BATMAN: ZERO YEAR Announced

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#51 Posted by adamrcorrigan (22 posts) - - Show Bio

@shackle: I couldn't agree more. This character has run his course and become, dull, self important and over used. Kill Bruce and see a dozen titles suddenly get more interesting. And for those die-hard Batman fans. Re-release old titles with updated artwork; there are loads of great stories that many younger fans haven't read. These do no need to be re-hashed just given a make-over. Oh well, suppose I'll take a look in a years time and see if anything interesting is going to happen in the Batman, sorry I meant DC universe...

#52 Posted by adamrcorrigan (22 posts) - - Show Bio

How is year one, not in actuality, year zero. Snyder needs to try something original. Bruce Wayne getting arrested and spending time in prison would make a good story or maybe a war of his major enemies, where only one survives. Something that doesn't get to the end of the story and make you go "Huh, so back to the status quo then...:

#53 Posted by saoakden (1018 posts) - - Show Bio

Should be interesting. I thought Mad Hatter it was going to be a Mad Hatter story. Maybe he might be involved half way through the story. Still looking forward to Scott Snyder's Batman.

#54 Posted by Dedpool (299 posts) - - Show Bio

Bout time! I still think a 52 like series would be better for the whole New 52 timeline as a whole.

#55 Posted by Lvenger (18295 posts) - - Show Bio

At least this will give the other titles time to breathe for a while. But why does Snyder feel the need to tell another Batman origin story when Year One works so well? It does make sense in continuing on from Batman 0. I'll give Snyder the benefit of the doubt for now and see how this works out.

#56 Posted by wessaari (622 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like the premise of Zero Year, and it is going to be a huge gamble and I know that Scott and Greg are up for it. This is something that this character neeeds in the new 52, and for Snyder to be the one to realize it and put what he says is his best work in it, well damn it there is no way I can miss this.

#58 Posted by dreamfall31 (523 posts) - - Show Bio

So is #21 just the first issue of Zero Year then the rest of the Batman series goes back to present continuity, with Year Zero being a seperate monthly book? Or will Batman be Zero Year for a whole year issues #21-32??

#59 Posted by XxHeavyRainxX (35 posts) - - Show Bio

If it were any other writer I'd be skeptical, but after Night of the Owls and Death of the Family, I trust this dude nearly implicitly.

#60 Posted by nappystr8 (1030 posts) - - Show Bio

@Impala said:

11 issues? Isn't that little too much for a story like this.

Agreed. Had this been the arc they opened the book with, I would be fine with it being 11 issues, but since we will have been dealing with the current day for 20 issues by the time this story starts, it really feels like going back in time for a whole year's worth of story will really break-up the narrative. Not to mention that the more they highlight thel fact that Batman has only been around for six years, the less sense his timeline makes.

Had this been 2 or 3 issues I would have gladly welcomed another peak into the past of the New 52, but for 11 issues? I'm out.

#61 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@XxHeavyRainxX said:

If it were any other writer I'd be skeptical, but after Night of the Owls and Death of the Family, I trust this dude nearly implicitly.

I agree...smh around here, I've loved Snyder and Capullo so far on Batman. Both arcs delivered great stories, challenged Batman, but didn't try to deliver some earth-shattering change. That's exactly what good comic books do. I'm stoked.

#62 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

Jesus Christ, you have got to be kidding me. Their biggest story of the year is an origin yarn? I... I really don't know what you're doing at all anymore, Snyder. Unless the plan is to just completely rewrite Batman's origin and generate sales with the rage, I don't see the point. And even if you do manage to do that, they will bottom out after the general fandom realizes you've jerked one of their most beloved character's origin around.

#63 Posted by bob808 (6756 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't Wait!

#64 Posted by SUNMAN (7141 posts) - - Show Bio

pass

#65 Posted by Batnandez (511 posts) - - Show Bio

@ObsideonDarman: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

#66 Posted by LeaderVladimir (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Great!

#67 Posted by Green ankh (998 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Flashpoint was an event that just tweeked the DCU not altered it from the core. And it soulds like another thing 10 years down the road they'll have to "fix"

#68 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3666 posts) - - Show Bio

So we're going all the way back to the begining..or before year one?

#69 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@StMichalofWilson: Doesn't matter. Just another origin story. Let me spoil the whole thing for you.

Bruce Wayne exits a theater with his parents. There is a disheveled hobo outside who may or may not be called Joe Chill in this universe. Regardless of his nomenclature, though, he will be there, and he will have a gun. Which he will first use to rob the Waynes, then senselessly murder them. It can be argued that it is at this exact moment that the Batman is born in the young Wayne's eyes. He will then go off the grid for an indeterminate number of years, mastering the world's fighting styles and training his mind, so that he can return to Gotham as the Caped Crusader. The end.
#70 Posted by HoodlumNoHavoc (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously the continuation from the zero issue months ago. I'm kind of not looking forward to such a long arc again. One of the cons of only coming out once a month. The story line is too long to keep up the momentum. Even though I love Snyder's works, it's going to unfortunately drag on.

#71 Posted by FlashKnight (448 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm really excited for this, since I'm a new comics fan and the only ones I have read have been New 52. Anyone else have a similar viewpoint?

#72 Posted by wdchefdave (136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trodorne: Bet you are right.

It doesn't need to be boring... but, Superman... Spider-man... Captain America have "easy" origins.

How many times must they be messed with?!?

yawn.

#73 Posted by chalkshark (1182 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure it will be a good read, but while they're filling in the blanks for an entire year, the book will be at a standstill regarding forward progress. A move that seems counterproductive to the mission statement of the "new"52 initiative.

#74 Posted by ptigrusmagus (483 posts) - - Show Bio

FlashKnight: We're in the same boat.

#75 Posted by bloggerboy (536 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sure Snyder and Capullo will have an interesting story to tell but the timeline...I'm just not interested in it. Not anymore. The New 52 should have started from these stories.

It's confusing when the "first" meeting between Batman and Superman from Justice League #1 turns out to be false and there's a Batman/Superman book coming that will have the "real" first meeting. It's just confusing and not thought out.

In short I'm more interested in post DotF Batman than Year Zero/One whatever Batman.

#76 Posted by Fantasgasmic (1071 posts) - - Show Bio

I am trepidatious. Batman Year One was really good, and the only retcons to it I've seen is awful (Kevin Smith made Batman pee himself).

In my mind, a Year Zero wouldn't have him facing off with any supervillains. Year One was all about the Mafia, and the idea that the supervillains didn't get a foothold until organized crime lost its stranglehold on the city, and there was a power vacuum. Also, "Year Zero" makes almost no sense whatsoever as a concept. Year One didn't start with Bruce putting on the cowl, it started with him coming back to Gotham (at the end of the first issue, he made the decision to become a bat. So having the cave before Year One also makes little sense.

If Snyder wants to show us a Batman Origin story fitting into the New52, he should show us Bruce's travels around the world training. The "Missing Years" as it were. We saw a little of it in some of the Zero issues, but we know he trained with Henri Ducard and his son from the Nobody arc in Batman and Robin. Those are the stories I think would be good to tell; they would add to the Batman origin, without completely rewriting it and retelling/changing the same old stories over and over again.

#77 Posted by joshmightbe (24601 posts) - - Show Bio

How he built the Batcave? Yes that's exactly what comic book readers love construction logistics.

#78 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

@mbembet said:

lol glad i dropped this book long time ago snyder is fucking overrated

Nope nope nope

#79 Posted by TeamUnitedNerds (402 posts) - - Show Bio

I approve. The only thing is, this makes me slightly paranoid that Snyder will become a wannabe Frank Miller. And Frank Miller nowadays is basically a wannabe Frank Miller

#80 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@TeamUnitedNerds: He really is, though.

#81 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fantasgasmic said:

I am trepidatious. Batman Year One was really good, and the only retcons to it I've seen is awful (Kevin Smith made Batman pee himself).

In my mind, a Year Zero wouldn't have him facing off with any supervillains. Year One was all about the Mafia, and the idea that the supervillains didn't get a foothold until organized crime lost its stranglehold on the city, and there was a power vacuum. Also, "Year Zero" makes almost no sense whatsoever as a concept. Year One didn't start with Bruce putting on the cowl, it started with him coming back to Gotham (at the end of the first issue, he made the decision to become a bat. So having the cave before Year One also makes little sense.

If Snyder wants to show us a Batman Origin story fitting into the New52, he should show us Bruce's travels around the world training. The "Missing Years" as it were. We saw a little of it in some of the Zero issues, but we know he trained with Henri Ducard and his son from the Nobody arc in Batman and Robin. Those are the stories I think would be good to tell; they would add to the Batman origin, without completely rewriting it and retelling/changing the same old stories over and over again.

Year Zero makes perfect sense - it's the time before Bruce returns to Gotham (as you said yourself, Year One was the first year with the Cape and Cowl in Gotham).

Something everyone seems to be missing here (at least the people hating on the idea) is this isn't going to retcon anything about Year One - this is the period of time BEFORE Year One that really has never had a lot of time dedicated to it in comics before. Stop whining and complaining, especially if you can't conceptualize what time period Year Zero would encapsulate. I, for one, am incredibly interested in seeing where Bruce went and who he specifically learned from during that year, and really you should only be complaining if you know the incredibly specific details to those points already (which you don't, because it hasn't ever been told in detail).

#82 Posted by danhimself (22278 posts) - - Show Bio

@End_Boss said:

@StMichalofWilson: Doesn't matter. Just another origin story. Let me spoil the whole thing for you.

Bruce Wayne exits a theater with his parents. There is a disheveled hobo outside who may or may not be called Joe Chill in this universe. Regardless of his nomenclature, though, he will be there, and he will have a gun. Which he will first use to rob the Waynes, then senselessly murder them. It can be argued that it is at this exact moment that the Batman is born in the young Wayne's eyes. He will then go off the grid for an indeterminate number of years, mastering the world's fighting styles and training his mind, so that he can return to Gotham as the Caped Crusader. The end.

you didn't read the article did you?

#83 Posted by dreamfall31 (523 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

How he built the Batcave? Yes that's exactly what comic book readers love construction logistics.

I'd like to know how he put that thing together! I mean it'd just be him and possinly Alfred doing the hard work right? At least in the Nolan movies the Batcave was never more than some computers and few storage places. The comics always have it constructed to seem like he'd need years if he built it on his own!

#84 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's hope Snyder will do something good.

#85 Posted by doombot890 (215 posts) - - Show Bio

if anyone else were to do this i'd have a fit. but this.

I'll allow it

#86 Posted by Reignmaker (2227 posts) - - Show Bio

@BR_Havoc said:

Well let me guess this will be a long ass 11 issue run. That starts slow builds nicely then has an ending that feels like it was thrown together in about 5 minutes. DC just loves to give us the same crap we have already seen 1000 times before and this is no different.

And we'll be there each month - eagerly parting with our money. No different.

#87 Posted by ADAMocracy (132 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm Batmans new origin... Im gonna go on a wild guess and say... his parents die in front of him... he runs away learns 120 forms of combat in less than 10 years and then becomes batman... just guessing here.

#88 Posted by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: Yep. Just re-read it to make sure I didn't miss anything important. I didn't.

#89 Posted by BR_Havoc (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@End_Boss said:

@TeamUnitedNerds: He really is, though.

I have to agree with this. Snyder is a good writer but he is not great. He fails to develop characters and it seems he almost wants every Batman character to be one dimensional. I wonder how he will do with Superman a character that has to have more depth then Batman?

#90 Posted by joshmightbe (24601 posts) - - Show Bio

@dreamfall31: The problem is that there's no way that the complex construction of the Batcave by a small number of people could actually make any sense given the time frame.

#91 Posted by havoc1201 (491 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

Year Zero makes perfect sense - it's the time before Bruce returns to Gotham (as you said yourself, Year One was the first year with the Cape and Cowl in Gotham).

Something everyone seems to be missing here (at least the people hating on the idea) is this isn't going to retcon anything about Year One - this is the period of time BEFORE Year One that really has never had a lot of time dedicated to it in comics before. Stop whining and complaining, especially if you can't conceptualize what time period Year Zero would encapsulate. I, for one, am incredibly interested in seeing where Bruce went and who he specifically learned from during that year, and really you should only be complaining if you know the incredibly specific details to those points already (which you don't, because it hasn't ever been told in detail).

QFT my friend

#92 Posted by cc1738 (358 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm getting this.

#93 Posted by BR_Havoc (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker: Honestly I have not bought a Batman issue since they reintroduced Freeze and did a horrible job making him another throw away rogue for Batman to beat up on for an issue or two.

#94 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@BR_Havoc said:

@Reignmaker: Honestly I have not bought a Batman issue since they reintroduced Freeze and did a horrible job making him another throw away rogue for Batman to beat up on for an issue or two.

I found Freeze's new story to be way deeper. They took the old MO that Freeze had and turned it into a figment of his (psychotic) imagination, which means not only is Batman dealing with an incredibly intelligent scientist hellbent on saving his wife, but he's doing that while simultaneously trying to convince Freeze it's not reality. Ever try to convince someone who was love stricken that it's all in their head? Can be harder to do than just beating someone up. Thus, they added more depth to the character, but I guess I'm the only one here willing to critically analyze the situation. It's also kind of like Manti T'eo...lol

#95 Posted by ssj2DeadPool (213 posts) - - Show Bio

OH wow, now we will learn how he started? FINALLY! OMG I have been wanting to know that forever. I am so ready, I always wonder what his origin story is. Wow NOW WE WILL LEARN. oh boy. I wonder what happened? I bet his parents died or something.

#96 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic fan logic: complain about a lack of new content, complain about delivery of new content.

#97 Posted by Jacobin_Wisdom (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@V_Scarlotte_Rose: I doubt due to the fact that Bruce meets none of the Robins or Catwoman in his first year. Most had their origins explained enough in the #0 month event where Batman had many adventures during his time trainer, and becoming Batman to the point where alot was left unaccounted, even before the new 52 was launched.

#98 Edited by End_Boss (725 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: Better than the alternative of complacently giving away money to stories that don't deserve it.

I mean sure, the argument could be made that because this explores the tiny window of time in between scenes of Miller's Year One, that there's new content. But how many times can we read about Batman first donning his cowl, punching his first thug, thwarting his first super villain? It's old hat, a tired story. Move on, comic book writers. Move on.

#99 Posted by Reignmaker (2227 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

@BR_Havoc said:

@Reignmaker: Honestly I have not bought a Batman issue since they reintroduced Freeze and did a horrible job making him another throw away rogue for Batman to beat up on for an issue or two.

I found Freeze's new story to be way deeper. They took the old MO that Freeze had and turned it into a figment of his (psychotic) imagination, which means not only is Batman dealing with an incredibly intelligent scientist hellbent on saving his wife, but he's doing that while simultaneously trying to convince Freeze it's not reality. Ever try to convince someone who was love stricken that it's all in their head? Can be harder to do than just beating someone up. Thus, they added more depth to the character, but I guess I'm the only one here willing to critically analyze the situation. It's also kind of like Manti T'eo...lol

^ This. Love the new origin. Plus I'm not married to any one fixed continuity. You're just asking for continual heartbreak if you're looking for that in your comic book characters. Plus, we need to move beyond Batman: The Animated Series at some point. Great show, but it's over.

#100 Posted by mcbean (292 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker: Not me I'm dropping this title also Snyder Superman cover price is 4.99 way to much for a comic.

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