Worst line up ever...

#1 Posted by consolemaster001 (4480 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's Daredevil, Luke cage, Iron fist, Songbird, Vision and Ant-Man ?

More then half the team is not recognizable. Is this is one of marvels crappy atempts at giving their less popular characters a shot by screwing over their more iconic heroes ?

#2 Posted by frozenedge (930 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, only about 3 or four people on the team are unrecognizable. You've got a Captain Universe, Captain America, Hyperion, Spiderman, Spider-Woman, Falcon, Cannonball, Wolverine, Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel, and i think Sunspot. The team isn't even that bad. But even if half the team were unrecognizable, its still pretty good Marvel decided to use characters that have no relation to Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, or any of the team regulars

#3 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (11736 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001 said:

Where's Daredevil, Luke cage, Iron fist, Songbird, Vision and Ant-Man ?

More then half the team is not recognizable. Is this is one of marvels crappy atempts at giving their less popular characters a shot by screwing over their more iconic heroes ?

i know, a somewhat original line up...its so horrible isnt it?

#4 Posted by Juandicimo_Magnifico45 (150 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by KnightRise (4753 posts) - - Show Bio

Recognize-8/13. Know anything about-6/13.

My only qualm is that 13 members seems like a large roster. I'd be concerned about the development time of the lesser known characters.

#6 Posted by Daycrawler (550 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001 said:

Where's Daredevil, Luke cage, Iron fist, Songbird, Vision and Ant-Man ?

More then half the team is not recognizable. Is this is one of marvels crappy atempts at giving their less popular characters a shot by screwing over their more iconic heroes ?

Luke Cage quit, Ant-Man is with the FF (or dead or soon to be appearing in Cap's book, depending which version you mean), Songbird's a Thunderbolt last I checked and I'm sure I read somewhere that Vision will be in an upcoming Avengers annual (though that may just be all in my head). As for the others, who knows. It's early days yet, so give it a chance. The whole point of the new Avengers book is that they are going 'Big' - i.e. the roster has increase a fair bit, but most of them are only on standby for any humongous crisis that may occur. The first issue clearly shows that many of the iconic Avengers are still in play (Thor, Hulk, Widow, Hawkeye, Cap, Iron Man). Add them to those in the above picture (Wolverine, Spidey, Spider-woman, Capt Marvel) and core Avengers are still pretty well represented. Wanda and Wolverine are also in the Uncanny Avengers squad, with Wonder Man joining soon. Black Panther will be in New Avengers too. Don't think there's anything to worry about. Don't complain, enjoy the fact that some diversity and new blood is being added to the franchise!

#7 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (5012 posts) - - Show Bio

I picked up #1. Art is spot on. But won't be picking it up anymore. The roster is too big and I barely know most of the characters. Im new to comics so I don't like reading about unknown characters. And it comes out every 2 weeks and 3.99. It's not worth it.

#8 Posted by The_Tree (6422 posts) - - Show Bio

When it comes to being iconic, yes, it's not that great. But what truly matters is the story, and Hickman is sure to deliver.

#9 Posted by War Killer (19500 posts) - - Show Bio

I won't lie, except for Cap, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Spidey, and Wolverine, I was disappointed with this new line-up. Still annoyed that Hyperion gets to be an Avenger yet Marvel just acts like Blue Marvel doesn't exist.

#10 Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

@War Killer said:

I won't lie, except for Cap, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Spidey, and Wolverine, I was disappointed with this new line-up. Still annoyed that Hyperion gets to be an Avenger yet Marvel just acts like Blue Marvel doesn't exist.

Agreed. I think Blue Marvel really could be Marvel's Superman if they let him, since they seem so keen on making sure they have one what with Hyperion who's basically Superman in a different costume, the failure that was Sentry, and Gladiator who while cool is off ruling an empire.

#11 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

@Smart_Dork_Dude said:

@War Killer said:

I won't lie, except for Cap, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Spidey, and Wolverine, I was disappointed with this new line-up. Still annoyed that Hyperion gets to be an Avenger yet Marvel just acts like Blue Marvel doesn't exist.

Agreed. I think Blue Marvel really could be Marvel's Superman if they let him, since they seem so keen on making sure they have one what with Hyperion who's basically Superman in a different costume, the failure that was Sentry, and Gladiator who while cool is off ruling an empire.

Or they could just make Thor Marvel's Superman. That's how I always saw him as anyways. Much prefer that then have them try to force some character I don't care about down my throat *cough* Sentry *cough*.

#12 Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde: Don't get me wrong, Thor is for all intents and purposes Marvel's Superman, even if they don't showcase that a lot.

What I meant with the "Marvel's Superman" thing is that Marvel does have a tendency to make Superman-like characters a lot. Hyperion, unless it's the villain version, is literally a palate swapped Superman. If I want Superman then I'd read Superman. Gladiator I actually like because while he does have Supes powers and even his costume is similar in a lot of ways, he's entirely different from Superman in terms of personality.

My point is that if you're going to make a Superman-like character, DON'T make him exactly like Superman. Powers aren't the issue, it's personality, setting, if you DO make a Superman homage then make it an homage and not a rip-off.

As for Blue Marvel, I think he has a chance to be a great character, I know I found him interesting when he first showed up. His origin was unique and in all honesty he had a slight Kingdom Come Superman feel about him, but there wasn't enough time for me to say whether I really liked him because he seemed to fade into obscurity almost as fast as he appeared.

#13 Posted by SupremeHyperion (1390 posts) - - Show Bio

The whole point of the new series is to boost the roster. I don't think this is going to be a book where the lineup always stays the same throughout but will change up and introduce different characters when different challenges arise. I love the lineup and I really like the older characters they are looking to bring back into the mix. Plus the fact that Hyperion is finally in mainstream 616 material has me pumped. I never have issues when Marvel wants to introduce new characters.... The new members and hightened roster just makes sense when you look at all the different and diverse challenges a super-team will face... the same 5 people can't solve every problem.

#14 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4518 posts) - - Show Bio

I wanna see this guy as well!

Blue Marvel rules!

#15 Posted by fodigg (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

I like seeing lesser-knowns get a spotlight in the wake of Point One. It's the complete opposite of a revamp.

#16 Posted by consolemaster001 (4480 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

@Smart_Dork_Dude said:

@War Killer said:

I won't lie, except for Cap, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Spidey, and Wolverine, I was disappointed with this new line-up. Still annoyed that Hyperion gets to be an Avenger yet Marvel just acts like Blue Marvel doesn't exist.

Agreed. I think Blue Marvel really could be Marvel's Superman if they let him, since they seem so keen on making sure they have one what with Hyperion who's basically Superman in a different costume, the failure that was Sentry, and Gladiator who while cool is off ruling an empire.

Or they could just make Thor Marvel's Superman. That's how I always saw him as anyways. Much prefer that then have them try to force some character I don't care about down my throat *cough* Sentry *cough*.

Exactly ! didn't they once give that guy an entire new avengers story arc ?

#17 Posted by PowerHerc (78172 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperion is an Avenger. Wow!

#18 Posted by joshmightbe (24101 posts) - - Show Bio

I've seen worse line ups but that artist needs to get smacked

#19 Posted by THORSON (2040 posts) - - Show Bio

i think its great to have other heros get the spot light, in order to be known.

#20 Posted by tg1982 (2707 posts) - - Show Bio

This line up looks pretty good.

#21 Edited by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

There are two future ones one is the A-next which include: American Dream, speed, j2, Freeboot, Stinger. They were still young and not much fights.

The other is avengers next as I said before they are young but they are what is left.

They are considered Avengers wait do Great Lake Avengers Count?

#22 Posted by badaboop (136 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm intrigued about the lineup because it's got a lot of characters I know little about and am interested in seeing how Hickman uses them. I'm a fan of his and the first issue already lured me in with its sense of 'epic' in terms of story and narration.

However, what does concern me is the size of this team. It's already pretty big and we've only just finished the first issue, I hope Hickman is able to use them all accordingly and give us a good dose of characterization from each of them.

#23 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (5554 posts) - - Show Bio

The big symbol with all the little logos is interesting. It looks like it'll be a 24 member team, split into 4 sub teams, with Black Widow and Hawkeye left on their own. And it looks like they'll be adding 2 members who are deemed to be as important as the 6 in the main circle. Who could they be? Wasp and Ant Man perhaps?

By the way, I'm Scarlotte. Hi everyone.

#24 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

y'know, at first I thought having such a big Avengers team would be be too unwieldy, relegating most of the characters to the background (much like many of the X-men books have been for too long), but then something reminded me of the old Secret Wars from back in the 80's. There was something like 20 superheros in that, plus almost as many villains, and over the course of the series (12 issues) almost all of them had some great character moments.

That said, I think a large cast can be perfect for what I like about the Avengers, and, while I might not be interested in some of these lesser known/new characters, this team still has almost all of my favourite Avengers -and the first issue WAS a lot of fun- so I'm willing to give this book a chance.

#25 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

and, in response to your question, this is the worst Avengers line up.

#26 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

This line-up is an abomination, but not for the reasons the OP stated.  
 
An Avengers team does not need a group of super-well knowns to be an Avengers team. It's about the best heroes coming together to form a cohesive team. Hickman's Avengers is simply movie characters, cash-cows and his own ego (characters he's created for the team) thrown in. 
 
For an excellent Avengers team that was made up of B-Graders, see Hank Pym's Mighty Avengers. A team that absolutely destroys this one in a series that is ten million times better than Hickman's wankfest. 

#27 Posted by TDK_1997 (13729 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it's not the best but I am not that mad.It has some cool guys.

#28 Posted by papad1992 (6815 posts) - - Show Bio

@SupremeHyperion said:

The whole point of the new series is to boost the roster. I don't think this is going to be a book where the lineup always stays the same throughout but will change up and introduce different characters when different challenges arise. I love the lineup and I really like the older characters they are looking to bring back into the mix. Plus the fact that Hyperion is finally in mainstream 616 material has me pumped. I never have issues when Marvel wants to introduce new characters.... The new members and hightened roster just makes sense when you look at all the different and diverse challenges a super-team will face... the same 5 people can't solve every problem.

EXACTLY!!

#29 Posted by consolemaster001 (4480 posts) - - Show Bio

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

The big symbol with all the little logos is interesting. It looks like it'll be a 24 member team, split into 4 sub teams, with Black Widow and Hawkeye left on their own. And it looks like they'll be adding 2 members who are deemed to be as important as the 6 in the main circle. Who could they be? Wasp and Ant Man perhaps?

By the way, I'm Scarlotte. Hi everyone.

Hi Scarlotte !

#30 Posted by cdrshado (23 posts) - - Show Bio

I've been reading the Avengers for over 40 years, and I am only offended that Wolverine is going to appearing in 2 Avengers titles and Vision, Hank Pym and Jacosta wont be appearing in any. Hey if they can sell, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Luke Cage and Spiderman as Avengers then they shouldn't have any problem with this line up. They are going to need it.

#31 Posted by MattDoobie (7 posts) - - Show Bio

I appreciate the opportunity to get to know lesser known character better. I'm in no way worried about Hickman excelling on those books. My only problem is that I have to buy 2 a month.

#32 Edited by HushoftheWind (635 posts) - - Show Bio

So new Nova is gonna be or is already an Avenger, right? And Cannonball has joined the team too, correct? Wouldn't make Cannonball pretty much null and void b/c Nova can do what Cannonball does and then some?

#33 Posted by Target_X (379 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it a lot, personally.

#34 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (5012 posts) - - Show Bio

Just because Some old members aren't coming back, doesn't mean the line up is bad. and It's great that some not much unknown characters getting the spotlight.

#35 Posted by TheCannon (16084 posts) - - Show Bio

I could forgive most of the unrecognizable people if Spider-Man and Wolverine weren't there. But they ruin it.

#36 Posted by HulkSlayerT1000 (1066 posts) - - Show Bio

@consolemaster001 said:

Where's Daredevil, Luke cage, Iron fist, Songbird, Vision and Ant-Man ?

More then half the team is not recognizable. Is this is one of marvels crappy atempts at giving their less popular characters a shot by screwing over their more iconic heroes ?

thats bad right there....lololol

#37 Posted by MrArrogant (149 posts) - - Show Bio

@MadeinBangladesh said:

I picked up #1. Art is spot on. But won't be picking it up anymore. The roster is too big and I barely know most of the characters. Im new to comics so I don't like reading about unknown characters. And it comes out every 2 weeks and 3.99. It's not worth it.

You should check out Avengers Assemble, it's a monthly and features the movie cast so it's new reader friendly. Start at issue 9, the awesome Kelly Sue Deconnick takes over writing duties and the always great Stefano Casseli does art.

#38 Posted by V_Scarlotte_Rose (5554 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrArrogant: @MrArrogant said:

@MadeinBangladesh said:

I picked up #1. Art is spot on. But won't be picking it up anymore. The roster is too big and I barely know most of the characters. Im new to comics so I don't like reading about unknown characters. And it comes out every 2 weeks and 3.99. It's not worth it.

You should check out Avengers Assemble, it's a monthly and features the movie cast so it's new reader friendly. Start at issue 9, the awesome Kelly Sue Deconnick takes over writing duties and the always great Stefano Casseli does art.

I'll back you up on this. I've started buying it because Kelly Sue DeConnick's taken over, and it looks like it's gonna be good. Speaking of Kelly Sue, apparently issue 9 is a good jumping on point for her Captain Marvel series, which has been quite enjoyable so far. :)

#39 Posted by Spawn92 (278 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's a pretty good roster, considering the main Avengers are still there (just not on this panel), and now Hickman is introducing a bunch of obscured characters into the roster instead of making new, annoying ones (see XMen books). I think it's great that someone finally decided to give the more unknown characters a shot at being in the main roster of the biggest team at Marvel.

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