This issue was great until Johns got his hands on Batman again. Just like in rebirth he makes batman a petulant child. totally out of character writing and just a bad portrayal. Idk if Johns doesnt like Batman or if he just doesnt comprehend who the character is but this is just awful.

I can understand if he's out of character.

@sinestro_gl:

the thing that makes him awesome though is that bruce is the guy that is a stategist supreme and always calm under pressure. his pragmatism is one of THE biggest parts of his character.....but johns strips that away everytime he writes him

Its a mystery, he needs to be relieved from writing anything concerning Batman. Or Bats has to be removed from the story John's writing cause its not working out.

I'm a HUGE fan of batman, but honestly it was only in there for a small "Ha" moment and not to be taken seriously, it's not a big deal. Like someone said above, the world is taken over, the JL is presumed dead and Nightwing is captured, he's got a lot on his plate right now, Batman or not that's a lot for anyone. Plus, like I said, it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously

Everything is serious, THIS IS COMIC BOOKS!!!!

@dagmar_merrill: haha well I do agree what you said about Johns handling Batman's character.... It's like he's got no respect for the guy

When catwoman said the line about the villains being in charge i wanted to smash about 400 brand new flat screen tvs

@queencorp15: you angry as I cause im thinking the same thing

its all opinion and perspective. I just view johns' character assassination....I kid....johns' characterization of bruce is almost always 100% off

The joke has gotten old and played out,it's simply not funny any more.Why the heck isn't Sinestro on the receiving end of these jokes? It's always Batman.

I cannot take that moment seriously because simply even if Batman still thinks that the League is dead,the world has been taken over by an evil Justice League counterpats from another Earth and that Dick is in big danger he would still act right even though inside he would be really pissed,annoyed and sad about the situation and he would never had such a dialogue with Luthor.

@sog7dc: @entropy_aegis: @tdk_1997: Johns got another issue to mock Batman lol. I imagine something like Lex giving orders and then Bats ruining their mission cause he doesn't agree with Lex.

@bigcimmerian: I think two things can happen:1.Batman being led by Luthor and he will whine like a baby the whole time or 2.He will ruin their mission or if something goes wrong he would say ''Told ya,I had to be the leader.I am the best of all of the leaders.''

As others have said, it's only a small moment and understandable considering the situation. Plus, let's look at what's been going on in Batman's own life. Within the timeframe of the DCnU, it's been less than a year since Damian's death. So he has lost his biological son, had a reconciliation with another estranged "son" (whatever Jason is in the New 52) and then promptly had a massive break with him, and now his oldest (and favorite) "child" is in the hands of murderous thugs. In addition, in Bruce's own estimation said "child's" life is now ruined due to his unmasking and Bruce regards all this as his fault.

So, yeah, I can see how he wouldn't be hitting on all cylinders at the moment.

@dzeytoun:

But the thing about batman, his superpower if you will, is that he is never shaken. That he is always firing on all cylinders. Like with the white Martians, during RIP. During DOTF I could go on for days. Batman does not behave that way as he did in FE #5.

But..but he's the BATMAN!

I dont understand why you guys are bringing up Damian,Jason etc. Johns himself has given no hint of this whatsoever.

Except at the end of Batman Inc., when he picks up a sword and goes to fight Talia, forgetting that she has probably developed new poisons since last they tangled, only being saved by the intervention of a Spyral Agent. And that was written by Morrison, scarcely an enemy of Batman. Or how he then spent the next several issues of the Bat books going crazy in various creative ways. And the main story of that was written by Tomasi, once again scarcely an enemy of the character. Or how he seems to miss that, gee, the members of his family might kinda want to know that the Joker might know their identities, even if Batman himself thinks it's all probably not true. And that was Snyder, the main Batman writer, who has said that Batman needs to learn things about the mistakes he made during that arc. All of that within the past year or so. No, Batman has never, ever had any such "superpower." He is only human, which is the most interesting part of his character. He has no superpowers. He is not a god. He is better than most at most things, but has flaws and is perfectly capable of making mistakes. And no, it isn't just Johns who sees him that way.

If continuity and a shared universe have any meaning at all, then events that have taken place within the past year are perfectly relevant. If they don't, well, then any discussion of characterization is useless, sense there is no character without continuity.

I don't think you undertoo what I meant....I didn't mean he actually has a superpower I meat his greatest asset is that he is always in control of his emotion and he is always prepared. even when he stood against darkseid at least twice,

the group of white martians that had the entire jl beat, or when morrison wrote about the black hand and batman was ready for that and when batman went up against hush he was prepared (in the way of not being overwhelmed) or when batman wouldn’t even crack when he was drugged and tortured for days in COO I could go on and on. my issue with what johns did is that he took what is supposed to be one of the most brilliant, strategically tuned and pragmatic minds and made him a whiny kid. aa guy as smart as bruce would yell at a room full of people who all have the ability to snap him like a twig and say “im in charge. you do what I say” that is bad characterization of batman…..its like joker doing something for money….its just bad…..that’s my opinion yes but this whole thread is obviously subjective

You think Johns gives a damn about continuity?

And last I checked everyone disliked that arc in Batman and Robin due to Bruce being horribly OOC but Tomasi was atleast trying to make a point,his Batman isn't like that usually, Johns Batman sucks every single time. I also cant believe you just compared this with INC,Bruce didn't act like a moron,Talia simply outsmarted him and in a genuinely impressive way.