So i wanna make a list on the various criminal gangs or leaders Batman/batfamily has faced.I don't consider Ra's al Ghul,Kobra,Joker or Bane to be crime bosses.

So Let's begin

Black Mask and the false face society

Block Buster

Falcone Family

Maroni Family

Black Glove/Dr Hurt/Club of villains

The Dealer

Penguin

Lew Moxon

Court of Owls/Talon

Two-Face

Great White Shark

Killer Croc(classic,though modern version is also a mostly hired gun)

proceed after this.

Council of Spiders, Leviathan, Rupert Thorne, Maxie Zeus and the New Olympians.

@CitizenBane said:

Council of Spiders, Leviathan, Rupert Thorne, Maxie Zeus and the New Olympians.

Eh i would put Leviathan and Council of Spiders above crime,thanks for the others.

Arnold Wesker,Scarface and Peyton Riley.

How in the hell did all these crime families manage to share/split territory in Gotham? There's too many of them for one city. How big is Gotham exactly?

If my memory of Huntress: Year One holds true, the Bertinelli family had links in Gotham as well.

@Shotgun said:

How in the hell did all these crime families manage to share/split territory in Gotham? There's too many of them for one city. How big is Gotham exactly?

LOL that's why i have decided to make this.I just tend to assume Gotham is a pocket universe honestly.

@CitizenBane: Yes and there's Blockbuster and Lew Moxon as well.

Professor Pyg and the Circus of the Strange, Doctor Tzin-Tzin, Tony Zucco.

Ghost Dragons led by both Lynx and Killer Snake.

Ventriloquist and Scarface

Rupert Thorne

Regular gangs frequently are the Odessa,Triads,Burnley Massive,and the Galante crime family.

@nightwing91: @CitizenBane: Thanks guys,keep it coming.

@entropy_aegis: Your also missing Intergang. As well as Jason Todd's gang from Robin:Search for a hero,The Blackgaters.

Golden Dragons.

East Side Dragons

Lords of the Avenues

Sprang Bridge Soldiers

Cosa Nostra

Galante Crime Family

Inzerillo Family

Panessa Family

Dimitrov Crime Family

Ibanescu Crime Family

Maroni Crime Family

Odessa Mob

Riley Crime Family

Sabatino Crime Family

Do you want Gangs as well as the familes?

Sullivan Crime Family forgot these guys.

Bone is a recent one, from the newest Catwoman series. But he's a small fish if there ever was one.

There's also the Viti family (though they were mainly in Chicago), Anthony Zucco, Edward Skeevers, and Bobby Gazzo.

'Come up with more some time later. :)

@Final Arrow said:

Cosa Nostra

Galante Crime Family

Inzerillo Family

Panessa Family

Dimitrov Crime Family

Ibanescu Crime Family

Maroni Crime Family

Odessa Mob

Riley Crime Family

Sabatino Crime Family

Do you want Gangs as well as the familes?

Oh my,and yes.@cosmo111687 said:

Bone is a recent one, from the newest Catwoman series. But he's a small fish if there ever was one.

There's also the Viti family (though they were mainly in Chicago), Anthony Zucco, Edward Skeevers, and Bobby Gazzo.

'Come up with more some time later. :)

Bone got owned in a few panels lol.

@nightwing91: Eh Intergang is backed by the Fourth World,that's too much for the average crime boss to compete with.

Soooooo many, man how do these guys even operate.

Soooooo many, man how do these guys even operate.

@Decoy Elite said:

@entropy_aegis said:

Soooooo many, man how do these guys even operate.

Not very well.

LOL

@entropy_aegis: Power vacuums mostly a lot were from Gotham pre-Earthquake. And as Batman said in the aftermath the majority came to Gotham because of the power vacuum which made it easy pickings. And a lot stay in certain areas the various dragons mostly stay in the china town district. And then there are the various ones that have been taken over by rival gangs.

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: Power vacuums mostly a lot were from Gotham pre-Earthquake. And as Batman said in the aftermath the majority came to Gotham because of the power vacuum which made it easy pickings. And a lot stay in certain areas the various dragons mostly stay in the china town district. And then there are the various ones that have been taken over by rival gangs.

I honestly think DC should have one big crimeboss for Gotham,they can bring the Outsider from Flashpoint in to continuity.That guy was hardcore.Most of the rest should move on to New York and Bludhaven to challenge Nightwing and the remaining members of the batfamily.

@entropy_aegis: If you want gangs this may go nuts!!!

Yakuza

All-Americans

The Black Gaters

Blue Flu Gang

The Burnley Town Massive

Bloods

Crips

East Side Dragons

Street Demonz

Penitente Cartal

Lucky Hand Triad

Lords of the Avenues

Jewish Sons of David

Irish Wound Ravens

Hanoi Ten

Intergang

Golden Dragons

Free Men Gang

Ghost Dragons

Five Fingers

Escabedo Cartel

Latina Unified Gang

Sprang Bridge Soliders

@Final Arrow said:

@entropy_aegis: If you want gangs this may go nuts!!!

Yakuza

All-Americans

The Black Gaters

Blue Flu Gang

The Burnley Town Massive

Bloods

Crips

East Side Dragons

Street Demonz

Penitente Cartal

Lucky Hand Triad

Lords of the Avenues

Jewish Sons of David

Irish Wound Ravens

Hanoi Ten

Intergang

Golden Dragons

Free Men Gang

Ghost Dragons

Five Fingers

Escabedo Cartel

Latina Unified Gang

Sprang Bridge Soliders

Jewish sons of David?jeez.

What about Alice and the  Religion of Crime

The Whisper Gang in Batman #3

@entropy_aegis: Yeah it is unbelievable to have that many,I've always wondered why the majority stay in Gotham with so much competition around,it seems profit would be extremely low from the various avenues. And yes an overall mob boss for the city would work, but then again wasn't that the whole point of War Games to make Blackmask the unified crime boss for all of Gotham.

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: Yeah it is unbelievable to have that many,I've always wondered why the majority stay in Gotham with so much competition around,it seems profit would be extremely low from the various avenues. And yes an overall mob boss for the city would work, but then again wasn't that the whole point of War Games to make Blackmask the unified crime boss for all of Gotham.

Yeah but War Games was TURRIBLE.

@spiderbat87 said:

What about Alice and the Religion of Crime

This, Elegy was great.

@entropy_aegis: I suppose but there's been worse events it accomplshed everything it set out to do. Brought Tim Drake back as Robin, unified the Gotham gangs and returned Batman to the old days of being at odds with the GCPD.

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: I suppose but there's been worse events it accomplshed everything it set out to do. Brought Tim Drake back as Robin, unified the Gotham gangs and returned Batman to the old days of being at odds with the GCPD.

True but overall it's impact upon the batbooks was negligible,Steph returned,Sionis died,Leslie is on speaking terms with Bruce again etc.I mostly hated Steph's torture and Leslie's treatment by the writers.Not to mention i never fully understood how Step screwed up in the first place.

@entropy_aegis: The Leslie thing was my biggest gripe with the story,as for Stephanie she failed because she wasn't Tim.Through out her entire training batman would criticize her usually saying stuff like by this point could do so and so much better,and the fact that during the Robin solo series they would patrol and she disobeyed his orders on several missions. In fact her entire purpose of being Robin was to bring Tim back.

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: The Leslie thing was my biggest gripe with the story,as for Stephanie she failed because she was Tim.Through out her entire training was, by this point could do so and so much better,and the fact that during the Robin solo series they would patrol and she disobeyed his orders on several missions. In fact her entire purpose of being Robin was to bring Tim back.

Yeah,it was made quite clear that Steph was just keeping Tim's seat warm.

@entropy_aegis: Yeah and Steph frequently annoyed me as Robin, and even when she had the mantle the Robin series continued to revolve around Tim so it was no secret. One Year Later took away the majority of the impact of the story,Stephanie turning up alive took away the rest.

I've counted about 40 heroes that are either from Gotham, operate in Gotham, or just live in Gotham City, which is roughly 25% larger than Manhattan island (according to a source i cannot find again). if each hero stayed in Gotham full time that leaves about a square mile for each hero to defend and protect against the crime family and secret cult (ive jokingly told friends) each hero battles against regularly.

now that im seeing the compiled list of gangs and families from Gotham im really left wondering how big the civilian population is in Gotham.

Oh and don't forget penguin and his gang.

@entropy_aegis said:

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: Yeah it is unbelievable to have that many,I've always wondered why the majority stay in Gotham with so much competition around,it seems profit would be extremely low from the various avenues. And yes an overall mob boss for the city would work, but then again wasn't that the whole point of War Games to make Blackmask the unified crime boss for all of Gotham.

Yeah but War Games was TURRIBLE.

This is a great thread.. But, for shame, man. War Games is a hell of a story.

@sEsposito7: When you think about it though,there is no impact. It brought Tim back only for him to leave the mantle a few years later,killed steph but she never actually died, Leslie actions were completely unlike her, and Black Mask died after becoming the unified mob boss,with Gotham's mob scene returning essentially to status quo.

I liked War Games, but it is far from the top tier Batman stories.

@sEsposito7 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@nightwing91 said:

@entropy_aegis: Yeah it is unbelievable to have that many,I've always wondered why the majority stay in Gotham with so much competition around,it seems profit would be extremely low from the various avenues. And yes an overall mob boss for the city would work, but then again wasn't that the whole point of War Games to make Blackmask the unified crime boss for all of Gotham.

Yeah but War Games was TURRIBLE.

This is a great thread.. But, for shame, man. War Games is a hell of a story.

Yeah well DC agrees with me on that one,it's why they reversed everything that happened there.Overall i was unimpressed,Black Mask had a cool gimmick of his own but after this he became a Red Skull wannabe who got owned repeatedly before getting killed by Selina.

They made him Gotham's biggest mobster for....um what?getting killed and humiliated?

Still to each his own.I gave the story away a while ago.

There was a Ukrainian group called the Whisper Gang in Batman #3.

@nightwing91: If you think about, continuity rewrote some of the best Batman stories, not just War Games.

@entropy_aegis: Fair enough. Truth is, I know a lot of people didn't like it, but I swear, if you go back and read it again, it's much better.

@sEsposito7: Some details were, but the majority weren't pushed to have changes undone so quickly as War Games. Leslie was given a secret reason for her actions, Stephanie was revealed to never have died, Tim left the mantle again four years later, and Batman who had went back to not having the approval of the GCPD post One Year Later did. And it's because War Games changes proved to be unpopular for the characters directions.

Theres also the mad hatters gang witch is now the Tweedledee, Tweedledum gang.

The Buto crime family

And the Squid, had a gang until being shot by Croc.

Tobias Whale.

@entropy_aegis said:

Tobias Whale.

I can't believe I forgot to actually put him in my list.

The Bandidos which is a Gotham biker gang.

@CitizenBane said:

Council of Spiders, Leviathan, Rupert Thorne, Maxie Zeus and the New Olympians.

Eh i would put Leviathan and Council of Spiders above crime,thanks for the others.

Arnold Wesker,Scarface and Peyton Riley.

Holy sh*t!! How can have a city so much crime?

What about the Court Of Owls?

@ComicStooge said:

What about the Court Of Owls?

Yep.@RainEffect said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@CitizenBane said:

Council of Spiders, Leviathan, Rupert Thorne, Maxie Zeus and the New Olympians.

Eh i would put Leviathan and Council of Spiders above crime,thanks for the others.

Arnold Wesker,Scarface and Peyton Riley.

The Council of Spiders are a branch of the League of Assassins. At the end of Red Robin #12 Ra's admits to having created them as part of one of his 'tests' to prove if Tim was worthy or not.

He did'nt create them,just manipulated them.

This is crazy, the city is overun with crime, how much civilians and normal folk this city have?

@shotgun: It's the biggest city of DC which explained why batman could never clean the whole city.