Batman's religious views..

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#1 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm.

Never thought about it. Possibly Atheist?

#2 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he was raised Episcopalian/Catholic

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#3 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a question for all of you Batman fans out there. Does he believe in God? For some reason, Batman comes of as agnostic, to me (Doesn't know if God exists). What does everyone else think?

#4 Posted by iSHADOW (2269 posts) - - Show Bio

he's too cynical and enterprising to be religious.

#5 Posted by Charmcaster (5272 posts) - - Show Bio

He's Episcopalian/Catholic

#6 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Charmcaster says:

"He's Episcopalian/Catholic"

Big difference between an Episcopalian and a Catholic.

#7 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

So which one is it, Episcopalian or Catholic?

#8 Posted by Charmcaster (5272 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Charmcaster says:
"He's Episcopalian/Catholic"

The site says that he's split between Catholic and Episcopalian (His

mom was the former and his dad was the latter). But, in some scans, his

mother and father's gravesites have Christian crosses. Also, in the

future, Bruce's gravesite has a Christian cross as well. But just because his parents had a religious background doesn't mean he shares the same views.

The site also

says that his religious views vary with the writer. More often than

not, he seems very agnostic, to me. And, sometimes, athiest. And, I say

that because there have been times when people will try to explain the

existence of magic, mysticism, and religion. However, being the type of

person he is, he feels those things are non-existent, and says that

there's a explanation behind it, that it's something that cannot be

explained with science alone. That sounds very agnostic to me. He had

this discussion with Superman once, and with Zatanna about magic in the

last issue of Superman/Batman (when Superman encountered magic

kryptonite).

So, I don't know. He may have been depicted as being

religious in some stories depending on the writer, but based on the way

he carries himself, he seems very agnostic.
Post Edited:2008-04-15 18:28:49"

I see what your saying about his being agnostic. Also, if he was a catholic I feel like he wouldn't be so apt for vigilantism, if that makes any sense.

#10 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Charmcaster says:

"He's Episcopalian/Catholic"

The site says that he's split between Catholic and Episcopalian (His

mom was the former and his dad was the latter). But, in some scans, his

mother and father's gravesites have Christian crosses. Also, in the

future, Bruce's gravesite has a Christian cross as well. But just because his parents had a religious background doesn't mean he shares the same views.

The site also

says that his religious views vary with the writer. More often than

not, he seems very agnostic, to me. And, sometimes, athiest. And, I say

that because there have been times when people will try to explain the

existence of magic, mysticism, and religion. However, being the type of

person he is, he feels those things are non-existent, and says that

there's a explanation behind it, that it's something that cannot be

explained with science alone. That sounds very agnostic to me. He had

this discussion with Superman once, and with Zatanna about magic in the

last issue of Superman/Batman (when Superman encountered magic

kryptonite).

So, I don't know. He may have been depicted as being

religious in some stories depending on the writer, but based on the way

he carries himself, he seems very agnostic.
Post Edited:2008-04-15 18:28:49

#11 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it makes perfect sense.

#12 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing says:

"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"
#13 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"

"

That reminds me. There was a villain that told Batman that he would see him in Hell, and Batman said that he probably would see him there one day.

#14 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Nighthunter says:
"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"

"

That reminds me. There was a villain that told Batman that he would see him in Hell, and Batman said that he probably would see him there one day. "

remember the villain?

#15 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Nighthunter says:

"remember the villain?"

I'm thinking the Mad Hatter... I really don't remember. A lot of Batman's villains are psycopaths.

#16 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman must have some degree of belief in some sort of afterlife, as he has visited Heaven and Hell, hasn't he? With the rest of the JLA...I don't know, man. Not sure how much he thinks about it.

#17 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Nighthunter says:
"remember the villain?"

I'm thinking the Mad Hatter... I really don't remember. A lot of Batman's villains are psycopaths."

That's what makes him so interesting. Was it Ras?

#18 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

He talks to his dead parents too often for my liking if he's agnostic or atheist.

#19 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Gottheit says:

"Batman must have some degree of belief in some sort of afterlife, as he has visited Heaven and Hell, hasn't he? With the rest of the JLA...I don't know, man. Not sure how much he thinks about it."

What issue was this?

#20 Posted by zero edge (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Nighthunter says:
"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"

"

That reminds me. There was a villain that told Batman that he would see him in Hell, and Batman said that he probably would see him there one day. "

hey I remember this quote too, I forgot which villain also but when you brought up the Mad Hatter, it might be in the latest Mad Hatter story arc... not sure but for some reason this story came to mind.

#21 Posted by Knightwing (333 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice to see you in the Batman forums again Zero edge.

#22 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know enough about Daredevil, what do you mean>?

#23 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

@ Static Shock: Grant Morrison issues(I think...), it was in the '90s.

#24 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil is blind but he can see. everyone knew his identity long before Civil War, since he never knew when there were, like, 20 people in the room where he changed(blind, you see.) Really a strange character. He always made people stay where they are as he felt his way to the room to feel their face and pummel them, yet his villains never caught on that he was blind. It was really insulting that they expected us to believe all this. Seriously.

#25 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

I am reasonably sure Batman has always erred on the side of atheism in any book I've read with him. Being raised by parents of a religion doesn't automatically make you a disciple.

#26 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman. Agnostic. Fairly sure.

#27 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

Silence, infidel! Gottheit says what he wants.

#28 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"I am reasonably sure Batman has always erred on the side of atheism inany book I've read with him. Being raised by parents of a religiondoesn't automatically make you a disciple."

Agreed.

#29 Posted by The Black Warrior (8 posts) - - Show Bio

Whatever religion Batman's creators, Bob Kane and Bill Finger, and his designer, Kane, might have practiced, or whatever religion Bruce Wayne's parents might have been shown practicing in the comics, Batman could never really belong to any faith because all their emphases on forgiveness offend and outrage his sense of justice.

#30 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by knife (59 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman does believe in God but he also has read the New Testament in James where it says that faith without works is died. Which means that he believes in God but he knows he must help and do his part.

#32 Edited by likalaruku (759 posts) - - Show Bio
Midnight Lantern said:
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Hmm.

Never thought about it. Possibly Atheist?

"

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 Not likely, since he's the opposite of the Joker & the Joker is very likely atheist: No gods, no masters, no fears. It's not really appropriate for any fictional character to be affiliated with a religion. ::jabbs Nightcrawler hard in the chest::
#33 Posted by NightFang (9982 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"

Static Shock says:

"Nighthunter says:
"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"

"

That reminds me. There was a villain that told Batman that he would see him in Hell, and Batman said that he probably would see him there one day. "

remember the villain?

"
             I think it was the Joker in The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller.
#34 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

whatever he is I am sure he believes in the afterlife hes been through too much and seen too much not too

#35 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
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Nightwing says:

"My parents didn't much talk about god. Bruce never did. Though I'm sure he believed in the devil"
"
What issue was this?
#36 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

Hes Catholic I am sure of it.....
basic reason is the premise of the religon and his character......"Its a Guilt based religon" Unlike other christian faiths Catholics are not "saved" nor "reborn" they have to work on redemption till the day they die.

Now dont jump on me I am Catholic always have been.

#37 Posted by inferiorego (23163 posts) - - Show Bio

Saving Gotham city is a tad more important than worrying about a man in the sky

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#38 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio
knife said:
"Batman does believe in God but he also has read the New Testament in James where it says that faith without works is died. Which means that he believes in God but he knows he must help and do his part."

I remeber that too.
#39 Posted by King Saturn (224033 posts) - - Show Bio
Batman believes in the Almighty...
#40 Posted by inferiorego (23163 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and the quest for the holy grail... aka The Chalice... great read

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#41 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio
Midnight Lantern said:

Hmm.

Never thought about it. Possibly Atheist?


come on... please people, use some common sense...

Batman, whilst in the JLA has not only encountered The Specter, the right hand of God himself... but has also worked alongside, and became friends with Zauriel, an actual Angel, one of the original Host from heaven...

not only this, but during the "Heaven on Earth" arc... the JLA actually witnessed the Gates of Heaven opening...

i'd say that goes beyond having Faith in God Almighty, and becomes downright proof of his existence lol

if Batman doesn't believe in God, and lets face it, if he doesn't in the face of all that proof, he doesn't deserve to have the moniker of the Worlds Greatest Detective... more like the Worlds Greatest Idiot...

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#42 Posted by Oluf_Von_Host_Museum (84678 posts) - - Show Bio

Episcopalian/Christian (lapsed)

10 years in the future, Robin finds Bruce's grave. Its marked with a Christian Cross Headstone
Saying his prayers
Article from Newsweek
As Batman, praying.


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#43 Posted by King Saturn (224033 posts) - - Show Bio
Methos said:
"Midnight Lantern said:

Hmm.

Never thought about it. Possibly Atheist?


come on... please people, use some common sense...

Batman, whilst in the JLA has not only encountered The Specter, the right hand of God himself... but has also worked alongside, and became friends with Zauriel, an actual Angel, one of the original Host from heaven...

not only this, but during the "Heaven on Earth" arc... the JLA actually witnessed the Gates of Heaven opening...

i'd say that goes beyond having Faith in God Almighty, and becomes downright proof of his existence lol

if Batman doesn't believe in God, and lets face it, if he doesn't in the face of all that proof, he doesn't deserve to have the moniker of the Worlds Greatest Detective... more like the Worlds Greatest Idiot...

M"
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#44 Posted by V (735 posts) - - Show Bio
Gambler said:
"Episcopalian/Christian (lapsed)
Is he really? I had no idea.
#45 Posted by Oluf_Von_Host_Museum (84678 posts) - - Show Bio
V said:
"Gambler said:
"Episcopalian/Christian (lapsed)
Is he really? I had no idea."
I dont believe he's ever come right out and said. But theres more then enough circumstantial evidence to back it up.
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#46 Posted by V (735 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess I have something in common with him afterall

#47 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah he believes in Christ.

#48 Posted by V (735 posts) - - Show Bio
Lantern Prime said:

Yeah he believes in Christ.

Yes Episcopalians do.
#49 Posted by warlock360 (28050 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
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#50 Posted by clockworkcanary (62 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally believe in separation of church and comics :)

Seriously, I think Batman, having travelled the world and been exposed to numerous cultures and lifestyles would most likely have a respect for all religions, using aspects of all philosophies that help him become a better crime fighter. I imagine he would partake in some elements of the Eastern religions.

IMO though, comics shouldn't deal overly too much with religion unless it's central to the core of a character's personality (such as Nightcrawler for example).

And just a side note, Joker could well be of any religion. I've seen some posts on fstdt (fundies say the darndest things) that are ten times crazier than anything the Joker could come up with.  I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the demonization of Atheists either by claiming Joker is one because he is evil and crazy. Just because some people haven't been convinced of any of them doesn't make them evil.

I personally think Joker is a Scientologist though :)  And I swear I saw Aquaman at the airport pushing Islam last week!

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