Oracle: The Cure #3, Was The Ending What You Wanted?

Posted by G-Man (30226 posts) - - Show Bio

What happened?  This series had so much potential in the beginning.  We got to see some insight into Oracle's mind but it didn't feel we got a complete ending.  So what is the "cure"?  Does anyone receive it? 

  


What do you think will happen next?  It was actually while I was editing this video that I got an idea as to who Batgirl might be.  I cut that part out and I'll keep it to myself.  Shall we begin the speculation now?  Did you feel this really fit in with "Battle For The Cowl"?
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#1 Edited by Vlad Tepes Dracula (2208 posts) - - Show Bio

BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR BLAAAAAA









yea honestly i kinda didnt think it would go out that way, i mean all calculator wanted was to cure his child (even by all means necessary...) and she just called the cops on him : /

i mean, maybe if he would of succeeded his daughter wouldnt be paralized either, so BOO @ Oracle for this one...

and since it says "Continued in Batgirl" i think we'll find out more there ;D
#2 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Joker shot Oracle in the spine?

How does shooting one in the stomach = paralysis?

#3 Posted by G-Man (30226 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously this isn't the last we'll hear about his daughter Wendy...

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#4 Posted by Vlad Tepes Dracula (2208 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheDrifter said:
" I thought Joker shot Oracle in the spine? How does shooting one in the stomach = paralysis? "
if your a good shot (which in this case i think joker is) you can actually shoot THROUGH the stomache into / through the spine ;D

@G-Man said:
" Obviously this isn't the last we'll hear about his daughter Wendy... "

Oh now your just making it tense <.<
#5 Posted by Media_Master (2189 posts) - - Show Bio

I figured she would become batgirl...eventually

#7 Posted by G-Man (30226 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheDrifter said:
" I thought Joker shot Oracle in the spine? How does shooting one in the stomach = paralysis? "


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#8 Posted by Decept-O (7274 posts) - - Show Bio

So basically Oracle will be reprising her role as in Birds of Prey to some extent by setting up missions, providing tech support, training, etc. for the new Batgirl?  How many Batgirls are there going to be?  Not complaining, just wondering. 

#9 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm impressed that in the space of one thought box (what's wrong with good old fashioned thought bubbles, anyway??) they eliminated the old 'the Joker raped her' theory.  Gritty, dramatic good writing was wiped out twenty-one years later by anti-climatic bad writing.  

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#10 Posted by DMC (1550 posts) - - Show Bio

I definitely didn't expect that kind of ending. For those who picked the Calculator's daughter as the next Batgirl this issue might have spoiled her chances.

I wonder if we'll see the new Batgirl from the get-go in BG #1 or will they drag it out over the first few issues, you know like in Black Panther.

#11 Posted by mattydeNero (519 posts) - - Show Bio
What about Cassanrda Cane?  Last time I remember seeing her was in the "NETWORK" one-shot.  Did I miss something?  Or is it Cane on the cover of Batgirl #1?  I never really expected to get a "new" Batgirl out of this series.  And especially not Wendy, Calc's daughter.

I was really bummed out how this mini-series panned out.  It wasn't really about anything to do with Batman's death.  I guess DC wanted to put Oracle in the spotlight, but they forgot to deliver anything, really.  The Calc's daughter is still screwed and someone outside of the Network now knows of Babs' identity.  Again, am I missing something?  By the way, don't you guys think that whole thing with that programmer was a little stupid?  Especially if that's all that we see of him.

How many "Batwomen" are we going to end up with here?
#12 Posted by TheSavageAssasin (2761 posts) - - Show Bio

Am i the only one who thinks that this series was dissapointing i read the first issue cuz it was battle for the cowl tie in but thought it sucked and skipped the rest and this didnt look any better

#13 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

DC is just going to forget about Cane and im happy with it..and i have a good idea of who batgirl is :)

#14 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" I'm impressed that in the space of one thought box (what's wrong with good old fashioned thought bubbles, anyway??) they eliminated the old 'the Joker raped her' theory.  Gritty, dramatic good writing was wiped out twenty-one years later by anti-climatic bad writing.   "
? It was never written that the Joker raped Barbra Gordon. After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. Which he then showed to a captured Commissioner Gordon in an attempt to drive him crazy/over the edge. That's still canon, nothing's been re-written.
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#15 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. "
That is rape.
#16 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

@Slinger said:

"@Gambler said:
" After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. "
That is rape."

This seemed wrong to me so I looked it up.

According to M-Webster online:
"Rape is defined as sexual intercourse forced on a person"

After checking dictionary.com, medterms.com, thefreedictionary.com and even West's Encyclopedia of American Law, I still haven't found any definition of rape that would call undressing someone and taking pictures of them rape unless there was also unwanted touching of the genitals, breasts or buttocks.

Fyi, shooting someone, taking off their clothes and taking pictures, while terrible, disgusting and evil?  Not rape.

#17 Posted by Dr. Maxwell (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle for the Batgirl Cowl

#18 Posted by Slinger (7640 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
"

@Slinger said:

"@Gambler said:
" After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. "
That is rape."

This seemed wrong to me so I looked it up.

According to M-Webster online:
"Rape is defined as sexual intercourse forced on a person"

After checking dictionary.com, medterms.com, thefreedictionary.com and even West's Encyclopedia of American Law, I still haven't found any definition of rape that would call undressing someone and taking pictures of them rape unless there was also unwanted touching of the genitals, breasts or buttocks.

Fyi, shooting someone, taking off their clothes and taking pictures, while terrible, disgusting and evil?  Not rape.

"
I should have been more clear originally. Let me rephrase, "In my opinion, that is rape." I don't believe it is the legal definition.
#19 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
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@xerox-kitty said:
" I'm impressed that in the space of one thought box (what's wrong with good old fashioned thought bubbles, anyway??) they eliminated the old 'the Joker raped her' theory.  Gritty, dramatic good writing was wiped out twenty-one years later by anti-climatic bad writing.   "
? It was never written that the Joker raped Barbra Gordon. After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. Which he then showed to a captured Commissioner Gordon in an attempt to drive him crazy/over the edge. That's still canon, nothing's been re-written."

That's why I said it was a 'theory' and didn't say 're-written'.  There was the possibility that it happened.  Just because it wasn't shown or specifically stated doesn't mean it didn't happen.  When a psychotic villain has a girl on the edge of death and rips her clothes off... what's to say that he didn't take it a step further before he took those degrading photographs?  It's not a nice theory, and it's not one that I'm in support of.  But it's been discussed various times over the years. 

It just feels that 'The Cure' threw in that thought-box just to eliminate those kinds of debates once and for all. 
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#20 Edited by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio
@Slinger said:
"
@Gambler said:
" After shooting her he undressed her and took pictures. "
That is rape. "
Its alot of things but rape isn't one of em.

@xerox-kitty said:
" That's why I said it was a 'theory' and didn't say 're-written'.  There was the possibility that it happened.  Just because it wasn't shown or specifically stated doesn't mean it didn't happen.  When a psychotic villain has a girl on the edge of death and rips her clothes off... what's to say that he didn't take it a step further before he took those degrading photographs?  It's not a nice theory, and it's not one that I'm in support of.  But it's been discussed various times over the years.  It just feels that 'The Cure' threw in that thought-box just to eliminate those kinds of debates once and for all.  "
Not sure why anyone would speculate that the Joker raped her. If you go back and read the issue its pretty clear that he didn't.

Heres a scan of Barbra right after shes found. The detective Bullock says the same thing Oracle does in the last issue. No hint of rape what so ever.





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#21 Posted by xerox_kitty (15761 posts) - - Show Bio

I have it at home, thanks.

I didn't say I started the rape theory.  It's not even a theory I care much for.  It's just a theory, and it has been discussed for years.  But when a psycho villain shoots someone, undresses them and then takes pictures of them... You can see why people believe there might have been more, even if you don't agree with it.

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#22 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84356 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't say u did :) But when she's lying there in a hospital bed and there's a doctor and a detective right there, and neither one mention anything remotely connected to rape, its hard for me to see how that theory started. I guess I just haven't been around long enough cause I've never heard anyone debating whether or not she was raped. The DCU clearly has no problem writing rape into certain story arcs but their very specific about it. Whats said in the original scan is the same thing Oracle says in the last issue. I'm just not seeing how her word bubble changed anything.

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#23 Posted by Psychotime (623 posts) - - Show Bio

How was that not a spoiler?

Oh...nevermind. It's vague. Ok.

#24 Posted by Psychotime (623 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" I have it at home, thanks.

I didn't say I started the rape theory.  It's not even a theory I care much for.  It's just a theory, and it has been discussed for years. "
You make me laugh. You were so certain in your first quote and called it "bad writing" when they told the truth, which quoted the "good writing" you claimed was removed. Now that you were proven wrong, you suddenly say that you didn't even believe it to begin with. People like you make me laugh.

Killing Joke is overratted, anyway.
#25 Edited by FatCobra (38 posts) - - Show Bio
@xerox-kitty said:
" I'm impressed that in the space of one thought box (what's wrong with good old fashioned thought bubbles, anyway??) they eliminated the old 'the Joker raped her' theory.  Gritty, dramatic good writing was wiped out twenty-one years later by anti-climatic bad writing.   "
Wut? When did Joker rape Barbara? Has the Joker ever raped someone besides the time in the joker graphic novel?
#26 Posted by mrjoshua (76 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker didn't sexual rape her. He shot her in the abdomine. The bullet severed her spine. He undressed her and took pictures. He didn't violate her sexually.

But getting to the Oracle, I thought this was pretty good. I think the end is messed up. Poor Wendy. She loses her brother Marv and now she can't walk. But what should Barbra have done? Let him use the Anit-Life Equation on her? It might her helped her but then what would she become? Besides he killed people to obtain that equation. Helping his daughter doesn't justify murder.

I wish Barbra would learn to walk on her hands. She looked terrible when attacked by that Asia gang and had to crawl around on the floor. I'm not saying she has to fight on her hands or try to run after some one but it would sure help her when in a bind like that.  

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