to load.....curse the limitations of the internet and the inability t strike ones foes through the web.........okay you're forgiven for lack of a suitable alternative.
As long as it is recognized that Comic Vine Storm fans are the worst fan boys in existence, and that their is no rival to the title
@Primmaster64: Lol, Remember though you are only forgiven until violence is possible over the internet.Wait what does that picture come from *looks up movie*........... I may have found something worse than Storm fans o_o
@Primmaster64: It's a movie about Jim Carrey only being able to say yes, which I imagine is how he gets signed on to movies like these. I really think I would rather argue why Thor would beat Storm to a Storm fan than watch this movie.......but I can't be sure unless I watch it so I find myself in a delima
Making Batman look good and making characters such as Superman look weak and stupid. Illogical story lines featuring rampant Batwanker-dom, such as Batman defeating The JLA singlehandedly
Thank You! I've been making this argument for some time now! It doesn't make sense to have story-lines where Batman beats up Superman seeing how Superman is one of the most powerful characters in the DCU.
@Primmaster64: Nothing is worse than storm fans....
Amen. There is nothing on this site worse than Storm fans.
Hardcore Batman fans are up there too...sorry to say.
Thor fans are worse than both
Really? I haven't met any bad Thor fans. Granted, I don't pay attention to any Battle threads that involve Thor.
Theres crazy Thor fans that think he should be juggling solar systems and taking down one above all, they think he should be the most powerful character ever and it's these fans that make me really detest the character
lol xD I've never heard any Thor fan say anything that outrageous before. Link?
Ever since Batman's wife, a.k.a. Frank Miller penned the overrated and badly aged "The Dark Knight Returns", DC and comic fans have had two almost universal obsessions: Making Batman look good and making characters such as Superman look weak and stupid. Illogical story lines featuring rampant Batwanker-dom, such as Batman defeating The JLA singlehandedly, Superman/Batman constantly revolving around weakening Superman and using kryptonite, and similar treatment in Superman: The Animated Series where Bruce Timm had his lover The Joker dancing around as Superman was affected by Kryptonite. I dont care if I'm rambling, I'm just tired of seeing Batman always winning, seeing crap like All-Star Batman and Robin, and seeing Batgod fanboys like Bruce Timm and Frank Miller getting work. Oh god I hope I piss people off.
When has Batman defeated the JLA singlehandedly?
K-nite was/is used by many,it's Supermans weakness.
Superman/Batman revolves around Superman looking weak? uh... I'm not sure what you have been reading but that series wanks both characters to unbelievable levels.It's the villains who get downplayed there(cough Darkseid cough).
The orignal BTAS and STAS watered down both characters,Superman was owned by rockets and mini guns.It had nothing to do with the Joker,likewise Batman struggled against thugs in BTAS,Harvey Dent KO'd him with a single kick for gods sakes.
Miller and Timm are legends,I'm not much of a Miller fan but their contribution is valuable.
Batman wins because he's a hero,it's not like he sleeps his way to victories.He had a brutal fight with Nobody and was getting butchered by the COO,Bane seems to be handing him his ass in TDK.
Well said.
Yeah, Thor fans...but I haven't been around that long yet.
@jointron33 Sounds like the new 52 is for you. Check out JLA in particular. Geoff Johns and you are on the same page when it comes to Batman.
You are taking those scans out of context and I am pretty sure you know that.
I like Batman, could careless what his fans say, I read what I enjoy and leave it at that.
If i were to allow peoples opinions, bad writing on some of his books and the "amount" of people that like him to affect my opinion.....I would have a full time job changing my likes and dislikes based upon this ever changing world.
There was one guy who tried to say Regular Thor is more powerful than Pre-Crisis Darkseid because he's taken on Celestials before. That thread got deleted though because the mod and everyone else viewed it as a massive mismatch in Darkseid's favor.
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