@rustyroy said:
@anjales Didn't he also ask for Batwing's help and not just Kate's? And I don't know man but even Damian can beat the hell out Croc, Batman made Bane crap on his pants in the same series and he pretty much destroyed that cult which ruled Gotham for hundreds of years in a few weeks. Not lowballing Kate but not sure she can handle threats like Joker or Riddler. Gotham as a city is lot more dangerous than vampires and werewolves. Also, didn't she get equipments from her organization to beat those guys?
At the time I wrote this it was coming off the recent issue of B&R, and in that, The Robins were shown talking to Batwoman not Batwing (at least that's how I remember it) but in the recent issue of Robin Rises Alpha, Alfred mentioned that Batwing and Batwoman were doing well. And while Gotham is known as Batman's city, if you really thinking about it, Batman doesn't protect it all on his own. You have Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Batwing, Catwoman (pre-BE), Bluebird, and in Pre-New 52 you had Black Bat, Spoiler, Onyx, Huntress and the rest of the Birds of Prey, plus occasional visits from Red Hood, Nightwing (pre-Grayson) and Red Robin, and that's not even counting Corrigan and his "Gotham by Midnight" task force + the GCPD. In the case of Robin Rises, Batwing and Batwoman were handling all of Gotham on their own, and according to Alfred, they did a very good job.
While Croc has been portrayed as a jobber, fact is, she beat a well known Batman rogue, and to be fair, this was even a mutated and more powerful version of Croc (in that story there was some surreal mumbo jumbo that made Croc more reptilian, he was known as King Croc or something and had some fictional supernatural stuff backing him up). And are we really lowballing Bane just because of one low-end feat? Come on.. Bane being a formidable Batman villain is well documented, even post-Knightfall. Beating him is an impressive feat. A whole one-shot issue was dedicated to a fight between the two (recently in FE: Aftermath Batman vs Bane).
The cult I was speaking of was the one from Batman The Cult, the one led by Blackfire where Batman is horribly tortured, driven insane and almost killed. But the Court of Owls is another good example, Yes he beat them (I wouldn't say "destroyed" them since they are still around), but it was with extreme difficulty, and in "just a few weeks" doesn't make it more impressive. If it does, then Batwoman has outright destroyed cults in much less than that (and those guys pack some surreal elements, things that Bats rarely deals with).
Riddler and Joker are top tier Batman villains. Since we're using low end feats, Catwoman has beaten and humiliated Riddle many times. Even the Falcones made him crap his pants. Also, if Batman isn't around, Joker just wouldn't care to threaten Gotham, since he usually does this to attract Batman. We've seen Joker adopt different identities when Batman is assumed dead, as seen in Going Sane and during Grayson's tenure as Batman. And let's not pretend that Batman cakewalks all over these guys. And the ones he does, I honestly believe that Kate is capable of taking down Scarecrow, Clayface, Man-Bat, Zsazz (she did), Freeze, Ivy, Hatter, and Two-Face.
And finally, yes, she obtained some of her gear from the DEO, which gave her state of the art tech that rivals Batman's, and they became part of her standard gear which she continued to use during most of her series. And besides she was already doing fine against those guys before she obtained this tech. She was facing this type of villains way before the DEO.
@bat_girl_cc:
Yes she said that, but even after saying that, what did she proceed to do? Handle it like a boss, and despite the fact the she considered this to be out of her depth, she continues to deal with similar stuff. Fighting regular mooks is easy for her at this point. Also, she may have said that, out of humility, self-doubt or she was written that way because here she's the underdog and she's not used to team-up with Wonder Woman like Batman is. So yes it's understandable that she is a little awe-struck.
My argument here isn't that she's better, or even as good as Batman (I mean seriously, who is?). But, again she is capable of handling Gotham's date-to-day stuff. I just don't the way people are dismissing her, when she is actually stronger than some of the members of the main Bat-Family. Seriously, she once completely destroyed Batgirl (Babs) in combat, and both Batmen (Bruce and Grayson) have been impressed by her fighting ability. She has the skills, the resources, the attitude, the help (her father, Maggie Sawyer, and maybe even Alfred) and the willpower to do it.
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