Oracle's Legs

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#1 Posted by BaronVonDredd (250 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know how far back in years Barbara Gordon was shot by the Joker, rendering her paralyzed from the waste down, but shouldn't the muscles in her legs be severely deteriorated by now?
 



#2 Posted by LT1085 (3658 posts) - - Show Bio
@BaronVonDredd: Lazy artist.
#3 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio

Better question is with all the tech in the DCU (and the Bat-Verse), how have they not come up with a way for her to walk again?

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#4 Posted by karrob (4274 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" Better question is with all the tech in the DCU (and the Bat-Verse), how have they not come up with a way for her to walk again? "
Agreed! Wouldnt the lazarus pits work on her legs? Or is there a DC healer. Smh
#5 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4156 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if you have the funds you can use electrical stimulation to work the leg muscles. But I'll go the way of Gambler and ask why the hell hasn't Batman fixed her. I mean doesn't he have like an anti-paralyzing spray in his utility belt?

#6 Posted by DEGRAAF (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

he came back from a broken back and learned how to walk again. Damien even recently had his spine replaced so he would no longer be paralyzed. During Blackest Night Deadman took control of her body and even stated that she has great muscle memory and got her body to walk, run, and do aerobatics. I think it is her willingness to accept her situation as well as her fear of getting back out there in the thick of it. she is willing to fight and defend when the villain comes to her but she seems unwilling to go out and fight for the innoscent

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#7 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
Don't we already have, like, dozens of "What the hell, DC?" threads dedicated to Barbara's disability?
#8 Posted by BaronVonDredd (250 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom: 
This isn't one of those threads, man. I just want to know how she maintains the muscles in her legs despite having not used them for so long.
#9 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4156 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom said:
" Don't we already have, like, dozens of "What the hell, DC?" threads dedicated to Barbara's disability? "
Probably.
#10 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@BaronVonDredd said:
" @AtPhantom:  This isn't one of those threads, man. I just want to know how she maintains the muscles in her legs despite having not used them for so long. "
I know it isn't, but they've turned it into one.
#11 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8724 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd would suggest reading the Batman story titled "the Chalice" from a few years back. In this story Bruce acquires the Holy Grail and finds out it does have the legendary healing properties ascribe to legend. He offers to Barbara to use the Grail to restore her legs. She refuses, saying it has something to do with her beliefs, thought she never says what those beliefs are that would stop her from wanting to be healed by the Holy Grail.

#12 Posted by warlock360 (27919 posts) - - Show Bio

You can still keep your legs somewhat in tact by sending nerval impulses towards them or with shock therapy.

#13 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27082 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" Better question is with all the tech in the DCU (and the Bat-Verse), how have they not come up with a way for her to walk again? "
they did did they not? she was offered the chance to walk but refused it, I did not read that but was told about it. 
  
 
 
@Voidheart said:
" You can still keep your legs somewhat in tact by sending nerval impulses towards them or with shock therapy. "
and what he said.
#14 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler:  They should just do what they did in the Birds of Prey TV series, put on a belt that taps into her spine to allow her to walk for certain periods of time
#15 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" I'd would suggest reading the Batman story titled "the Chalice" from a few years back. In this story Bruce acquires the Holy Grail and finds out it does have the legendary healing properties ascribe to legend. He offers to Barbara to use the Grail to restore her legs. She refuses, saying it has something to do with her beliefs, thought she never says what those beliefs are that would stop her from wanting to be healed by the Holy Grail. "
Using a "holy" relic is different then using modern day advances in technology and medical treatments. It doesn't necessarily mean she does not want to, or is not open to, walking again. That's more about the way in which it is done (in my opinion).
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#16 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@.Mistress Redhead.:  I dont know. Not up on my Barbra history :P
 
@EnSabahNurX: Dude, that's exactly what I was thinking before posting in here. I only watched one episode and it was when she used it to fight Shiva.
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#17 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8724 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:

" Using a "holy" relic is different then using modern day advances in technology and medical treatments. It doesn't necessarily mean she does not want to, or is not open to, walking again. That's more about the way in which it is done (in my opinion). "

Possible... I was just pointing out a specific instance when she could have walked again but refused and the reason why given in that story. Explanations are few in the comics to why this situation persists.
 
Considering the world she lives in, the only thing actually stopping her is author fiat and a vague in-universe explanation about her refusing for unspecified reasons. I mean considering who she hangs out with. She could likely not only walk but be taken to a level of physical power beyond anything she ever had.
#18 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27082 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler: I cant find the scan, but i am certain i have seen somewhere that she was offered a cure.. hmm
#19 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Gambler said:
" Using a "holy" relic is different then using modern day advances in technology and medical treatments. It doesn't necessarily mean she does not want to, or is not open to, walking again. That's more about the way in which it is done (in my opinion). "
Possible... I was just pointing out a specific instance when she could have walked again and the reason why given in that story. Explanations are few in the comics to why this situation persists.  Considering the world she lives in, the only thing actually stopping her is author fiat and a vague in-universe explanation about her refusing for unspecified reasons. I mean considering who she hangs out with. She could likely not only walk but be taken to a level of physical power beyond anything she ever had. "
Agreed.
 
 @.Mistress Redhead. said:
" @Gambler: I cant find the scan, but i am certain i have seen somewhere that she was offered a cure.. hmm "

Besides the "Holy Grail" incident?
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#20 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick

#21 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick "
Nice. Do you remember what issue/comic this took place in?
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#22 Posted by warlock360 (27919 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick "
INNUENDO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
#23 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick "
Nice. Do you remember what issue/comic this took place in? "
You'll have to give me a minute to go scrummaging through my back issues but it was either BoP or Nightwing I'll keep you posted
#24 Posted by DEGRAAF (7867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Gambler said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick "
Nice. Do you remember what issue/comic this took place in? "
You'll have to give me a minute to go scrummaging through my back issues but it was either BoP or Nightwing I'll keep you posted "

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#25 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool scan (still trying to find what issue :P)

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#26 Edited by DEGRAAF (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

i didnt realize this was after she became paralyzed tho. from reading it it seems more like something that happened before the accident and they are talking about it afterwards

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#27 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF said:
" i didnt realize this was after she became paralyzed tho "
you know I think it may have been a flashback I am going to have to re read the issue when I find it but I do know she also was given some sort of cybernetic suit built by Ted Kord IIRC
#28 Posted by DEGRAAF (7867 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus: 
 
Im thinking it was a flashback also
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#29 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2313 posts) - - Show Bio

 

#30 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

I Say she should get one of those Power-Suits that Batman Wore in Kingdom Come---When He Was crippled...
I Can't Stand to see such a character with such bad luck...
 

 
#31 Posted by fACEmelter88 (607 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of good ideas her but her spinal cord injury could be incomplete or complete. Complete meaning that NO messages from her brain will pass the injury her looks to be maybe L-2 maybe even L-4 so thats pretty low meaning thats why she has such great balance. If her injury is incomplete who knows what she is capable of since the cord is not completely severed meaning neural (not nerval Voidheart) messages to her legs and that could be why Deadman during Blackest Night got her to move so well. I'm not sure about her history tho just know a bunch about spinal cord injuries. Though her leg muscles would atrophy or deteriorate they would still keep their mass (thats how it goes sometime). Soooo yea......

#32 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Because being in a wheel chair is some serious character development

#33 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8724 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Because being in a wheel chair is some serious character development "
Only when it makes sense and it actually goes somewhere and doesn't stop character devellopment. The big problem is in the DC universe, especially with a member of the bat family. It doesn't. She could have gone through a whole arc to relearn to walk, fight, etc. But as a permanent state, there is absolutely no reason. 
She knows people who could give her back her legs just by whispering a few words and twirling their fingers, she knows people who could literally rip on her broken spine and replace it with a superior cybernetic one that could make her as potent as Deathstroke in H2H. The only reason she is still in a wheel chair is because the writers want her in that chair.
#34 Posted by warlock360 (27919 posts) - - Show Bio
@fACEmelter88: what i meant ;p couldn't find the word LOL
#35 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: It was sarcasm, I think barbra gordon is useless now anyways.
#36 Posted by warlock360 (27919 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
 
wait for it you gonna get hauled ass for that one by somebody LOL
#37 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@Voidheart: Hauled ass?..by Gordon's tires? they should put rockets on the back of her wheel chair..that would make her interesting.
#38 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27082 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ya Babs did get her legs back for a while and went to show Dick and he was with Starfire and she was just like what's the point and decided to go back in the chair in the Oracle persona if she can't have Dick "
really? what was that in? do you have the scan? 
 
@Gambler: NO, I read that one, I am sure that I read that some agency offered her a cure... but it could be a dream unless SOM can show us the scan!
#39 Posted by lorex (939 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course the technology in the DCU exists the allow her the use of her legs. There are any number of technology or magic that could facilitate that. Its been shown with other characters. Its an editorial decision
to keep her in the chair, plain and simple. I would be willing to bet if she was killed when the Joker shot her she would have already returned from the grave by now.

#40 Posted by Bestostero (5616 posts) - - Show Bio
@lorex said:
" I would be willing to bet if she was killed when the Joker shot her she would have already returned from the grave by now. "
Very true, she needs to be able to walk again, its really over due...
#41 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio
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