Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Batman is an "ineffectual" vigilante because he exists in a world where the Legal System is completely ineffectual. It's not Batman's duty to kill criminals, the only reason he captures and stops them is because the police are so incompetent the entire city would be totally FUBAR without him. Batman brings them in, the courts let them go. Simple as that. Just like the real world. "
yea but he doesn't do anything when he is being Bruce Wayne, He could easily pay the the construction of a new penitentiary with state of the art security and surveillance and hire all the people himself. (could even be other superheroes) to keep them away as well as become part of the judicial system or part of government. At least Oliver Queen became mayor to try to clean up his town.
This is how it would go down
or Batman's most advanced suit to fight superman one punch and the suit comes off and batman is out makes sure he is still alive so he can torture him again later.
Batman is an "ineffectual" vigilante because he exists in a world where the Legal System is completely ineffectual. It's not Batman's duty to kill criminals, the only reason he captures and stops them is because the police are so incompetent the entire city would be totally FUBAR without him. Batman brings them in, the courts let them go. Simple as that. Just like the real world. "
yea but he doesn't do anything when he is being Bruce Wayne, He could easily pay the the construction of a new penitentiary with state of the art security and surveillance and hire all the people himself. (could even be other superheroes) to keep them away as well as become part of the judicial system or part of government. At least Oliver Queen became mayor to try to clean up his town.
This is how it would go down
or Batman's most advanced suit to fight superman one punch and the suit comes off and batman is out makes sure he is still alive so he can torture him again later. "
Well, Martian Manhunter lived through his plan. So he isn't always right.
Anyway, he just seems like an ineffectual vigilante because all of his villains are so popular the writers keep bringing them back. He's actually pretty good. It's like there's been a huge drop in normal crime, so the only thing that survives is the ultra-crazies.
"anyone? i 'd really like to know how he would beat the flash "
He studied Flash's vibrational cycle to get a device to vibrate on the same frequency. He can put it in a device/weapon to use on Flash so that if Flash tries to vibrate throught it.... he can't. In tower of Babel Ra's al Ghul stole Bat's files and used them on the JLA. Flash tried to phase through a bullet, but it lodged in his spine instead and flash remained in a state of having light-speed seizures.
There was a psychological lock on Wonder Woman (via a virtual helmet, or any form of telepathic mimicry) in which she fought an opponent in her mind that was equal to her in every way, herself. She never backs out in a fight and this would use her will against her as she would be in endless combat tiring herself out and never winning.
He synthecized a new kryptonite that was experimental, he tested on Daxamite cells which were the closest to Kryptonian, and said the results could be devastating, and that if he ever had to use it on Supes he didn't want to look him in the eye. This red K causes Kryptonian cells to become translucent alowing all form of radiation/UV light/X-rays, to penetrate through Supes body, muscles, and veins in excruciating and debilitating pain, far more thna normal K.
He said fire was MM's weakness but it would only annoy him for the moment, so he created a formula that turns the entire outer layer of MM's skin flammable to the atmosphere to keep him in perpettual burning. He said he doesn't know what J'onn would do if he found these plans in his mind, so he hypnotized himself of his own information and had a post-hypnotic suggestion trigger to bring it back to his memory if need be.
He has others, but those are some of the good ones.
J'onn J'onzz is covered with nanites that convert the outer layer of his skin into magnesium, causing him to burst into fire- his greatest weakness- upon exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting until he can shed enough skin cells to function normally. Batman didn't anticipate this strategy because he never expected J'onn to survive so long.
Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin; without water, he would die in a matter of hours. J'onn uses his telepathy to help him overcome the effects of the toxin.
Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's' henchmen. Afterward, Flash reassembles him, allowing Plastic Man to recover.
Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring from a post-hypnotic suggestion introduced in his sleep; as an artist, Kyle is unable to function without his vision to guide the ring's power, but he is able to overcome the post-hypnotic suggestion after his ring is temporarily removed and the methods behind the attack are explained to him.
Thanks to a nanite injected into her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle against an opponent who she cannot defeat and is her equal in every way; her refusal to surrender under any circumstance would eventually cause her heart to fail. The nanite is removed after her teammates recover.
A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at light speed before it is removed; although only exposed to the weapon for 22 minutes, Wally's relativistic speed makes the experience feel like months.
Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to red Kryptonite, an artificial creation of Batman's made by exposing a green kryptonite sample to radiation. As Superman is powered by solar energy, his skin's transparency causes a sensory overload by his internal organs' direct exposure to sunlight without his skin as a proper solar filter.
" @AtPhantom: Lol, yeah. But it seems like he was the one who lived through his plan with the least help from others that lived through his plan first. "
Yea, MM's just wore off because Martians shed their skin, the others were helped later. These plans were in the making so Bats is probably still developing and improving stuff... as everyone keeps hinting at in comics......
"Yet he has no comparable contingency plans for keeping his own rogues from escaping every week and going on killing sprees... Batman has some strange priorities. "
If you could hit Flash with a bullet to the spine to begin with it wouldn't matter if it was a special vibrational bullet or not. It's not like Flash typically deals with bullets by going intangible... he can dodge out of the way, pick up an object and block, pluck them out of the air, or speed steal them to cause them to drop harmlessly to the ground with no kinetic energy. Not to mention even if he was planning to phase, you'd need to get the drop on Flash so that he does phase as oppose to keep you from shooting your bullet at all.
"My anti-Iron Man contingency plan is to slit his throat, aren't I clever?" "Huh? But what about his armor?" "Never you mind that, his throat is vulnerable to knives!" "Wouldn't his armor prevent you from reaching his throat?" "Then you get him out of the armor, get around it, or catch him when he's not in it!" "Isn't that the hard part?! If you had that then wouldn't anything work then?" "What's your point? My contingency totally takes out Iron Man!" "....sigh."
This is anti-Flash plan is the same nonsense. It's basically a plan for attacking Flash when he isn't using his defenses (save one) to avoid or stop the attack... unrealistically ripping away his "armor".
If you could hit Flash with a bullet to the spine to begin with it wouldn't matter if it was a special vibrational bullet or not. It's not like Flash typically deals with bullets by going intangible... he can dodge out of the way, pick up an object and block, pluck them out of the air, or speed steal them to cause them to drop harmlessly to the ground with no kinetic energy. Not to mention even if he was planning to phase, you'd need to get the drop on Flash so that he does phase as oppose to keep you from shooting your bullet at all. "My anti-Iron Man contingency plan is to slit his throat, aren't I clever?" "Huh? But what about his armor?" "Never you mind that, his throat is vulnerable to knives!" "Wouldn't his armor prevent you from reaching his throat?" "Then you get him out of the armor, get around it, or catch him when he's not in it!" "Isn't that the hard part?! If you had that then wouldn't anything work then?""What's your point? My contingency totally takes out Iron Man!" "....sigh." This is anti-Flash plan is the same nonsense. It's basically a plan for attacking Flash when he isn't using his defenses (save one) to avoid or stop the attack... unrealistically ripping away his "armor". "
@Korg: People breaking out is not Batman's fault he is not the judicial system he can not take away their rights and chain them to the floor. His rogues are all insane and the system puts them in Arkham and than it is in Arkham's hands to put him their same as Blackgate. Batman's rogues who do not have the insanity plea are insanely rich and can buy their way out of the corrupt Gotham system. Batman has donated and given to the best of his abilities devices and ways to keep people in that do not in anyway harm their civil rights as technically being human. Batman has a code to live by he does not kill and he brings the criminals in and than he just lets the system do the work. Don't say it's his fault when it's the systems. Batman shows character for showing he is above criminals by not killing or holding people against their will.
J'onn J'onzz is covered with nanites that convert the outer layer of his skin into magnesium, causing him to burst into fire- his greatest weakness- upon exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting until he can shed enough skin cells to function normally. Batman didn't anticipate this strategy because he never expected J'onn to survive so long.
Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin; without water, he would die in a matter of hours. J'onn uses his telepathy to help him overcome the effects of the toxin.
Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's' henchmen. Afterward, Flash reassembles him, allowing Plastic Man to recover.
Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring from a post-hypnotic suggestion introduced in his sleep; as an artist, Kyle is unable to function without his vision to guide the ring's power, but he is able to overcome the post-hypnotic suggestion after his ring is temporarily removed and the methods behind the attack are explained to him.
Thanks to a nanite injected into her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle against an opponent who she cannot defeat and is her equal in every way; her refusal to surrender under any circumstance would eventually cause her heart to fail. The nanite is removed after her teammates recover.
A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at light speed before it is removed; although only exposed to the weapon for 22 minutes, Wally's relativistic speed makes the experience feel like months.
Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to red Kryptonite, an artificial creation of Batman's made by exposing a green kryptonite sample to radiation. As Superman is powered by solar energy, his skin's transparency causes a sensory overload by his internal organs' direct exposure to sunlight without his skin as a proper solar filter.
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Nice. Wasn't Batman entrusted with a ring of Kryptonite be Superman?
If you could hit Flash with a bullet to the spine to begin with it wouldn't matter if it was a special vibrational bullet or not. It's not like Flash typically deals with bullets by going intangible... he can dodge out of the way, pick up an object and block, pluck them out of the air, or speed steal them to cause them to drop harmlessly to the ground with no kinetic energy. Not to mention even if he was planning to phase, you'd need to get the drop on Flash so that he does phase as oppose to keep you from shooting your bullet at all. "My anti-Iron Man contingency plan is to slit his throat, aren't I clever?" "Huh? But what about his armor?" "Never you mind that, his throat is vulnerable to knives!" "Wouldn't his armor prevent you from reaching his throat?" "Then you get him out of the armor, get around it, or catch him when he's not in it!" "Isn't that the hard part?! If you had that then wouldn't anything work then?""What's your point? My contingency totally takes out Iron Man!" "....sigh." This is anti-Flash plan is the same nonsense. It's basically a plan for attacking Flash when he isn't using his defenses (save one) to avoid or stop the attack... unrealistically ripping away his "armor". "
"Nice. Wasn't Batman entrusted with a ring of Kryptonite be Superman? "
Yes, but the plan wasn't executed by Batman... so it could be argued they didn't have access to that property, despite having access to all his other tech and plans.
Most of the plans suck. The incapacitation lasted less than an issue for most.
The anti-Superman plan didn't exactly work... Superman was able to still use his powers with surgical accuracy to remove the bullet from Flash. Moreover, it's never explained why Superman couldn't just put more clothes on... the only bits exposed to direct sunlight was his hands and face. Wonder Woman is the Goddess of Truth (note the lasso) and has even been written as seeing through illusions, lies, and other falsehoods... but this time a VR simulation took her down.
The plans are heavily technologically dependent so it's not like they're useful to humans in general if the JLA as a whole went rogue (including Batman) and likewise easily traced back to Batman because of many of the dependencies involved (fear toxin, hypnotic suggestion, etc.) meaning it paints a big target on him (and all his Bat Family) if the other JLAers actually went rogue and most of the plans require other JLAers to be undone (and likewise can easily be undone by other JLAers) which means if the JLA went rogue the plans wouldn't stop them and if they haven't went rogue and J'onn or Superman or Flash, etc. is necessary for undoing the plan, then why doesn't your reasonable plan include J'onn or Superman or Flash in it?! Surely having Flash speed steal Plastic Man is a better and safer alternative to shattering him and needing Flash to reassemble him later! Surely having J'onn telepathically cause Kyle to black out is preferable to leaving a hypnotic time bomb in his brain that requires J'onn to remove!
The plans are trash.
I mean how is "synthetic kryptonite" a plan? That's like saying every villain who has ever come at Superman with plain old green kryptonite is as brilliant as Batman. A weapon- even an effective one- isn't a plan... a plan is how to deliver, execute, and guarantee results and as Superman's long history with Kryptonite proves, merely having a rock is not a guarantee.
If you could hit Flash with a bullet to the spine to begin with it wouldn't matter if it was a special vibrational bullet or not. It's not like Flash typically deals with bullets by going intangible... he can dodge out of the way, pick up an object and block, pluck them out of the air, or speed steal them to cause them to drop harmlessly to the ground with no kinetic energy. Not to mention even if he was planning to phase, you'd need to get the drop on Flash so that he does phase as oppose to keep you from shooting your bullet at all. "My anti-Iron Man contingency plan is to slit his throat, aren't I clever?" "Huh? But what about his armor?" "Never you mind that, his throat is vulnerable to knives!" "Wouldn't his armor prevent you from reaching his throat?" "Then you get him out of the armor, get around it, or catch him when he's not in it!" "Isn't that the hard part?! If you had that then wouldn't anything work then?""What's your point? My contingency totally takes out Iron Man!" "....sigh." This is anti-Flash plan is the same nonsense. It's basically a plan for attacking Flash when he isn't using his defenses (save one) to avoid or stop the attack... unrealistically ripping away his "armor". "
Duh. I'm indicting the "isn't the plan so clever" bit when anyone can plainly see it's a stupid plan. That it "worked" just means the writing was stupid. "
Flash was busy and didn't see the bullet in advance so it's logical that he would attempt to vibrate so it would pass through him.
J'onn J'onzz is covered with nanites that convert the outer layer of his skin into magnesium, causing him to burst into fire- his greatest weakness- upon exposure to air. He later survives by wearing an airtight water-filled suit provided by Aquaman, then waiting until he can shed enough skin cells to function normally. Batman didn't anticipate this strategy because he never expected J'onn to survive so long.
Aquaman is rendered hydrophobic due to an altered form of the Scarecrow's fear toxin; without water, he would die in a matter of hours. J'onn uses his telepathy to help him overcome the effects of the toxin.
Plastic Man is frozen solid, then shattered by a hammer by one of Ra's' henchmen. Afterward, Flash reassembles him, allowing Plastic Man to recover.
Green Lantern is rendered blind by his own power ring from a post-hypnotic suggestion introduced in his sleep; as an artist, Kyle is unable to function without his vision to guide the ring's power, but he is able to overcome the post-hypnotic suggestion after his ring is temporarily removed and the methods behind the attack are explained to him.
Thanks to a nanite injected into her ear, Wonder Woman is trapped in a virtual reality battle against an opponent who she cannot defeat and is her equal in every way; her refusal to surrender under any circumstance would eventually cause her heart to fail. The nanite is removed after her teammates recover.
A specially designed "vibra-bullet" strikes Flash in the back of the neck, causing him to experience seizures at light speed before it is removed; although only exposed to the weapon for 22 minutes, Wally's relativistic speed makes the experience feel like months.
Superman's skin becomes transparent after exposure to red Kryptonite, an artificial creation of Batman's made by exposing a green kryptonite sample to radiation. As Superman is powered by solar energy, his skin's transparency causes a sensory overload by his internal organs' direct exposure to sunlight without his skin as a proper solar filter.
Duh. I'm indicting the "isn't the plan so clever" bit when anyone can plainly see it's a stupid plan. That it "worked" just means the writing was stupid. "
Flash was busy and didn't see the bullet in advance so it's logical that he would attempt to vibrate so it would pass through him. "
That's like saying, "Tony was taken out of his armor and his flesh is softer than metal so it's logical that he wouldn't be able to stop a knife from cutting his throat."
The whole issue is getting to the point that the bullet "hits" Wally, or the knife touches Tony's throat, etc. Skipping to the end isn't logical when the beginning is stupid.
In order to shoot Wally they had to kick down the door, file in, pose, yell "FIRE ONE!", and actually shoot just to stun Wally for the bullet to hit. How is any of that first part reasonable? If you can get the drop on The Flash just by busting into a room, then you don't need a stun gun or a special bullet... if surprised and bullets worked, Flash would've been dead a long time ago.
Again, this is like calling synthetic kryptonite "a plan"... in that case it's just a weapon, in this case it's a just a conclusion (written backwards to appear like a plan).
Think about how stupid this plan is from Batman's perspective. Not only do you have to get the drop on the Flash in a way that none of his rogues seem capable of accomplishing and need to render him completely defenseless before you can deploy your specialized bullet, you need for Flash to recover at exactly the right time. If Flash recovers too fast or plays possum, he'll blitz you after the stun. If Flash recovers too late and you shoot a bloody bullet into his spinewithout Flash vibrating, you've just killed The Flash... which is obviously not Batman's intent.
@Son_of_Magnus: Batman isn't a cop either, but he still captures these people. He also routinely violates their rights. He often uses excessive force and illegal weapons to subdue them. Then he pawns these supervillains off on a system which doesn't work, making him every bit as guilty, incompetent, and ineffectual as anyone else involved in Gotham's judicial process, if not more so.
Ok so he made the plan for everyone else, then hypnotized himself to forget it so MM couldn't read his mind. He also had something to trigger the memory of the plan in case someone went rogue. I guess he could make one for himself and do the same thing so he wouldn't remember, but once he triggered the memory for his, he'd also know how to escape it, rendering it useless. So in reality, Batman's contingency for himself would be the JLA themselves. If he went rogue, the JLA would all come to bring him in, and the only way he'd be able to win is if he activated their contingency plans. With that in mind, MM would be right there, reading his mind, and as soon as Batman would remember, MM would warn everyone. They're all needed to undo each other's contingent, and with all of them together, it wouldn't be an issue. Batman would then be screwed, so to speak..........
Hope this answers, and sorry for the longness lol.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. In Tower of Babel and also JL Doom, which is the animated movie, Batman tells the JLA about the contingency plan after Mirror Master steals it for Ra's Al Ghul. Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman are in disbelief and Superman says, "We'd never do that to you." and Batman says "Then you're damned fools."
Batman: I've carefully studied every Justice Leaguer, past and present and created contingency plans to neutralize you should that become necessary.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. In Tower of Babel and also JL Doom, which is the animated movie, Batman tells the JLA about the contingency plan after Mirror Master steals it for Ra's Al Ghul. Superman, Flash, and Wonder Woman are in disbelief and Superman says, "We'd never do that to you." and Batman says "Then you're damned fools."
Batman: I've carefully studied every Justice Leaguer, past and present and created contingency plans to neutralize you should that become necessary.
"Yet he has no comparable contingency plans for keeping his own rogues from escaping every week and going on killing sprees... Batman has some strange priorities. "
@Ziccarra_Liafador: You don't need powers to be a hero. Placing ones life in danger to help a complete stranger qualifies. Offering money to starving familes, giving blood to a dying child you've never met. There are many way's a ''normal" person can be a hero. As for Batman spending more time thinking of how to stop the supers. Whos more dangerous? The dude who might set a few bombs killing hunndrends..or the dude or woman who can circle the globe in seconds killing millions?
Duh. I'm indicting the "isn't the plan so clever" bit when anyone can plainly see it's a stupid plan. That it "worked" just means the writing was stupid. "
Flash was busy and didn't see the bullet in advance so it's logical that he would attempt to vibrate so it would pass through him. "
That's like saying, "Tony was taken out of his armor and his flesh is softer than metal so it's logical that he wouldn't be able to stop a knife from cutting his throat."
The whole issue is getting to the point that the bullet "hits" Wally, or the knife touches Tony's throat, etc. Skipping to the end isn't logical when the beginning is stupid.
In order to shoot Wally they had to kick down the door, file in, pose, yell "FIRE ONE!", and actually shoot just to stun Wally for the bullet to hit. How is any of that first part reasonable? If you can get the drop on The Flash just by busting into a room, then you don't need a stun gun or a special bullet... if surprised and bullets worked, Flash would've been dead a long time ago.
Again, this is like calling synthetic kryptonite "a plan"... in that case it's just a weapon, in this case it's a just a conclusion (written backwards to appear like a plan).
Think about how stupid this plan is from Batman's perspective. Not only do you have to get the drop on the Flash in a way that none of his rogues seem capable of accomplishing and need to render him completely defenseless before you can deploy your specialized bullet, you need for Flash to recover at exactly the right time. If Flash recovers too fast or plays possum, he'll blitz you after the stun. If Flash recovers too late and you shoot a bloody bullet into his spinewithout Flash vibrating, you've just killed The Flash... which is obviously not Batman's intent.
It's a ridiculous plan!
Comics (and media) are full of plans that require special circumstances. Even if Rambo knew who he was supposed to kill he couldn't just march in the camp (as badass he is). Even with his own rogues Batman has regularly waited for the right opportunity to strike. Likewise of course it would be really tough to hit Flash when he is at his best alerted and running around. But he is often relaxed and vulnerable. If Flash was as superior as some like to think there would be no comic because he would be invincible. Echoes from the era when Superman was considered boring because nothing could get to him.
Another thing I get from the list is that those are plans against individuals. Chances are (barring some big Darkseid mind control wave) that only one or two would go rogue. That is manageable planning and at least hinder the target long enough to make follow-up plans. Likewise he counts that in case he goes mad the JLA will take him down. But if you have to consider also that who might be assisting who and when the planning becomes borderline impossible. What if Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern walk into Darkseid's lair where coincidentally Brainiac and Grodd are also visiting and the former heroes call for an alliance to destroy the universe. Or simply Superman became crazy in front of Batman's eyes and killed him there, meaning even if someone else knew about the plan they might never find the necessary resourced hidden in the nooks of Batcave. A couple of possibilities out of trillions.
Plus since the plan wasn't executed by the man himself some holes in execution make sense.
Batmans both plans to defeat flash don't work. First how is he going to be alive in time to shoot the bulet. Flash is not an idiot and would see the bullet vibrate. Second why can't flash just kill batman int eh justice buster before the friction proof thing went on the floor
@eto Batman's contingency plans probably would not work for pre-new52 flash mostly because you can't track a guy faster then light. And the friction-proof stuff will hit the ground in enough time for flash to phase into the suit and really beat the crap out of batman.
@okperson: because the Justice buster was made by all members of the league. Supes, WW, Aquaman put everything in to it.
I can provide scans if you want?
I think you;re confusing the Justice Buster and the HelBat suit up. HelBat was made by the league's combined efforts, I dont think the Justice Buster was.
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