A lot of claims/comparisons are made about these two so I thought I would try and summarize the thoughts. Unless stated otherwise all of these are regarding Thor and Hercules on a purely physical level with no extra powers like Thor's storm abilities.
1. Thor and Hercules are both highly skilled unarmed fighters.
2. Both are highly skilled armed fighters. Both are very good with bludgeon weapons. Hercules is probable a bit better with some Greek weapons like a discus or a bow and arrow and Thor is probable better with a sword. (Seriously, how often is Thor seen with or noted to be good with a discus and the same for Hercules with a sword.) However, both are no doubt skilled to some degree with both just not ultimate masters of them.
3. Thor and Hercules are under normal circumstances physical equal in the strength department.
4. Thor and Hercules are overall equal in battle.
5. Hercules is SLIGHTLY more skilled with h2h due to inventing Pankration and fighting 99% of the time without a weapon.
6. Thor is SLIGHTLY more skilled with a war hammer/mace weapon due to fighting with Mjolnir 99% of the time.
7. Hercules h2h = Thor w/Mjolnir
8. Hercules w/Mace = Thor unarmed
9. Thor with his full energy powers is too much for Hercules.
thoughts?
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Would you say the following between Thor and Herc are true?
1. Agreed.
2. I'd say Hercules has more experience with more different kinds of weapons due to his various training and activities in wars. I think he's probably equal to Hawkeye in archery but hesistant to use it and it's been said that he's better than at least USAgent with the discus/shield.
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
5. I don't know if Herc is more skilled with h2h but it is one of his preferred methods in fighting, up close and personal. Thor tends to fight more at range.
6. I don't know about this either, Mjolnir is just a much more impressive weapon.
7. and 8. I dunno how you can say Hercules unarmed equals Thor with Mjolnir and yet Hercules with Adamantine Mace equals unarmed Thor. I don't think Hercules' mace really affects his fighting unless fighting something completely invulnerable where he'll need it. I'd say when fighting each other both tend to just smack each other so having a mace or Mjolnir. If Thor really needed to take out Hercules and he could refrain from taking the challenge as a matter of honor or something he could actually use Mjolnir well enough to take out Herc.
9. If Thor really needed to take out Herc and wasn't hindered by honor he could beat Hercules.
1. Yes
2. Hercules Is Better
3. Hercules is Stronger Physically
4. Without Pis i can see Hercules Beating Thor
5. Hercules is more skilled with h2h due to inventing Pankration and fighting 99% of the time without a weapon.
6. No. but he is Way better in magic
7. Hercules h2h => Thor w/Mjolnir
8. Hercules w/Mace => Thor unarmed
9. Lol no
Why is Hercules better armed? Thor has fought impressively with a sword and hammer and Hercules fights mostly unarmed.2. Hercules Is Better
@D3athstroke said:
What proof do you have? All the comic comparisons and virtually all the handbooks portray the two as being equal.3. Hercules is Stronger Physically
@D3athstroke said:
So why can't Thor defeat Hercules or are you saying that in a purely physical battle the two are about even?4. Without Pis i can see Hercules Beating Thor
@D3athstroke said:
Why do you disagree with Thor being better with a blundeon weapon. As we previously established Hercules is better h2h due to fighting 99% of the time unarmed. Since Thor fights 99% of the time armed why is he not to some degree better than Hercules in this field?6. No. but he is Way better in magic
@D3athstroke said:
Why is Hercules better in both areas than Thor? Are you saying Thor is less of a warrior than Hercules? If so why?7. Hercules h2h => Thor w/Mjolnir 8. Hercules w/Mace => Thor unarmed
@D3athstroke said:
So, should Thor decide to call upon his weather or energy powers how would Hercules counter hurricane winds that could lift him into the sky, massive waves of energy on a level that can hurt him, etc. and still maintain enough strength and stamina to take on Thor physically? How would Hercules counter Thor's range attacks?9. Lol no
@PrinceIMC said:
It has to do with comfort and fighting ability with a weapon. Another example could be Fandral the Dashing. He is considered the best swordsman in Asgard. He is better than either Thor or Hercules with that particular weapon. Both of them may be skilled or even highly skilled with it, but Fandral uses it all the time. In a direct sword fight between him and one of them he SHOULD win most of the time. However, Fandral does not fight unarmed that often as far as we know. I have no doubt he knows how to and has some skill in the area so he would be far below Hercules in that area. So even though this is imperfect one could say Fandral w/sword = Hercules unarmed. Both are so skilled in the area named that it makes them equal in skill when comparing those two areas and minus any physical abilities. However, if you were to give Hercules say...nunchucks his skill with them would probable equal Fandral's unarmed or even be below it.7. and 8. I dunno how you can say Hercules unarmed equals Thor with Mjolnir and yet Hercules with Adamantine Mace equals unarmed Thor. I don't think Hercules' mace really affects his fighting unless fighting something completely invulnerable where he'll need it. I'd say when fighting each other both tend to just smack each other so having a mace or Mjolnir. If Thor really needed to take out Hercules and he could refrain from taking the challenge as a matter of honor or something he could actually use Mjolnir well enough to take out Herc.
So, in this case Hercules's skill unarmed combined with his other physical abilities makes him about as dangerous as Thor armed with Mjolnir minus any other abilities. Due to using the Golden Mace far less than Thor uses Mjolnir or unarmed. Thor has the rare times he has needed to demonstrated himself to be a highly skilled unarmed fighter. So Hercules's skill with the Golden Mace combined with all of his other physical abilities makes him about as dangerous as Thor unarmed.
Hercules Was Able to Knock Down Atum in Demogorge Form And Rip Adamantine Wall With Hit
He Withstood Magic of Sky father level Gods unharmed He was hit by thunderbolt of Zeus aimed for kill and survived without any serious injury
He was hit by magic which was melting Adamantine on his forehead and was unharmed
So i cant see Thor Harming him with Magic or winning physical fight
Hercules Was Able to Knock Down Atum in Demogorge Form And Rip Adamantine Wall With HitHe Withstood Magic of Sky father level Gods unharmed He was hit by thunderbolt of Zeus aimed for kill and survived without any serious injury He was hit by magic which was melting Adamantine on his forehead and was unharmed So i cant see Thor Harming him with Magic or winning physical fightCould you please name me the stories where these events occurred? I belief the Atum one might be from Sacred Invasion, but what about the others? Also, if I may what are your thoughts on some of the other issues I raised?
@D3athstroke said:Hercules is fighting with weapons all the time he even has killed skyfather Level beings with Weapons2. Hercules Is BetterWhy is Hercules better armed? Thor has fought impressively with a sword and hammer and Hercules fights mostly unarmed.
@seekquaze said:
Yet Blow from Hercules can knock Atum off his feet and rip Golems made from adamantine and dent walls from the same material
@D3athstroke said:3. Hercules is Stronger PhysicallyWhat proof do you have? All the comic comparisons and virtually all the handbooks portray the two as being equal.
@seekquaze said:
Thor is not better with blunt weapons he just has better weapon Mjolnir
Why do you disagree with Thor being better with a blundeon weapon. As we previously established Hercules is better h2h due to fighting 99% of the time unarmed. Since Thor fights 99% of the time armed why is he not to some degree better than Hercules in this field?
Only reason people are saying that Hercules will lose to Thor is because Thor has more "powers"
It is not like they are going to harm Hercules or something it is just how overrated Thor is here
look at Thor vs Thread
"Thor wins "his enemy" is pure Piss !"
"Thor only lose to him because he was holding back !"
"pis pis pis pis pis"
"Thor one shots hulk"
"Hercules is no match for him"
Today i posted picture of Rulk beating Thor and got like 8 replays saying that it was piss, leobforce, bad writing, wis and in recent issues Thor beat Rulk no one even thought that Rulk was depowered in "World War Hulks " because if thor loses it is pis pis pis or wis !
Titans Clash also had Zeus trembling at the Hulk's presence and wounded by a spear thrown by a regular giant. Not the best day for skyfathers. Typhon has always more or less been portrayed as maybe a bit higher than Hercules and never at the full power as when he fought Zeus. Some of the older stories even have him getting stronger as he reverted to a more monstrous form.Hercules is fighting with weapons all the time he even has killed skyfather Level beings with Weapons
@D3athstroke said:
Yet Blow from Hercules can knock Atum off his feet and rip Golems made from adamantine and dent walls from the same materialAs for the autotons I've looked through the issue and it states they were gold plated, but nothing is mentioned of them being made of adamantine. Hercules is very strong to even dent it, but one old story has Thor barely denting adamantium as well. And yes Hercules is very strong I have never disputed that. We have also seen Thor throw a giant sword to knock a much larger and powerful Celestial off its feet.
@D3athstroke said:
Thor is not better with blunt weapons he just has better weapon MjolnirWhy would Hercules be as good as Thor with a blunt weapon when Herc barely uses his instead relying on his fists and Thor uses a blunt weapon just about all the time for thousands of years? Following this thinking shouldn't Thor be just as good as Hercules at h2h despite not using is anywhere near as much. Both have lived for thousands of years and surely Thor is as experience a warrior as Hercules is?
Only reason people are saying that Hercules will lose to Thor is because Thor has more "powers"
It is not like they are going to harm Hercules or something it is just how overrated Thor is here
look at Thor vs Thread
And yes, Thor's other power can work on a level to harm Hercules. They have harmed the Hulk in the past and other powerful beings on Thor's level or above. Hulk has reacted from pain from them and one time was koed. Mangog has been brought to his knees by them. The Dark God Perrikus and Gladiator of the Shi'ar have all both been hurt by energy blasts from Thor's hammer. even Surtur admitted one of Thor's powered -up attacks hurt him. The energy powers and not necessarily and instant win, but to say use of them would not take a toll on Hercules does not make any sense. @D3athstroke said:
I have never stated Thor is invincible. I have always regarded him and Herc as pretty much physically equal and equal in battle under purely physical conditions because that is the way they have always been portrayed. The fact is that Thor has a magic hammer that grants him access to options that Hercules lacks. You seem very hostile. If I may ask do you hate the Thor character?
"Thor wins "his enemy" is pure Piss !"
"Thor only lose to him because he was holding back !"
"pis pis pis pis pis"
"Thor one shots hulk"
"Hercules is no match for him"Today i posted picture of Rulk beating Thor and got like 8 replays saying that it was piss, leobforce, bad writing, wis and in recent issues Thor beat Rulk no one even thought that Rulk was depowered in "World War Hulks " because if thor loses it is pis pis pis or wis !
lol this is getting old
1 - Yes they are.
2 - Herc is better at some Thor is better at others, but yeah they are both good.
3 - Yes.
4 - Overall yes.
5 - Yes.
6 - Correct.
7 - Maybe, but you can't be sure.
8 - * looks at line above *
9 - Yes.
@seekquaze said:
A lot of claims/comparisons are made about these two so I thought I
would try and summarize the thoughts. Unless stated otherwise all of
these are regarding Thor and Hercules on a purely physical level with no
extra powers like Thor's storm abilities.
1. Thor and Hercules are both highly skilled unarmed fighters.
2. Both are highly skilled armed fighters. Both are very good with
bludgeon weapons. Hercules is probable a bit better with some Greek
weapons like a discus or a bow and arrow and Thor is probable better
with a sword. (Seriously, how often is Thor seen with or noted to be
good with a discus and the same for Hercules with a sword.) However,
both are no doubt skilled to some degree with both just not ultimate
masters of them.
3. Thor and Hercules are under normal circumstances physical equal in the strength department.
4. Thor and Hercules are overall equal in battle.
5. Hercules is SLIGHTLY more skilled with h2h due to inventing Pankration and fighting 99% of the time without a weapon.
6. Thor is SLIGHTLY more skilled with a war hammer/mace weapon due to fighting with Mjolnir 99% of the time.
7. Hercules h2h = Thor w/Mjolnir
8. Hercules w/Mace = Thor unarmed
9. Thor with his full energy powers is too much for Hercules.
thoughts?
I agree with all of this except:
2. Currently Hercules has been showing his skill using the Sword of Peleus, so he may possibly be a swordsman equal to or more skilled than Thor. I don't know.
3. Hercules has a slight edge over Thor in sheer physical strength. So Hercules is stronger than Thor. This is stated quite clearly in the original OHOTMU '83 (#5 and #11).
7. Thor with Mjolnir (and using to it's fullest potential) is superior to Hercules. Thor w/Mjolnir > Hercules.
8. Hercules with his mace is superior to Thor unarmed. Hercules > Thor unarmed
2. Agreed, we know Hercules and Thor are both skilled with swords we just don't know how much. I am sure some more Greek weapons like the discuss Hercules is superior to and others more viking weapons like axes Thor is probable a bit better with.I agree with all of this except:
2. Currently Hercules has been showing his skill using the Sword of Peleus, so he may possibly be a swordsman equal to or more skilled than Thor. I don't know.
3. Hercules has a slight edge over Thor in sheer physical strength. Hercules is slightly stronger than Thor. This is stated quite clearly in the original OHOTMU '83 (#5 and #11).
7. Thor with Mjolnir (and using to it's fullest potential) is superior to Thor. Hercules < Thor w/Mjolnir.
8. Hercules with his mace is superior to Thor unarmed. Hercules > Thor unarmed
3. Hercules's physical strength compared to Thor seems to be the greatest debate. Some like you cite the handbooks as proof that Hercules is a bit stronger. Others like me lean more toward the comics that portray them as equal. Either way if there is a strength difference I don't think it is enough to matter much.
7. I don't think I quite get this. Thor with Mjolnir is superior to Thor???? Do you mean unarmed Thor? But you do agree that Hercules unarmed is < Thor w/Mjolnir (not including energy powers of course) ?
Thor has beaten skyfathers and Hell lords in their own realms but in terms of Physical strength they are equal
I agree with this. I have always considered Hercules to be slightly stronger than Thor.
thoughts?I agree with all of this except:
2. Currently Hercules has been showing his skill using the Sword of Peleus, so he may possibly be a swordsman equal to or more skilled than Thor. I don't know.
3. Hercules has a slight edge over Thor in sheer physical strength. So Hercules is stronger than Thor. This is stated quite clearly in the original OHOTMU '83 (#5 and #11).
7. Thor with Mjolnir (and using to it's fullest potential) is superior to Hercules. Thor w/Mjolnir > Hercules.
8. Hercules with his mace is superior to Thor unarmed. Hercules > Thor unarmed
I enjoyed reading these posts. Very interesting. But either way you put , It could be a classic. But Thor Odinson is the most formidable of the two. His hammer gives him more defensive and offensive moves. An example. Thanos fires a blast of @&^^%#$$%. Thor blocks with the hammer. Herc gets fried gumbo style. Hercules is not a better fighter than Thor . Forget what was wrote. The strongest fighter doe'snt always win or lose.
1. Agreed. Though I think Hercules to be more skilled than Thor as an unarmed figther.
2. In this point I think Hercules is skilled in more weapons than Thor. Hercules is skilled with every type of weapons that were used by the Greeks be that swords, maces, hammers, bows and even shields (the axe was not very used nor the war hammer). Hercules proved in his new series to be a great swordsman (wielding the sword of Peleus). The mace was a weapon Hercules used for quite a long time (he only droped the mace and many of his other weapons/items when he died and Zeus ascended him to full godhood). Though the hammer was used more by the Vikings, I don't think there's a major diference between both mace or hammer. Both are wielded the same way, only the war hammer may have a longer reach. Hercules as also proved to be an excellent marksman/archer stated to be as good or even better than Hawkeye. He was trained by Artemis herself As for the axe I think Thor may be better than Herc.
3. Hercules is stronger than Thor as stated in the original OHOTMU '83 but in the books they're portrayted to be equals. If Hercules is really stronger than Thor I don't think it's enough to make a diference.
4. Agreed.
5. Agreed
6. I don't quite agree with this. Everytime both fougth with their weapons, none showed to be more or less skilled. Every time one would attack the other would always block with his weapon. I know Herc usually doesn't use his mace nowadays but he does have more than 3000 years of experience with it, while Thor is much younger than Herc. Thor was around from the 8th century to the 11th one (actually a bit sooner as he was already called Donar by the Germans) and Herc has been around for 3000 years. And if we go by waht Marvel states, the Thor that lived from the 8th century to the 11th century is not the Marvel Thor. Marvel's Thor only came to life after the Ragnarok of the original myth asgardians. So Marvel's Thor is quite young (for gods) and has much less years of experience with weapons than Herc.
7. If none other skill is used, I think Herc is better unarmed than Thor with his hammer. This doesn't mean that I think Herc would win if they fougth in this manner. Herc would need to hit Thor quite a few times while Thor only needed to hit Herc a "couple" of times with the hammer to take him down.
8. With all the years of experience and because of the diference of ages as I explained above I do think Hercules w/ mace > Thor unarmed.
9. Agreed. Thor using his full powers would defeat Hercules.
@seekquaze said:
A lot of claims/comparisons are made about these two so I thought I would try and summarize the thoughts. Unless stated otherwise all of these are regarding Thor and Hercules on a purely physical level with no extra powers like Thor's storm abilities. 1. Thor and Hercules are both highly skilled unarmed fighters. 2. Both are highly skilled armed fighters. Both are very good with bludgeon weapons. Hercules is probable a bit better with some Greek weapons like a discus or a bow and arrow and Thor is probable better with a sword. (Seriously, how often is Thor seen with or noted to be good with a discus and the same for Hercules with a sword.) However, both are no doubt skilled to some degree with both just not ultimate masters of them. 3. Thor and Hercules are under normal circumstances physical equal in the strength department. 4. Thor and Hercules are overall equal in battle. 5. Hercules is SLIGHTLY more skilled with h2h due to inventing Pankration and fighting 99% of the time without a weapon. 6. Thor is SLIGHTLY more skilled with a war hammer/mace weapon due to fighting with Mjolnir 99% of the time. 7. Hercules h2h = Thor w/Mjolnir 8. Hercules w/Mace = Thor unarmed 9. Thor with his full energy powers is too much for Hercules. thoughts?
Sounds accurate. Though Thor's experience with Ragnarok have def improved his H2h
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