AVX: VS #1

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#1 Posted by G-Man (18876 posts) - - Show Bio

Because AVENGERS VS. X-MEN is such a massive crossover event, the action cannot be contained to a single series. This is where we'll be seeing loads of action.

The Good

Upon reading the first two issues of AVENGERS VS. X-MEN, there was a feeling of chaos once the fighting began. With the vast amount of characters from the Avengers and the X-Men present, the beginning of the clash was almost comical as everyone started running towards each other. The story was mixed with random scenes of mini-clashes that almost didn't make a lot of sense.

For example, we saw Iron Man fighting Emma Frost and on the next page he is then fighting Magneto. AVX: VS shows us more of what happened at that moment. The fight between Iron Man and Magneto lasted a couple panels but here it takes place over ten pages. I had wondered if there would be any acknowledgement to their brief encounter in MAGNETO: NOT A HERO #1. That is sort of addressed here.

This battle is written by Jason Aaron so it's good to see him pick up where he had to gloss over in the second issue of the main series. The art here is what makes the story shine. Adam Kubert draws the battle between these two and it's great.

The second battle deals with Thing and Namor. In issue #2, we simply saw Namor send Ben flying with a punch. Luke Cage steps in and pages later we see the return of Thing fighting Namor along with Cage. Again, there was a sense of confusion as if we stepped away from the comic and the action continued without us. Kathryn and Stuart Immonen deliver the action for this half of the comic.

The comic starts off right away making it clear that this series is about the action and fighting. The story portion takes place in the main series. Basically you have a choice if you want to see all the detail here but it does give the overall story a bigger feel by showing the specifics of what went down. The only other option would be to cut down on the encounters which would feel a little odd since this is supposed to be such a big event. There are also "AvX Fun Facts" sprinkled throughout.

The Bad

There's the lingering feeling of whether or not this series is really necessary. It doesn't try to give the illusion that it is absolutely necessary. It's unfortunate that you have to have a separate series to show the action but the only other option would be to reduce the number of characters in the series, which would take away from the magnitude of the series.

There is a feeling of a lack of continuity with the Namor and Thing story. I mentioned Luke Cage's presence but he's never seen in this story. When Thing does return after the first punch, Luke is nowhere in sight. The battle finishes and it just doesn't feel like it meshes perfectly with main series.

Seeing these fights in full form is fun. I wonder if the entire six issue miniseries will retain the excitement over seeing fight after fight.

The Verdict

This is an issue about some of the fights during AVENGERS VS. X-MEN. Plain and simple, that's what you get. There are no illusions that more will be contained. What it does do is flesh out the action seen in AVENGERS VS. X-MEN #2. There was a lot that happened in that issue and because many of the battles took place within one panel, there wasn't a complete feeling when reading the issue. Here we get to see what happened between the panels and pages. With Jason Aaron, Adam Kubert, Kathryn Immonen and Stuart Immonen on board, you know there is some quality to the two battles. The slight lack of continuity is frustrating and it will be hard to judge each issue as it will mainly rely on which characters are featured.

#2 Posted by lmothander (109 posts) - - Show Bio

This was the worst issue ever! In Magneto vs Iron man, IM throws a bunch of magnetic discs at Magneto. Wouldn't that be throwing ammo at a hunter?! And then IM uses a magnetic pulse from outer space against Magneto. Again, that's like using venom against a cobra! Should have NO effect! In the Thing vs Namor fight, Namor hits Thing with a big fish. Thing goes down... Next panel, Namor is trapped under a bunch of rocks and Thing subdues him?!? NO continuity! I don't mind the concept of this series, but it looks like there is no real fight planning, just "make sure the avengers win".... Just my .$02

#3 Posted by jubeiyagyuX (121 posts) - - Show Bio

This was the dumbest book I have EVER read! Good Lord!!

#4 Posted by Mercy_ (91871 posts) - - Show Bio
@lmothander

This was the worst issue ever! In Magneto vs Iron man, IM throws a bunch of magnetic discs at Magneto. Wouldn't that be throwing ammo at a hunter?! And then IM uses a magnetic pulse from outer space against Magneto. Again, that's like using venom against a cobra! Should have NO effect! In the Thing vs Namor fight, Namor hits Thing with a big fish. Thing goes down... Next panel, Namor is trapped under a bunch of rocks and Thing subdues him?!? NO continuity! I don't mind the concept of this series, but it looks like there is no real fight planning, just "make sure the avengers win".... Just my .$02

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#5 Posted by TheHeat (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who was disappointed with the winners?

#6 Posted by TheOlympian (111 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man beats Magneto? I've seen it and I still don't believe it. No thank AvS VS.

#7 Posted by Bestostero (5590 posts) - - Show Bio

wasnt complete garbage but close.... way too generous with the 3 rating...

#8 Posted by Mercy_ (91871 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheHeat: No, not at all.

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#9 Posted by SavageDragon (2252 posts) - - Show Bio

G -Man your a little too generous on this one. This i not worth anyone's money, unless its listed at under one dollar.

#10 Posted by revbucky (306 posts) - - Show Bio

I just checked this one out and.....

....well,

.....the artwork is great!

.....but as a miniseries,

.....no way.

#11 Posted by feargalr (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

@lmothander said:

NO continuity! I don't mind the concept of this series, but it looks like there is no real fight planning, just "make sure the avengers win".... Just my .$02

I kinda got this feeling too. But even though its like at the beginning "NO PLOT!" Magneto feeling the phoenix force and subsequently saying they need to get Wanda, kinda struck me as being somewhat plot-ish :/ It almost seems like Magneto isn't as sold on Scott's beliefs, which I think kinda is a big deal.

#12 Posted by Turkeysammich (47 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought the Magneto v. Iron Man fight was great. The idea that Stark would throw everything he could at Magneto just enough to distract him for a couple seconds to get his next attack off made sense to me. Also love Kubert's art and Hollowell's colors were great.

As for Thing beating Namor, I would look at the last panel. It would seem this fight takes before Namor v. Luke in AvX2. Also, as Namor hits Thing with the fish, we see him falling/floating in the ground of 2 other panels. My assumption on the first read through was the fish hit those rock pillars Thing was laying on and knocked into Namor for a minute.

#13 Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7 (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@lmothander:Thought the same thing.

#14 Posted by JamDamage (1118 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheOlympian: I would have figured someone saying "The Thing beats Namor" would have pissed someone off more then Mags nosing to Iron Man. Iron Man to smart for Mags. Figured that one. But Namor losing,,,,,,,,nope. Not to the rock guy.

#15 Posted by Gordo789 (201 posts) - - Show Bio

wow, this seems super unnecessary. unbelievable.

#16 Posted by romica1969 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Woohoo! Avengers taking it to the Extinction Team!

X-Men have power, but the Avengers have intelligence and toughness... and nobody exemplifies those traits better than today's winners.

#17 Posted by DIOMJK (155 posts) - - Show Bio

@JamDamage: Except that Namor has been a long time antagonist to the Fantastic Four since, like, issue 3 of the book. The Thing has beaten him dozens of times over the years, so it was pretty clear who would win here.

#18 Posted by greeneagle (171 posts) - - Show Bio

I totally enjoyed the Magneto Vs IM fight, it showed just how smart, resourceful, creative and determined Tony can be. It shows that it's not the suit that makes him Iron Man. Mags showed just how really powerful he is and Tony won by chance. If Mags hadn't been distracted by loss of connection he felt to one of the planetary sources he was drawing power from, Tony would have been Toast. Great fight though 4 stars

#19 Posted by DATNIGGA (1215 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheHeat: no that was pathetic the x men SHOULD have owned them but the avengers have a movie coming out.. smh

#20 Posted by Skaddix (3106 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really Namor usually beats the Thing.

#21 Posted by ravisher (694 posts) - - Show Bio

how many books is it

#22 Posted by CombatSpoon86 (816 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty much a fight book. Just Fight Fight Fight

#23 Posted by pspin (894 posts) - - Show Bio

Magento vs Iron Man was cool, Iron Man would have definitely lost if Magneto wasn't distracted at the last second.

Thing vs Namor was cool, a throw back to the old days and I bet that it isn't over they going to revisit that for sure.

I hope that Squirrel Girl gets a fight, that would be epic

#24 Posted by _Heart_ (200 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man's battle against Magneto was sheer nonsense! This comic was just pathetic.

#25 Posted by zackattack529 (1404 posts) - - Show Bio

i used this comic for toilet paper after i read it. just terrible

#26 Posted by DominionX (26 posts) - - Show Bio

The Avengers will win every battle right up until May 4th. Seriously, Magneto gets beat by Iron-Man? Really? Namor and the Thing. You just swung a giant fish that looked to be bigger than a whale like a baseball bat but you get trapped by some falling rocks. How does that happen exactly?

Try not to make it so obvious that the Avengers are the company favorites at the moment.

#27 Edited by emirblade (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Everything about this comic seem biased. Both of the losers were at their element but still lost. Also, the dialogue makes the x-men look in the wrong.

Next issue is spidey vs. colossus and gambit vs. cap. America. let's see how that goes.

#28 Edited by FoxxFireArt (3404 posts) - - Show Bio

While I'm not speaking to the thought put into this review. The fact Marvel is pumping the audience for more money to actually see the fights in a series dedicated around hero against hero is rather a disgusting idea. These should be shown in the actual story, and not pushed off to side issues.

#29 Posted by mattwing87 (433 posts) - - Show Bio

"the action cannot be contained to a single series"

That's cause Marvel is secretly a money hungry corporation ;P

#30 Posted by CODYSF (2053 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we as comic fans stop buying crap like this and get better comics that is out there.

#31 Posted by Kallarkz (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

I am truly disgusted by marvel with this series.

#32 Posted by konahamarue (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm utterly disgusted about how the winners won the battle... if the X-men don't take the next 2, I'm done with this. Seriously, Magneto losing to Iron Man... laughable. Namor vs Thing... a joke.

#33 Posted by TheAtheist888 (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Just like everyone else, I too find Magneto vs Iron Man fight pathetic.

#34 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@lmothander said:

This was the worst issue ever! In Magneto vs Iron man, IM throws a bunch of magnetic discs at Magneto. Wouldn't that be throwing ammo at a hunter?! And then IM uses a magnetic pulse from outer space against Magneto. Again, that's like using venom against a cobra! Should have NO effect! In the Thing vs Namor fight, Namor hits Thing with a big fish. Thing goes down... Next panel, Namor is trapped under a bunch of rocks and Thing subdues him?!? NO continuity! I don't mind the concept of this series, but it looks like there is no real fight planning, just "make sure the avengers win".... Just my .$02

Agreed. Worse pile of crap ever, Hell I'll take a bad issue from Fraction's Uncanny run over this. Never thought I'd see the day I would have to say that....but here we are....

#35 Posted by Loki2u (238 posts) - - Show Bio

its a six issue mini series, and six issues to many.

G-man, you need to incorporate a half star system, and don't be afraid to rip on books that suck. I don't take offense to anyone who slags my faves, especially if its warranted. This book was awful and didn't warrant more than 2 stars in my opinion.

#36 Posted by sparty-dbq (849 posts) - - Show Bio

Soooooo.... is the Iron Man/Magneto fight picking up after Quiksilver coldcocked Magneto is issue 2? Because there's no mention of it here. And both were written by the same guy so you can't just say "Oops, musta forgot."

#37 Edited by royale_with_cheese (747 posts) - - Show Bio

See, Iron Man beating Magneto I can live with.....but Thing "subduing" Namor on his own turf? That right there, is the straw that broke the camel's back.

#38 Posted by kaleb2470 (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh. It wasn't really the victors that bothered me so much as the fact that I could have gotten the same thing (plus probably a lot more fun) out of playing with my old box full of Marvel action figures.

#39 Posted by the_fallen11 (635 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it's a good thing we won't be seeing any of these ppl bad mouthing this comic when the review for vs #2 comes out. B/c we ALL know that when comic readers think a comic series is terrible they stop buying it and move on......oh wait.

#40 Edited by kaleb2470 (14 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_fallen11: ...but I like getting my face stuck in a grossed out frown! It makes me look like Clint Eastwood. No, but in all seriousness I'm dropping this AND avx. I just can't stand how little substance and thought is being put into the whole event compared to how successful its been.

#41 Posted by Tchokes (84 posts) - - Show Bio

Art? Good. Great, even.

Dialogues? Good, most part (even though Namor and Thing are disgustingly uninterestinging seems like he has been surviving as the same lame character for years now).

Outcome? Cheap. As usual, no one REALLY loses. Iron Man gets teh upperhand when Magneto suddenly gets stunned by Phoenix Fos emissions, and Namor.... lol... well, he didnt get finished at all. Whats the point of having them fight if no one clearly wins? Also, I am cant believe Magneto, a man that manipulated Protheus' energy with his magnetism, couldnt handle Stark.

#42 Posted by ssj2DeadPool (211 posts) - - Show Bio

Worst book I have ever read. There was more fighting in the Superman book today.

#43 Posted by Rickbarry (1850 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not worth the price.

#44 Posted by ahgunsillyo (113 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm still rather amused by the fact that somebody apparently thought it was a great idea to name this book "Avengers Versus X-Men: Versus."

#45 Posted by ImperiousRix (1050 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually feel more compelled to read THIS mini-series than the ACTUAL mini-series. For one, I like the creative team on it much more. Secondly, really... I'm only interested in the super-fights. Honestly, I don't know WHY everyone is fighting and am not sure I'd care even if I knew.

I just wanna see X-Men and Avengers punch each other in the face.

#46 Posted by THEBlaqueBasterd (383 posts) - - Show Bio

@DATNIGGA: THIS

#47 Edited by THEBlaqueBasterd (383 posts) - - Show Bio

u know sumthins up when ur a master of magnetism who doesnt win a fight against a man wearing an IRON SUIT

And your a SUPERSTRONG PRINCE OF THE SEA.. who gets whupped in whats basically ur backyard

Marvel are slowly becoming trash.. now only seeming to hit high notes thru blind luck, stumbling onto good storylines or transparently creating polarising/devisive issues ..i just feel sorry for the extremely talented artists who get commissioned for tissue-backups like this, coz rilly they dont earn enough to tell editors/writers to shove it when they outline these socalled "plots" to em

#48 Edited by Whoa (489 posts) - - Show Bio

Just because an Avengers movie is coming out doesn't mean you must make every Avenger win the fight MARVEL!!! ugh... (especially when the fights and outcomes were the biggest case of ridiculousness I have ever read)

#49 Posted by Darth_Wolfram (10 posts) - - Show Bio

@THEBlaqueBasterd said:

u know sumthins up when ur a master of magnetism who doesnt win a fight against a man wearing an IRON SUIT

Could you at least read the book before posting hateful comments

if you had read the book, or quiet a few iron man issues you'd know that the IRON MAN SUIT ISN'T MADE OF IRON, or any other metal

#50 Posted by DATNIGGA (1215 posts) - - Show Bio

@Whoa: Colossus was owning until he held himself back & Rulk wins smh... though later in the issues it looks like the x men get them back for it

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