Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Man, the people at WB are goddamn morons. Are they trying to put The Dark Knight's continuity into the Justice League series? Because that's an awful idea.
Nolan's series is done. It was excellent, and it stands on its own (like the director intended). If they even think about introducing Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, or Green Lantern into this world, just how the f*ck are they going to explain that, when there was a terrorist with a weapon of mass destruction in Gotham that was executing innocents left and right, these Super Gods were nowhere to be found? If Joseph Gordon Levitt wants to be Batman, sure, that'd be awesome, but just do it in your own spin-off franchise off TDKR. But if they want to connect the TDK franchise with the JL movie, they're making a stupid decision.
Also, if that's what they're aiming to do and connect their other superhero movies with JL, then Green Lantern, a movie that looks nothing like TDK or Man of Steel and could have been the beginning of the JL series easily, needs to be trashed and redone immediately. I mean, I think it should be ignored altogether anyway, but if you're going to throw TDK and MoS in the same blend as GL, you're delusional.
WB, please get your sh*t together, and focus on planned storytelling, instead of taking random movies and trying to connect them when they have no business being in the same realm together.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would launch out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
Levitt is as cool as anyone, but he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too short to play the Batman. Plus, TDKR was terrible and shouldn't be observed for any dc universe film.
I think that would be great. If they go with that direction they won't be needing another batman movie before Justice league movie also it's a brilliant idea to use young actors for that will take years to make JL movies.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would long out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
The Christopher Reeve films were successful but they're not carrying on from there now are they? They're rebooting Superman and it stands to reason Batman will get the same treatment as well. It would be an immense disappointment for film and comic book viewers alike if JGL was Batman in the Justice League movie. It would be an offense to Batman's history if a character who appeared in one film was Batman, not Bruce Wayne. Fortunately I doubt even WB are that stupid. As for your film success point, it was Bruce Wayne's Batman who made Nolan's films successful, not JGL. It might make sense but it would be ridiculous for that character to be Batman in the Justice League.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would long out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
The Christopher Reeve films were successful but they're not carrying on from there now are they? They're rebooting Superman and it stands to reason Batman will get the same treatment as well. It would be an immense disappointment for film and comic book viewers alike if JGL was Batman in the Justice League movie. It would be an offense to Batman's history if a character who appeared in one film was Batman, not Bruce Wayne. Fortunately I doubt even WB are that stupid. As for your film success point, it was Bruce Wayne's Batman who made Nolan's films successful, not JGL. It might make sense but it would be ridiculous for that character to be Batman in the Justice League.
Ha. Yeah, I'm sure that WB is too "smart" to want to continue their most successful and profitable film franchise.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would long out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would long out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
The Christopher Reeve films were successful but they're not carrying on from there now are they? They're rebooting Superman and it stands to reason Batman will get the same treatment as well. It would be an immense disappointment for film and comic book viewers alike if JGL was Batman in the Justice League movie. It would be an offense to Batman's history if a character who appeared in one film was Batman, not Bruce Wayne. Fortunately I doubt even WB are that stupid. As for your film success point, it was Bruce Wayne's Batman who made Nolan's films successful, not JGL. It might make sense but it would be ridiculous for that character to be Batman in the Justice League.
Ha. Yeah, I'm sure that WB is too "smart" to want to continue their most successful and profitable film franchise.
How mature. Really helps your argument. Not.
My point is people think of Batman as Bruce Wayne, not JGL's character. Don't you see how absurd it would be if they continued on from where Nolan's films left off? Nolan's films were supposed to be self contained, stand alone trilogy. Do you not see how stupid it would be to explain where people like Superman or Green Lantern were during TDKR when Bane held Gotham hostage? Too many plot holes and continuity errors would arise if the Nolan verse was mixed with MoS and Green Lantern. The 3 don't go together. Justice League would be far better as a fresh start to counter Marvel's cinematic universe. And Nolan's films do not mesh with that.
Not a good choice for Batman , and I wouldn't wanna tie the Justice League movie to the Chris Nolan movies in any fashion. Start fresh and stay fresh is the way to go.
This would have my full support. He's a fantastic actor, and the character is an amalgam of Dick, Jason, and Tim. It makes perfect sense.
How does it make perfect sense? He is a great actor but he is in no way suited to play Bruce Wayne at all. And if WB intended to continue the Nolan Bat films, that would be a huge mistake. Critics and Nolan fanboys would rage about the move and Nolan's films were too gritty and realistic for the fantasy world of Justice League. Besides when people think of a Justice League movie, they think of Bruce Wayne as Batman. Not having Bruce Wayne as Batman would be a major mistake for the JL movie to follow. DC's cinematic universe is supposed to be a reboot of the past and continuing with Nolan's Batman contradicts that. Besides it's an unconfirmed rumour being tossed around with no credibility to it.
If they're going to try and create a unified film universe, it makes sense they would long out of a continuation of their most successful film franchise. That's Nolan's Batman, and Nolan's Batman ended by passing the cowl onto JGL. That makes perfect sense to anyone whose primary concern is the success of the films and not some sort of comic book integrity test.
The Christopher Reeve films were successful but they're not carrying on from there now are they? They're rebooting Superman and it stands to reason Batman will get the same treatment as well. It would be an immense disappointment for film and comic book viewers alike if JGL was Batman in the Justice League movie. It would be an offense to Batman's history if a character who appeared in one film was Batman, not Bruce Wayne. Fortunately I doubt even WB are that stupid. As for your film success point, it was Bruce Wayne's Batman who made Nolan's films successful, not JGL. It might make sense but it would be ridiculous for that character to be Batman in the Justice League.
Ha. Yeah, I'm sure that WB is too "smart" to want to continue their most successful and profitable film franchise.
How mature. Really helps your argument. Not.
My point is people think of Batman as Bruce Wayne, not JGL's character. Don't you see how absurd it would be if they continued on from where Nolan's films left off? Nolan's films were supposed to be self contained, stand alone trilogy. Do you not see how stupid it would be to explain where people like Superman or Green Lantern were during TDKR when Bane held Gotham hostage? Too many plot holes and continuity errors would arise if the Nolan verse was mixed with MoS and Green Lantern. The 3 don't go together. Justice League would be far better as a fresh start to counter Marvel's cinematic universe. And Nolan's films do not mesh with that.
So if they have to choose one to relaunch from, they'd pick the most successful one. Batman.
So if they have to choose one to relaunch from, they'd pick the most successful one. Batman.
What? That makes no sense! Why would they relaunch from a film trilogy that had reached its natural end? TDKR was the end of the Batman story under Nolan and involved Bruce Wayne hanging up the cape as Batman. Bruce is thought of as the definitive Batman. It would backfire hugely if WB changed the identity of one of the most popular and well known superheroes in history. Making Batman someone over than Bruce Wayne in the Justice League film would be an awful strategy given that everyone knows Batman as Bruce Wayne and the fact Nolan's films are too gritty, serious and at an end anyway. I'm afraid it's far more plausible given that the Justice League film is supposed to be the gateway to the DCCU after Man of Steel that Batman will be part of the reboot rather than continuing from Nolan's story.
So if they have to choose one to relaunch from, they'd pick the most successful one. Batman.
What? That makes no sense! Why would they relaunch from a film trilogy that had reached its natural end? TDKR was the end of the Batman story under Nolan and involved Bruce Wayne hanging up the cape as Batman. Bruce is thought of as the definitive Batman. It would backfire hugely if WB changed the identity of one of the most popular and well known superheroes in history. Making Batman someone over than Bruce Wayne in the Justice League film would be an awful strategy given that everyone knows Batman as Bruce Wayne and the fact Nolan's films are too gritty, serious and at an end anyway. I'm afraid it's far more plausible given that the Justice League film is supposed to be the gateway to the DCCU after Man of Steel that Batman will be part of the reboot rather than continuing from Nolan's story.
Right, so you want a purity test to control the films when continuity is the entire point of a unified filmverse. That makes no sense.
you are entitled to your opinion! but it would be like shooting themselves in the head if they went with what you suggested. its makes no sense whatsoever to try to pull off! Now if they rebooted the film with JGL as Bruce then it would work, but not a continuity of the Nolan films! it needs to start fresh.
So if they have to choose one to relaunch from, they'd pick the most successful one. Batman.
What? That makes no sense! Why would they relaunch from a film trilogy that had reached its natural end? TDKR was the end of the Batman story under Nolan and involved Bruce Wayne hanging up the cape as Batman. Bruce is thought of as the definitive Batman. It would backfire hugely if WB changed the identity of one of the most popular and well known superheroes in history. Making Batman someone over than Bruce Wayne in the Justice League film would be an awful strategy given that everyone knows Batman as Bruce Wayne and the fact Nolan's films are too gritty, serious and at an end anyway. I'm afraid it's far more plausible given that the Justice League film is supposed to be the gateway to the DCCU after Man of Steel that Batman will be part of the reboot rather than continuing from Nolan's story.
Right, so you want a purity test to control the films when continuity is the entire point of a unified filmverse. That makes no sense.
It's not as if comic book reboots are uncommon. If they weren't my view would make no sense. But they are so my view is still perfectly valid. It's not just me who wants to see Bruce Wayne as Batman. Plenty of other people on here do as well and the posts show that. Plus if you take a general test, people are gonna say that Batman is Bruce Wayne not John Blake. The continuity of the Nolan verse was supposed to be self contained and stand alone from the rest of the DC Universe given its grittiness and real threats. That would be undermined if it were linked into the wider DC Universe.
Clearly an interesting rumor. I dream of an opening sequence with Nightwing (JGL who never became Batman, because he never consider himself ready to bear this burden) chased by villains and almost beaten to death by them.
Nolan told his version of the origin of Batman, but the overall story is not over yet.
I'd be fine with Levitt Batman in the Justice League film. It doesn't matter too terribly much, since I doubt you'll see much, if any, of Superman or Batman in civilian identities.
Although JGL is a great actor I don't think he would make a good Batman. I think now we should see a slightly older, more mature badass Batman. We already saw Batman just starting out with Christian Bale. Plus in Nolan's trilogy, we never really got to see Batman use his super detective skills that you can see in the comics or animated versions. I would love to see a more Kevin Conroy-esque Batman on film.
Levitt is as cool as anyone, but he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too short to play the Batman. Plus, TDKR was terrible and shouldn't be observed for any dc universe film.
Henry Cavill is only 6'1, whereas Superman is 6'3. Brandon Routh is 6'3, but according to the Donner films Superman is 6'4. Meatloaf stood on blocks in Fight Club to appear larger than Edward Norton, which is only discernible after listening to the commentary. Smaller actresses sometimes use devices to appear taller than they should be. Humphry Bogart appeared rather short, despite the fact he was 5'9 which today is pretty average. Tom Cruise is 5'7 and he impregnated Katie Holmes, allegedly. Welcome to film magic.
If they base the justice league movie continuity off dark knight I wouldn't want JGL to be batman. I'd want him to be Nightwing and maybe something happens to him that forces Bruce Wayne, Christian Bale, to come out of retirement and return as batman.
I like JGL as an actor, just not in this role for two reasons. 1) they need to seperate the nolan-verse from the new JL universe. It just doesn't fit. Nolan-verse is based with a sense of reality, which wouldn't work for the JL. 2) I don't think he has the proper build to be batman. JGL is 5'10" and looks to weigh about 160 lbs. Christian Bale was able to put on mass to come closer to the comic book depiction, I just don't see JGL being able to do that. He isn't even close to the size that Bale is.
You know what. That'd be cool. I could use a break from Bruce and his angst. Let's have "Robin" step up and fill in bruces shoes. I always enjoy seeing mantles being passed on so if this is a continuation from The Dark Knight Rises and Joseph Gordon-Levitt is resuming his role, I would be very pleased. So lets see it Hollywood.
I'd rather see Joseph as Robin growing to be Nightwing or something. He DOES NOT fit the Batman description. He could pull off Nightwing or Red Robin.... if that's who he'd be. I don't know who can fit the Batman description, but I heard Ryan Gosling being tossed around alot. I think he'd make a Flash, wouldn't say a great but good.
you are entitled to your opinion! but it would be like shooting themselves in the head if they went with what you suggested. its makes no sense whatsoever to try to pull off! Now if they rebooted the film with JGL as Bruce then it would work, but not a continuity of the Nolan films! it needs to start fresh.
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@fodigg said:
@Lvenger said:
@fodigg said:
So if they have to choose one to relaunch from, they'd pick the most successful one. Batman.
What? That makes no sense! Why would they relaunch from a film trilogy that had reached its natural end? TDKR was the end of the Batman story under Nolan and involved Bruce Wayne hanging up the cape as Batman. Bruce is thought of as the definitive Batman. It would backfire hugely if WB changed the identity of one of the most popular and well known superheroes in history. Making Batman someone over than Bruce Wayne in the Justice League film would be an awful strategy given that everyone knows Batman as Bruce Wayne and the fact Nolan's films are too gritty, serious and at an end anyway. I'm afraid it's far more plausible given that the Justice League film is supposed to be the gateway to the DCCU after Man of Steel that Batman will be part of the reboot rather than continuing from Nolan's story.
Right, so you want a purity test to control the films when continuity is the entire point of a unified filmverse. That makes no sense.
It's not as if comic book reboots are uncommon. If they weren't my view would make no sense. But they are so my view is still perfectly valid. It's not just me who wants to see Bruce Wayne as Batman. Plenty of other people on here do as well and the posts show that. Plus if you take a general test, people are gonna say that Batman is Bruce Wayne not John Blake. The continuity of the Nolan verse was supposed to be self contained and stand alone from the rest of the DC Universe given its grittiness and real threats. That would be undermined if it were linked into the wider DC Universe.
With respect, you are both looking at this like fans and not like film executives. Not that I'm arguing film executives are always right (hell no) but they do at least have perspective. Right now WB is playing catch-up to Marvel. Every franchise they've tried to launch in the recent years has been disappointing at best with the exception of only the Nolan Batman films. (I'd argue they were hoping for more with Watchmen.) They can either try to do the complete inverse of what Marvel did, starting with a Justice League and then trying to branch out from there, but this would be problematic and we'd be essentially getting one massive origin story. The reason Avengers was so successful was because that's not what that was. Alternatively, they can take the leads they do have in place and dive in. That would mean putting their best foot forward, the Nolan Batman films, and then building that into the pending Superman to tie that up as well.
I realize it would need a good sell. But people want Batman and if they put Alfred guiding the young JGL as he learns the ropes of the cowl, that would provide a context that would let them sell this new Batman. You might alienate some hardcore fans that don't like legacy mantles, but the benefit is that you'd bring in the established audience of the Nolan films as a given. The value of that--creatively and financially--cannot be overstated.
I already don't expect to get the traditional Justice League roster. If that means someone else is wearing the Batman cowl, well, at least we have some fantastic films to show how that happened and a terrific actor to pull it off. Not only could it work, it could be great.
@fodigg: We're going round in circles and this is only a rumour with no source or evidence behind this. Let's just agree to disagree until we have more to go on for discussion.
I'm not going to deny it would be cool to see Nolan's universe continue, but I'm not sure it can handle characters like Superman or Green Lantern given how realistic Nolan has tried to make the universe. Anyway, I think it might be an interesting idea. At least we'd see a live action Superman and Batman on screen at the same time for once.
@fodigg: We're going round in circles and this is only a rumour with no source or evidence behind this. Let's just agree to disagree until we have more to go on for discussion.
Fair enough. And for the record, I'm not arguing it they couldn't reboot Batman. Obviously they could and obviously with the right actor and script that could work well. I'm just arguing that it does make sense, at least from a certain point of view, to go with the JGL continuation.
@fodigg: And thats a good thing in your eyes? If they did decide to go this route they would have to bring bats out of retirement and make JGL Robin or Nightwing! thats the only way it would work for the new and hardcore to appreciate it! It would undermine who and what Batman really is. But still, its just rumors anyway.
Love the Dark Knight Trilogy, love JGL, but...hell no. It should be Bruce Wayne as Batman for a Justice League movie and the Nolan universe should be left to itself. If it does happen I'll still be excited, I would just find it to be a very strange move.
@fodigg: And thats a good thing in your eyes? If they did decide to go this route they would have to bring bats out of retirement and make JGL Robin or Nightwing! thats the only way it would work for the new and hardcore to appreciate it! It would undermine who and what Batman really is. But still, its just rumors anyway.
I like legacy mantles/heroes, so maybe it's just me, but yeah I think it would've given the project momentum that came off of the Nolan films. Ah well. Academic at this point anyway.
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