Why Black Panther gets so little vote? His physical is no doubt superior than The Dark Knight ...

and he is as smart as Batman, and he is smarter than him in some areas like Science and techs.

I don't understand why people think that Batman will finds BP's weakness and explode them, while BP just fooling around.

Black Panther hands down. Besides having superior gear, he is a genious and a brilliant fighter.

I get the feeling why so many people think Batman will win is because they know nothing about Black Panther. T'challa is Batman but on a totally different level. Even if Bruce has time to prepare it wouldn't be an advantage. T'challa will do the same thing. Also he's more sane a king of his own country that has a mixture of science and magic so he has more access to a larger arsenal. He is a better tactician and one of the smartest people in the world. The reason why he won't win a fight is because in the court of popular opinion noone knows much about him. "Black Panther yeah he's that dude in a black mask right?" ugh.

Question on this matter: Is Batman being matched up with exclusively marvel people for this, or will we see some other characters he's never matched with thrown in?

And, honestly, while I agree with Panther and Wolverine, I'm not sure how much I can support this until Batman gets a win. If it's Batman versus exclusively Marvel people and he loses every bout, I feel like that's just due to marvel favoritism. And I am admittedly a little irked that he was deemed a draw with Captain America when Batman beat him in a crossover.

@jynxjaguar said:

I know everybody loves Batman, and I do too, but no one is giving the Panther a shot because he's not as well known or popular. Yeah, Batman's got mad skills that he's been working on since he was twelve or so. T'Challa's been doing this ALL HIS LIFE. Even putting that aside, here's a good thought. Both of them are masters of many forms of martial arts, but the Panther's armor is superior for absorbing blows and he's covered head to toe. Batman leaves his mouth and jaw exposed, which is exploitable. And the Panther's arsenal is fairly compact. Batman doesn't carry every single bat-gadget he has on him at all times, and this match is an unplanned encounter. Planned, Yeah, I think Batman would edge the Panther out. He's just got too many different gadgets for taking out specific opponents. That and I think that T'Challa also has fighting styles learned from battling Wakanda's wild animals that might throw Batman off his game long enough to exploit that unprotected jaw. Oh, and check your comics history guys: the Panther in the Marvel Universe is considered to be one of the 8 smartest people on the planet and he carries the accumulated knowledge of all the past Panthers. He's a match for the Bat in intellect.

@Zeeguy91 said:

While I do like Batman much more than the Black Panther, even I have to admit that BP would probably take the victory in a fight. Bruce and T'Challa are probably almost equal in actual hand-to-hand skill, with Bruce taking a slight edge in that category. However, T'Challa has the wisdom and guidance of past generations of Black Panther. That could give him some sort of ability to either predict or neutralize Bruce's moves. Unless Bruce had prep time or already had a way to neutralize that, T'Challa would probably win.

Well this isn't gonna go over well.

at least this can go either way...I always think Batman can beat Superman or Sliver Surfer or Galactus...I think Batman fans are the problem they think Batman is cool so his coolness wins.....Ironman could kill Batman with one repulsor blast and Tony Stark doesn't need fans to be cool he already knows he is

@k4tzm4n: Just the fact that it's not going to be exclusively Marvel characters alleviates my concern, actually. Like I said, I agree with Wolverine (which I don't think would even be remotely close, and I hate Wolverine) and Panther, and it's very easy to see that he'd stalemate with Cap.

@k4tzm4n You said it is possible for the community to vote on who batman goes up against in these articles. How do we do that?

For the record the time BP defeated Steve was when Cap was still recovering from his Civil War injuries as per stated by BP in the book.  I notice a lot of BP fans posting that pic of BP over Cap ready to step on his head.

They fought another time in CoC2 and Cap won.  But again both were handicapped as not 100 percent in that as well.

@k4tzm4n So I do enjoy reading these but I am finding this to be inherently flawed. I know you are trying to not be biased but it is almost impossible to eliminate bias. And here is the main reason why:

The inspiration of these articles are to explore whether Batman always wins or not. The problem is you are fighting against the statement that Batman always wins. So you are going to lean towards Batman losing (even if mentally you are thinking that you have to keep yourself in check).

A much better and accurate way to write this is to have a (or a team of) Batman hardcore fans provide evidence on why Batman would beat whoever. And also then get hardcore Wolverine, Captain America, or Black Panther fans give their evidence on why they think Batman would lose. Then you have a neutral person (preferably someone who doesn't know much about either of those characters) to analyse who would win. You can still write the article but base it off all of that. Then you eliminate your biases and your articles would hold more credibility.

@k4tzm4n You said it is possible for the community to vote on who batman goes up against in these articles. How do we do that?

@k4tzm4n So I do enjoy reading these but I am finding this to be inherently flawed. I know you are trying to not be biased but it is almost impossible to eliminate bias. And here is the main reason why:

The inspiration of these articles are to explore whether Batman always wins or not. The problem is you are fighting against the statement that Batman always wins. So you are going to lean towards Batman losing (even if mentally you are thinking that you have to keep yourself in check).

A much better and accurate way to write this is to have a (or a team of) Batman hardcore fans provide evidence on why Batman would beat whoever. And also then get hardcore Wolverine, Captain America, or Black Panther fans give their evidence on why they think Batman would lose. Then you have a neutral person (preferably someone who doesn't know much about either of those characters) to analyse who would win. You can still write the article but base it off all of that. Then you eliminate your biases and your articles would hold more credibility.

One of batmans greatests qualities and abilities is his ability to prepare for a fight. I believe if these two were to encounter once than black panther would probably win. But every time after that batman would take victory

Also, sweet VS graphic.

Great rundown as always K4tz, and as usual I gotta agree with you on the winner here. BP's just got too much going on that gives him the edge.

Also, sweet VS graphic.

Great rundown as always K4tz, and as usual I gotta agree with you on the winner here. BP's just got too much going on that gives him the edge.

@k4tzm4n: Same here honestly, I voted for DD as well. But I think most people decided that fight was already pretty obviously a win for Bats and thus went with BP who was a more questionable opponent.

Or maybe BP just has more fans on the site now.

No disagreements from me...though I do not know much about T'Challa.

No disagreements from me...though I do not know much about T'Challa.

@k4tzm4n This is a list of match-ups I'd really like to see. Not making demancds or anything, just a wish-list

• Batman vs. Elektra
• Batman vs. Bronze Tiger
• Batman vs. White Tiger
• Batman vs. Daredevil
• Batman vs. Iron Fist
• Batman vs. Animal Man
• Batman vs. Black Canary
• Batman vs. Atom (Ray Palmer)
• Batman vs. Green Arrow and/or Hawkeye
• And, as a wild-card: Batman vs. Human Torch

I agree with the outcome but it makes me wonder what exactly is Batman's standard gear. The only thing is I wish you would go more into detail about how Batman would use his equipment against Black Panther and vice versa. The way you make it sound is Batman is just gonna throw his shock bombs and stuff directly at BP the whole time. Surely after he sees its not gonna work he'd try something else? Like you could show how he's used his gear in the past a bit more.

Similar? Black Panther is a copy of Batman XD

Batman wins because Batman carries cat nip!

@k4tzm4n: So glad you're doing this as a monthly thing! The battle forums aren't the same without you and here at least we get a glimpse of your street level prowess. No arguments from me on the verdict, thoroughly analysed as it was. T'Challa should definitely be able to beat Batman due to his greater weaponry, equal fighting skills and enhanced stats! Awesome article!

I'd go so far as to say modern day Black Panther is easily as tough a fight for Batman as Wolverine given the tech and recent enhancements.

You insult Batman with this article.

@jynxjaguar: Man i agree completely Batman is my all time favorite DC hero and Blackpanther is my all time marvel hero (with the exception of Hawkeye) These can beat practically everyone in there universe. There both vastly intelligent masters at God knows how many martial arts, these characters are so big they cant even exist in the same universe (dramatically speaking of course) and Batman is tactical genius, not to say Blackpanther isn't he is a king after all and kings tend to know a thing or two about tactics.So this fight goes to Blackpanther pretty cool now id like to see Batman go up against his biggest threat yet.......Squirrel girl lol!!

I honestly think Black Panther would give Batman a beating like no other within a couple of mins.

I agree. T'Challa just comes from stronger genes. The Black Panthers are trained to be kings and warriors for generations. The Waynes have good hearts and minds for business but Bruce and Demian seem like the only badasses of the whole bloodline. Bruce owes everything he is to money and obsession. Have you done Batman vs Moon Knight yet? I'd like to see which crazy person is crazier.

I agree with this one... normally I would give even odds on Batman but after T'Challa became the king of the dead and inherited the skills of all the previous Black Panthers? Yeah, maybe Bruce could have taken T'Challa and his skills... he could never take the skills of all the Panthers incarnate in one man.

@k4tzm4n: Is there anyway you can do a "Deathstroke vs Black Panther" thread like this?

@Super_SoldierXII said:

I'd go so far as to say modern day Black Panther is easily as tough a fight for Batman as Wolverine given the tech and recent enhancements.

I completely agree.

@Alexander505 said:

Similar? Black Panther is a copy of Batman XD

Black Panther may look a lot like Batman with the suit and all but they are very different characters with different mindsets and weapons.

I agree completely. You made your points very well, too.

I have to agree, T'Challa wins this one. It would be amazingly close, but T'Challa's stronger, faster, and has more resources at his disposal.

@Reignmaker said:

Black Panther beats pretty much ANY street-level superhero...according to the Comic Vine battle forums. -_-

As a big fan of the Wakandan Warrior, that's pretty awesome! :D

Decent points, as they are now T'Challa edges it, BUT I'd like to think it would be in Batman's favour if T'Challa wasn't king of the dead. ( Batman fan =D )

Questions:

If T'Challa has the power of all the previous dead Panthers then surely his physicals would be well beyond super human?

How does vibranium fair against ice and magnetic devices? Batman is unlikely to use them but the option is there.

Love these scenarios ....

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

@Bobsjonjon said:

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

Batman has never beaten Superman in canon.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Bobsjonjon said:

...but Bats beats Supes he should crush BP.

Batman has never beaten Superman in canon.

Also, random encounter. No prep for the prep god.

@k4tzm4n:In the case of BP an airstrike won't kill him. The guy can take a hit from the Hulk due to his suit. So an airstrike might be what Batman needs to win. :p

I dare anyone to debate against K4 and win.

I DARE YOU.

I agree with the article.Panther wins.Batman is intimidating,but I personally feel that if he goes up against someone with that killer instinct he gets his ass handed to him.That is his weakness.To me that is why characters like Wonder Woman,Deathstroke, Lady Shiva Bronze Tiger, Wolverine,Panther will always come out on top.