Grant Morrison Thinks There Should NOT Be a New ROBIN

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#1 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/grant-morrison-no-new-robin.html

My first inclination was "go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling." After further consideration though, I kind of agree with him and wish that Batman would remain solo for a while.

I don't think it can be done properly though without canceling out much of the greater bat family. Furthermore, Bats would need to cut down on all these social visits he makes in other books. Also, nix his JLA membership (it's not like Johns understands him anyway). If Batman is truly angry over Damian's fall and wants to do the solo thing, there should be no half-assing it.

Seeing as that won't happen (the other bat titles sell too well, and DC won't cut down on his appearances), you might as well give the Batman another Robin.

#2 Edited by Kal'smahboi (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, I agree with Morrison on this (just as I generally agree with him about everything.)

#3 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

#4 Posted by Stormbox (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

I said it once and ill say it again: if bruce chooses another robin after damian's death, he's definitely nuts

#5 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

Honestly, as deep as Morrison's often writing goes, he might have created Damien so that he could kill him, and support the point.

#6 Posted by Akindoodle (1007 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormbox said:

I said it once and ill say it again: if bruce chooses another robin after damian's death, he's definitely nuts

Hasn't he always been?

#7 Posted by sinestro_GL (3122 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

Honestly, as deep as Morrison's often writing goes, he might have created Damien so that he could kill him, and support the point.

I was under the impression that he always planned to kill off Damian...whether it was planned for him to become Robin from the start, I'm not so sure.

#8 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

Honestly, as deep as Morrison's often writing goes, he might have created Damien so that he could kill him, and support the point.

Morrison's first intention was to kill Damian during his first years.Right after the story Batman and Son but he had a change of mind and thought that now is the best time for it to happen.

#9 Posted by Stormbox (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormbox said:

I said it once and ill say it again: if bruce chooses another robin after damian's death, he's definitely nuts

Hasn't he always been?

Id say his insanity has been in question but this would be the final nail in the crazy coffin

#10 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@kal_smahboi said:

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

Honestly, as deep as Morrison's often writing goes, he might have created Damien so that he could kill him, and support the point.

Morrison's first intention was to kill Damian during his first years.Right after the story Batman and Son but he had a change of mind and thought that now is the best time for it to happen.

Oh, good to know. I wasn't aware of that.

#11 Posted by Akindoodle (1007 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormbox said:

@akindoodle said:

@stormbox said:

I said it once and ill say it again: if bruce chooses another robin after damian's death, he's definitely nuts

Hasn't he always been?

Id say his insanity has been in question but this would be the final nail in the crazy coffin

Nope. He's always been "batsh*t" crazy to me. Choosing another Robin would simply reaffirm and not confirm it

#12 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@kal_smahboi said:

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

Honestly, as deep as Morrison's often writing goes, he might have created Damien so that he could kill him, and support the point.

Morrison's first intention was to kill Damian during his first years.Right after the story Batman and Son but he had a change of mind and thought that now is the best time for it to happen.

Oh, good to know. I wasn't aware of that.

And he said that he is not going to get him back ever but I kinda think that in a year or maybe two or more Damian will come back from the dead.

#13 Edited by Billy Batson (57918 posts) - - Show Bio

go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling.

LOL no.

BB

#14 Edited by Kal'smahboi (3504 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997: I really hope that he doesn't. I know that this is my idealism showing, but I had really hoped that what DC said after Blackest Night would stay true; that dead means dead, and that they would take death more seriously in the future.

@billy_batson said:

go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling.

LOL no.

BB

I really wanted to say this, but I didn't want to make this a Morrison vs Anti-Morrison thread haha

#15 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@kal_smahboi: Yeah,me too.As much as I love him I really think he should stay dead because the impact that way on Bruce is too big and it is always interesting to see him in pain.And also if he is going to be brought back it should be by the guy who created him and killed him,MR. GRANT MORRISON!

#16 Posted by Billy Batson (57918 posts) - - Show Bio

@kal_smahboi:

Heh. There's a place for opinions and facts. Morrison is the most popular writer currently writing and saying that people have moved on from his storytelling is just false.

BB

#17 Posted by consolemaster001 (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree

#18 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree

#19 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

My first inclination was "go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling."

Should I take your words like you didn't like his Batman stories and like Snyder?

#20 Posted by Z3RO180 (6431 posts) - - Show Bio

Morrison is completely right. Also that girl robin from the dark knight returns is just so freaking annoying good thing she's not in the new 52...oh wait NNNOOOOOOOOOPOOOP

#21 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@z3ro180 said:

Morrison is completely right. Also that girl robin from the dark knight returns is just so freaking annoying good thing she's not in the new 52...oh wait NNNOOOOOOOOOPOOOP

We still have to wait to see what will happen.I don't really think that she will be the new Robin.

#22 Edited by BlackReaper (595 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be pretty messed up to replace his own son like that.

#23 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Same with pretty much everybody, not only is it a bad idea to have a new Robin immediately after Damian died, but it's a really bad idea to use Frank Miller's alternate future robin. I mean, why would they do that? Why couldn't they bring Cassie or Stephanie in? I mean, this is the perfect opportunity for Cassie. And if they really don't want to bring the old Robins in, why wouldn't they create a new character? Why doesn't anyone bring in new ideas?!?

#24 Edited by The_Tree (7250 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with him. Damian was the be all end all to the Robin mantle, and to replace him would feel almost disrespectful. Not to mention it'd make Batman seem like an idiot for taking up yet another kid and putting their life in danger.

The only way I'd really want Robin to be around after these events is if Damian is brought back to life.

#25 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/grant-morrison-no-new-robin.html

My first inclination was "go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling." After further consideration though, I kind of agree with him and wish that Batman would remain solo for a while.

I don't think it can be done properly though without canceling out much of the greater bat family. Furthermore, Bats would need to cut down on all these social visits he makes in other books. Also, nix his JLA membership (it's not like Johns understands him anyway). If Batman is truly angry over Damian's fall and wants to do the solo thing, there should be no half-assing it.

Seeing as that won't happen (the other bat titles sell too well, and DC won't cut down on his appearances), you might as well give the Batman another Robin.

- Good lord, i actually agree with Grant Morrison!!!

- This is the day the Good Lord has made....

#26 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormbox said:

I said it once and ill say it again: if bruce chooses another robin after damian's death, he's definitely nuts

- I believe that he's pretty much nuts already in more ways than one.

#27 Edited by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson said:

@kal_smahboi:

Heh. There's a place for opinions and facts. Morrison is the most popular writer currently writing and saying that people have moved on from his storytelling is just false.

BB

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

#28 Edited by HushoftheWind (872 posts) - - Show Bio

i hate that they still shoehorn bruce with a sidekick when all the other heroes drop that idea way of thinking ie Captain America, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Wolverine etc. Just let the man team up with his past Robins and no more. There has been enough Robins in the Bat nest already.

#29 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6097 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

This. And I want things to be just Nightwing and Batman around Gotham like the way they were.

#30 Posted by TheCowman (461 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Batman gets a new Robin.

I hope he gets FOUR new Robins (two girls, two boys).

I hope they form a pop band in their spare time and have wacky adventures with Ace the Bat-hound, Bat-Mite, and the Harlem Globetrotters.

#31 Posted by Black_Claw (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman doesn't need anymore Robins. Losing Jason was one thing, but now he's actually lost his biological son this time around.

Needless to say, replacing Damian at all would be a huge slap in the face to many fans and it would make Bruce seem like an insensitive jackass.

I always think Batman works better on his own IMO.

#32 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

go away Mr. Morrison, you've gotten too weird and people have moved on from your self-absorbed storytelling.

LOL no.

BB

- Way to put down and opinion as if yours is a fact. How Cute.

#33 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_tree said:

I agree with him. Damian was the be all end all to the Robin mantle, and to replace him would feel almost disrespectful. Not to mention it'd make Batman seem like an idiot for taking up yet another kid and putting their life in danger.

The only way I'd really want Robin to be around after these events is if Damian is brought back to life.

- This basically.

#34 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I think the same way.This was the last showing that there shouldn't be another Robin.

This. And I want things to be just Nightwing and Batman around Gotham like the way they were.

That will be the best thing to happen but it's always good to see Tim team-up with Bruce.

#35 Edited by Billy Batson (57918 posts) - - Show Bio

@reignmaker said:

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

Well I doubt that they would put out deluxe editions, omnibuses, absolutes and other what nots for something that wouldn't sell.

BB

#36 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with him!

#37 Posted by knighthood (1693 posts) - - Show Bio

Furthermore, Bats would need to cut down on all these social visits he makes in other books. Also, nix his JLA membership (it's not like Johns understands him anyway). If Batman is truly angry over Damian's fall and wants to do the solo thing, there should be no half-assing it.

I agree you & Morrison, but Morrison shouldn't have killed Damian in the first place.

#38 Posted by SupBatz (1727 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna have to disagree. My vision of Batman is that he needs a Robin. Not right away. And not Carrie Kelly or Harper Row. But someday Bruce will need to find a new Robin.

#39 Posted by consolemaster001 (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

Mah man grant !

#40 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@reignmaker said:
Furthermore, Bats would need to cut down on all these social visits he makes in other books. Also, nix his JLA membership (it's not like Johns understands him anyway). If Batman is truly angry over Damian's fall and wants to do the solo thing, there should be no half-assing it.

I agree you & Morrison, but Morrison shouldn't have killed Damian in the first place.

Yeah, I'm still angry that it happened. Especially since I wasn't really following Batman Inc. anyway.

#41 Posted by nightwing89 (17 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a Morrison fan, and he should not have killed Damian. But there shouldn't be a Robin for some time after this.

#42 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

Why didn't you like any other stories from him?

#43 Posted by consolemaster001 (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman doesn't need anymore Robins. Losing Jason was one thing, but now he's actually lost his biological son this time around.

Needless to say, replacing Damian at all would be a huge slap in the face to many fans and it would make Bruce seem like an insensitive jackass.

I always think Batman works better on his own IMO.

Snyder is trying to shoehorn harper

#44 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

Why didn't you like any other stories from him?

I just feel like he's become obsessed with reviving obscure forgotten concepts, and he's more concerned with being weird than actually being good. Some of my favorite stuff is his older works, but he's slowly turned me off.

#45 Posted by TDK_1997 (14662 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

Why didn't you like any other stories from him?

I just feel like he's become obsessed with reviving obscure forgotten concepts, and he's more concerned with being weird than actually being good. Some of my favorite stuff is his older works, but he's slowly turned me off.

Well that is kinda his kind of telling the story.By being weird he is being himself.He likes to revive old stories and most of the time he gets the best out of them.They actually have great potential and a great example is his run on Batman.

#46 Posted by roboadmiral (544 posts) - - Show Bio

At this point, there's not really a legitimate story-telling reason for Batman to ever end up with a new Robin. His son died. There is no higher form of wake-up call. The sort of things Batman does are not games for children, no matter how formidable or well trained. If Batman can't figure out that lesson from this whole ordeal, then what was the point?

Some might think that in that case Robin should be an adult, but Robin is specifically a child character. He is The Boy Wonder. It defeats the purpose of having a Robin.

The only reason for there to ever be another Robin is because some folks think there ought to be a Robin, but that's not legitimate story-telling. That's just a desire for things to not change.

Maybe there can be a different Batman title in a different Gotham where things are less horrific, an all-ages approach to Batman. That would be a world that accommodates a Robin. But the world of Batman as it is-- where Damian is dead and guys like James Gordon Jr. are running around-- doesn't have a place for the Boy Wonder.

#47 Posted by consolemaster001 (5159 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

Why didn't you like any other stories from him?

I just feel like he's become obsessed with reviving obscure forgotten concepts, and he's more concerned with being weird than actually being good. Some of my favorite stuff is his older works, but he's slowly turned me off.

Well that is kinda his kind of telling the story.By being weird he is being himself.He likes to revive old stories and most of the time he gets the best out of them.They actually have great potential and a great example is his run on Batman.

I agree

#48 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (10148 posts) - - Show Bio

I am the only one that belive Tim Drak should had been the last Robin.

I mean there was no point in keep Robin after the fact he still calls himself in someway Robin.

Grant Morrison as Batman writter is by far better that Alan Moore and he enjoys his job more, he just needs tto leave the past on the past.

#49 Posted by gettogaara (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Despite my criticism of Damian's death, I do agree with him on this point. I mean maybe in time but to take a new Robin in the next year would just be downright unrealistic.

However, I am glad to hear this:

He even told Newsarama that it's possible Damian will be brought back to life after he leaves Batman Inc.

"That wouldn't bother me at all, if it was done well and if someone really had a good idea for it," he said of Damian's potential for resurrection. "But I don't imagine that's going to happen for awhile. It's certainly not going to happen in my story. So all the people that are hoping for a happy ending for Damian can forget it. But other writers? That kind of thing is beyond my control and beyond the scope of my story. There are always possibilities."

#50 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@reignmaker said:

He might be the most well-known. But if he was the most popular or most well-regarded his sales numbers would show it.

He hasn't written anything since All-Star Superman worth reading. Just my opinion, but I know I'm not alone.

Why didn't you like any other stories from him?

I just feel like he's become obsessed with reviving obscure forgotten concepts, and he's more concerned with being weird than actually being good. Some of my favorite stuff is his older works, but he's slowly turned me off.

Well that is kinda his kind of telling the story.By being weird he is being himself.He likes to revive old stories and most of the time he gets the best out of them.They actually have great potential and a great example is his run on Batman.

Yes, I know that's his way. At least it is now. I didn't like his run on Batman.

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