Deadly Batman

#1 Posted by Bad_People (163 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know that most variations of Batman is a staunch opponent of lethal force but in all his aggressive crime fighting has he ever accidentally killed anyone?

#2 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14722 posts) - - Show Bio

Not to my knowledge.

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#3 Posted by DarkKnight1939 (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has killed many, accidentally and deliberately.

#4 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

who and how and when? :D

#5 Posted by nikonwonder (6 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as I know, the thing that sets Batman apart is that he does not kill. So if your going to say he has, I suggest you provide specifics to back up your point.

#6 Posted by BatWatch (2754 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. He has definitely killed non-humans. I think common sense would show that he would have had to have killed some people with all the damage he has dealt. I mean, you cannot crack somebody's head open and expect there to be no permanent damage every time.

In my mind, people have died because of Bruce, but I do not think official cannon would ever admit that.

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#7 Posted by DarkKnight1939 (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Note that most of the murders took place when Batman was just starting, before his moral code was introduced, before he refused to carry a firearm, and while the writers were evolving him into the hero he would become (Early Batman stories, 1939-1940), so he wasn't quite the Batman we know today. As BatWatch has said, deaths could have occured through Batman's brutal form of fighting, while not directly said in the comic book, would have probably occured. In Batman's Elseworlds (Red Rain) stories he has killed, but as that is not the main universe it doesn't count. The other occurances have been in the 80's, notably Mike W. Barrs stories (Messiah of the Crimson Sun (Kills Raah's Al Ghul), 10 Nights of the Beast (Kills KGBeast), Batman Year 2). A modern day example includes the Final Crisis where he attempts to kill Darkseid. Most of these examples have retconned or ignored and probably don't apply to the current 'New 52 Batman'. Batman's moral code dissallows him from killing and he probably will remain true to that, though I believe when nescessary Batman will make exceptions, and I'm fine with that.

My Evidence:

http://www.cracked.com/article_20111_the-6-most-brutal-murders-committed-by-batman.html

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/03/22/batman-kills-murderer/

http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1406.0

#8 Posted by DarkKnight1939 (148 posts) - - Show Bio

He also killed a man in Batman: Cult under the influence of drugs and hallucinogenics, and he believed he was killing Two Face. A lot of examples have Batman treading a fine line between whether it was killing or not. "Batman Begins" 'I won't kill you but I don't have to save you' is a good example of this.

#9 Posted by Stormbox (2001 posts) - - Show Bio

I nkow this doesnt count completely because its an alien, but batman killed a parademon (with a gun nonetheless) in cosmic odyssey

#10 Posted by Bad_People (163 posts) - - Show Bio

I was interested in seeing how the act of accidentally killing someone would strain his already unsound mental state. (The best heros are a little crazy)

#11 Posted by BatWatch (2754 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stormbox:

I remember there was a big discussion early on in the DCNU about Batman and the rest of the Justice League killing parademons. Apparently, Batman reeeeally does not like Parademons. (smiles)

I actually think this topic deserves a whole story arc. Maybe Kal-El should have a conversation with Bruce about his willingness to kill aliens.

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#12 Posted by Lvenger (20220 posts) - - Show Bio

@BatWatch said:

@Stormbox:

I remember there was a big discussion early on in the DCNU about Batman and the rest of the Justice League killing parademons. Apparently, Batman reeeeally does not like Parademons. (smiles)

I actually think this topic deserves a whole story arc. Maybe Kal-El should have a conversation with Bruce about his willingness to kill aliens.

For more news, reviews, and commentary for the entire Bat Family, check out BatWatch.net.

You know Superman was tearing the Parademons apart in Justice League 3 as well. But I have a theory that given the metallic parts of the Parademons and the fact organic material was harvested to make them, I've deduced that they weren't alive so the Justice League 'killing the Parademons' is perfectly fine. Of course Johns didn't make that clear in the issue and left it up for misinterpretation. Another reason why Justice League is a terrible read.

#13 Posted by Breadspread (774 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkknight1939: wow, good job with the evidence. Great links! Thanks for the read.

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