@entropy_aegis said:
@durakken said:
Dear Chris Bale,
Please take Nolan and keep the <bleep> away from Batman. Your take on Batman and his supporting characters are garbage for the most part and the profit made from those movies are not due to your work but rather Batman as an IP which could make money even if it were directed and written by M. Night Shamalan and starred Kevin Costner as Batman. I could be wrong about that, but my point stands, the Batman IP was not made good by you and you have not served that IP well. So please, kindly go do something else that fits your abilities as an actor.
This explains the success of Batman and Robin.
Here's the problem, it's incredibly hard to get VHS and DVD sales numbers and considering that is where most of the money is in just film (it's toys and merch sold to kids if you go outside of film itself) we have no idea how good or bad the movie really did. Box Office returns really only show how many people were conned into seeing a movie or had high hopes for a movie.
That aside, people trashing Schumacher's Batman and why it did poorly I would put on a number of things that don't relate to the how good or bad the film actually was such as a steady decline from the first which means the movie series didn't have that return appeal to begin with. You can also say that Burton put up an expectation which was different from Schumacher's so people reacted negatively. Further still It was '97 and we just started to move to this nonsensical grim and gritty "realism" crap which we only let slide when there was good comedy (such as in MIB) Then you have people that simply thought that Burton's Batman was more accurate and B:TAS was still the rage, when the fact is Schumacher's Batman is decently accurate to pre-1980s Batman as was the 1960s Adam West Batman.
Along with those things and probably many others, despite Clooney being considered a megastar for some reason, he doesn't look the part, he doesn't act the part, and he isn't as big a star as some people like to make him out to be, especially not to most anyone who has an interest in Batman... In fact I'd say he's a detractor to the movie and would have said it then if I were working on the film, because itis just so obvious that he would have put a lot of people off.
There are 4 ways in which an actor fills a role... Good for the role and entertain. Good for the role, but not entertaining. Bad for the role, but entertaining. Bad for the role and unentertaining.
Nick Cage as Superman = Bad for the role, but entertaining
Arnold as Mr Freeze = Bad but entertaining
Clooney as Batman = Bad and not entertaining
If you're entertaining, even if the portrayal is wrong people don't care that the portrayal is wrong most times... If you're portrayal is wrong it doesn't matter how good an actor you are people will not like you playing that role. That's why Arnold and Nick Cage get away with it while someone like Clooney could never.
As far as Bale's portrayal of the character... He did well with what he had. Could have done without the voice, but otherwise he did ok. It's just that Nolan's Batman doesn't get the character right in so many ways so yeah... The only reason Bale can shut up and go away as far as I am concerned is due to the cockiness of his statement, which to me reads as if he thinks Batman works only cuz of him, which to me is just dumb to begin with but even assuming that Nolan's Batman was good, he is still in the wrong thinking that he's a needed component to Batman being good.
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