Batman without 'no killing' rule

#1 Posted by TheIronLord (90 posts) - - Show Bio

I always wondered what it'd be like if Batman forgot his rule and started killing everyone. Villains, innocents, police, anyone. So here's my question, is there any comic book with such a story?

Thanks and take care!

#2 Posted by DarthShap (875 posts) - - Show Bio

In Batman: Year Two, he really considers it and even starts using the gun Joe Chill used to kill his parents.

In Countdown, there is an alternate universe (Earth-51) on which Batman killed all the villains.

In All Star Batman and Robin, I am pretty sure he killed a bunch of dirty cops.

None of them is any good.

#3 Posted by Chaos Burn (1782 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher

#4 Posted by MrShway88 (655 posts) - - Show Bio

@Chaos Burn: I didn't know there was a Batman story named Punisher.

#5 Posted by Chaos Burn (1782 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrShway88 said:

@Chaos Burn: I didn't know there was a Batman story named Punisher.

lol sorry, i was answering the title question "Batman without 'no killing' rule", he would be like Punisher imo

#6 Posted by Immortal777 (7324 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd be Owlman

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#7 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

He'd be Owlman

I agree.

#8 Posted by CrimsonCake (2677 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777 said:

He'd be Owlman

Pretty much.

#9 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd be Midnighter. Minus the gay part.

#10 Posted by Mediumguy (166 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambit1024: And we all know how Midnighter is.

#11 Posted by cosmo111687 (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

In Flashpoint: Knight of Vengeance, Batman (Thomas Wayne, in this universe) forgoes the "no killing" rule. There are a few moments in The Dark Knight Returns that are questionable. And he kills in the 1989 Tim Burton Batman movie.

#12 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman frequently killed criminals in the early Bob Kane books. And then Robin came along...

#13 Posted by FatihBATMAN (1389 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

Batman frequently killed criminals in the early Bob Kane books. And then Robin came along...

damn....is that retconned or?...crazy..

#14 Posted by DarkKnight1939 (148 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman did kill frequently in the early Bob Kane/Bill Finger comics while the character was being developed and before the books became much "lighter". However after that he did kill occasionally: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/03/22/batman-kills-murderer/. There are many moments when it is not certain whether it could be classified as killing or not.

A few of his victims:

-People (Various moments-Particularly during the early comics)

-People (Batman:Year 2)

-Ra's Al Ghul (The Messiah of the Crimson Son)

-KGBeast (Ten Nights of the Beast)

-Members of the Mutants (Dark Knight Returns)

-Criminal (Batman: Cult)

-Joker and Henchmen (Batman (Film))

-Ras Al Ghul (Batman Begins (Film))

-Two Face (Dark Knight (Film))

#15 Posted by Russcovito (117 posts) - - Show Bio

There is also the 666 of Batman where we see Damian be Batman ;)

#16 Posted by DarKnightNoir (44 posts) - - Show Bio

I was going to say, Damien fills the role you are speaking of.

#17 Posted by JSH92 (414 posts) - - Show Bio

@Reignmaker said:

Batman frequently killed criminals in the early Bob Kane books. And then Robin came along...

Actually, they still killed people when Robin was around. Robin kills a gangster that works for Boss Zucco in his first appearance (Detective Comics #38). He kicks him off of a steel girder they're both standing on. Also, in that same issue, they let Zucco kill one of his men to use it as evidence against him (Robin snaps a photo of him killing the guy). Robin even would have killed the Joker by kicking him off the top of a building if Batman hadn't saved him. I still have no freaking clue why Batman reached out his arm to grab Joker. He literally says, "You're too valuable a prize to lose!" What the heck? The murderous psychopath is a valuable prize? Was that Bob Kane talking or Batman? lol

Then in the second story of Batman #1, Batman kills several people, including people from insane asylums that Hugo Strange kidnapped and turned into these big-hulk like creatures. He's got a pretty high kill count in that story, relatively speaking.

So, yea, if you want to see a Batman who is willing to kill his villains (but mind you doesn't always because it's not like he has to), then I'd recommend The Batman Chronicles #1.

#18 Posted by SmashBrawler (5620 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman used a gun in the First Wave line of comics (the ones that featured Doc Savage and the Spirit).

#19 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

@JSH92 said:

@Reignmaker said:

Batman frequently killed criminals in the early Bob Kane books. And then Robin came along...

Actually, they still killed people when Robin was around. Robin kills a gangster that works for Boss Zucco in his first appearance (Detective Comics #38). He kicks him off of a steel girder they're both standing on. Also, in that same issue, they let Zucco kill one of his men to use it as evidence against him (Robin snaps a photo of him killing the guy). Robin even would have killed the Joker by kicking him off the top of a building if Batman hadn't saved him. I still have no freaking clue why Batman reached out his arm to grab Joker. He literally says, "You're too valuable a prize to lose!" What the heck? The murderous psychopath is a valuable prize? Was that Bob Kane talking or Batman? lol

Then in the second story of Batman #1, Batman kills several people, including people from insane asylums that Hugo Strange kidnapped and turned into these big-hulk like creatures. He's got a pretty high kill count in that story, relatively speaking.

So, yea, if you want to see a Batman who is willing to kill his villains (but mind you doesn't always because it's not like he has to), then I'd recommend The Batman Chronicles #1.

Oh yeah, I own a reprint of Batman #1. That's pretty cool about Robin in Detective #38.

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