I don't think he'll actually be there, and he shouldn't be.

I wouldn't be surprised if he popped up shortly in a dream/hallucinatory sequence though.

I hope he's not in AK.

At one way... look this ! This is trilogy... every trilogy have one main boss of that trilogy, if is main boss in last two games Joker -as main boss of trilogy - he will back - he have to back !!! If he is not that main boss of trilogy, then he will not back :D

No clue if he is going to be there but I hope not, so sick of Joker.

God I hope not.

I wouldn't mind if he had a small role, or a cameo appearance, which was voiced by Mark Hamill. Only because Mark Hamill's Joker is awesome.

I would be very annoyed if he has a starring role though. Origins could have actually been great if they had stuck to what they had advertised, Black Mask being the main villain sending assassins after the Bat. But no, they had to turn it into a Joker story.

That's a decent point, but it would only be a trilogy for Rocksteady, not for the Arkham games, this is the fourth installment. But the fact that this is the last Arkham game, and Joker has been the main antagonist for the first three, like you pointed out, he's the main boss, so more reason why he would be back as the main antagonist for Arkham Knight.

Theory, the new villain Arkham Knight, he is supposed to have an A on his chest, same A as the one from Arkham Asylum. Joker usually leaves hints and clues to the Dark Knight that it's him. Chronologically it may not be the Dark Knight's first encounter with the Joker, but it was our first encounter with the Joker, so I could see that as a bit of a call back. The villain Arkham Knight is either the Joker or working for the Joker. But it's just a theory.

No and he shouldn't. He's already been the main villain for the past 3 games, put him to rest already!

Really depends how they bring him back.

I can't think of any GOOD way to bring him back, so unless they've got some neat tricks up their sleeves, I would say nah.

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They already confirmed that Joker's dead. That's it. Now while I don't think that he'll somehow return, I do believe that he will have a presence in this game. The Joker had laid out some plans before he died, and those plans are going to be executed by Harley or some of his henchmen. I'd figure it;ll be one of the side quests in this game where Joker left Batman with some messages and recordings. I just have a hard time seeing a huge Batman Game like Arkham Knight not involving Joker in any way. He's dead and he should stay that way, but depite this he managed to still make things hard for Batman.

They already said he is dead dead. He's not coming back and he shouldn't. He's dead guys. They said it themselves.

He was fine as the villain for the first two if the trilogy but I want him to be dead. Also someone needs to get Rocksteady working on a Superman or Aqua man game

If he appears in Arkham Knight, it'll be within some sort of hallucination.

"Yes he will, but he shouldn't. (Your vote) 17%"

This ^

I really don't want him to return. Hamill was freaking brilliant all the way through City, and I don't want them messing with that beautiful plot.

Hear that Rocksteady? You mess with City's continuity and you'll find your mom's tongue in a box at your doorstep.

Idk but I chose choice one cause I wouldn't mind it.

Hamill also said he's done and I don't think rocksteady would do it without him.

God no

Please no.

Wouldn't it be wack if the Arkham Knight was someone lame, like Calendar Man?

@djprince831:

I don't going to say that i'm smart and that i KNOW, but let think about this...

The end of Arkham city was... almost nonsensical !!! Almost nonsensical !!!

First: Joker have Thalia, and he is crazy if he don't go to disarm her... with that, he will find that she had a cure !!! So... ? Why he don't disarm her ? Where is Harley to say the Joker, ''some crazy chick stole a cure from me'' ! Joker will search did Thalia have a cure !!!

Second: Joker at the end going to be immortal, well... there is no more point about cure !!! Only... if he don't wanna to be cured ? What mean that he is already cured or healthy !!! Because that - what ? He going to make everybody to think that he die !!! Why will Joker first mess with the Bat, and then gonna to be immortal, i guess that is smarter and clever first begun immortal(cured), and then call the Bat !? What the hell ?

Third and finally - This is true - Joker call Batman to rescue Thalia, and... to kill him !? How the hell Joker can kill the Bat, when he cant do that in the titan form !? Only if he wanna that Batman kill him !?

The true is that we miss something in Arkham City... so lets go back to the game, and find clues that joker survive !!! I found something but i am not so sure, until i find more things !!!

About Arkham Knight !!! For sure is not the Joker.... Look a little at Knight helm... i don't know what u will see, but i see that normal human head, can stay in that helm !!!

And yea, sorry about my english :)

As much as I love the Joker, he's had his time in the spotlight and it's time for someone else to take up the role of "big bad"

I really don't get all the Joker fatigue so many people are apparently experiencing. As much as we love the rest of Batman's rogues gallery, the fact of the matter is, Arkham Asylum, City, nor Origins would be anywhere near as good as they are if they starred the freakin' Penguin or Two Face. Joker is the one who gives us the good stories, I personally doubt he'll return in Knight, but if Rocksteady decides that's the way to go to give us the best game possible, then more power to them.

Seriously, would you rather have a near-perfect game like Arkham City with Joker, or a sub-par story in comparison, but hey, at least we can say Joker wasn't in it!

No, obviously the former is the better option.

He was literally burnt into ashes.

He's not coming back.

Am I the only one completely exhausted by Joker in any form of media?

@nickzambuto: How could you be so sure that another member of his rogues gallery wouldn't be as impactful if they weren't given a comparable amount of spotlight. It's also fair to mention that a lot of the characters were poorly represented or just briefly touched upon.

I want Joker back. He was like the best character in the Arkham series

@nox_arc: No you're not. The Joker is a great villain, but Batman has so many other good and interesting rogues that it becomes kinda annoying that they use him all the time. I really hope he stays dead in Arkham Knight.

@goonage: Considering that the Arkham series had a lot of homages and/or was continually represented from the Animated series, I think Freeze would've made an incredible antagonist.

The proof is in the pudding. Just look at the movies, the games, the shows, and the comics themselves -- the best Batman stories always have the Joker as the main antagonist.

Now I've read that Rocksteady has declared Joker is dead, but it was only one or two articles from random websites, so I took with a grain of salt, but did some research and found the video on this web page!

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/03/05/revealing-the-story-of-batman-arkham-knight.aspx

I respect that opinion but I don't think it's entirely universal. I'm not saying that Joker isn't a great villain, I just believe if a member of his rogues gallery was given an equal opportunity to sit in the spotlight, it'd be a different story.

Good God I hope he's not in it, but i'm sure he will be. The Arkham series seems to love pimping out the Joker like no other.

I don't want joker to be the main villain. Nor do I want him to be a part of the campaign. I have a feeling that he will be the main villain in the nightmare missions.