What is the political alignment of Captain America and Iron Man?

#1 Posted by Frohman (6 posts) - - Show Bio

 What is the political alignment of Captain America and Iron Man? You see, I thought they were both generally Libertarians. Believing in the people, human rights, etc, etc. I ron Man has his avocation for private ownership rights while Cpt. America holds individualism in high regard. I don't think either would fall too hard on the Libertarian Left or Libertarian Right since neither scream 'Anarchist' at me.
 
But, having such similar views, why was there such political conflict between the two in Civil War?
Was there something I missed when analyzing their political alignments or what?

#2 Posted by RazzaTazz (9647 posts) - - Show Bio

Like most superheroes I think they would be Democrats (at least in the American scheme of things)  I would say Republican for CA but as you rightfully point out he was against superhero registration, which is pretty liberal to me (Civil War was supposed to be a parable for the deabte over the Patriot Act.)  Iron Man exhibits a lot of very liberal leanings, anti-war, pro-environment.  I think its safe to say Tony is Liberal without too much debate.   
 
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#3 Posted by Frohman (6 posts) - - Show Bio

.@RazzaTazz said:

" Like most superheroes I think they would be Democrats (at least in the American scheme of things)  I would say Republican for CA but as you rightfully point out he was against superhero registration, which is pretty liberal to me (Civil War was supposed to be a parable for the deabte over the Patriot Act.)  Iron Man exhibits a lot of very liberal leanings, anti-war, pro-environment.  I think its safe to say Tony is Liberal without too much debate.     "

While I may agree with the Captain being a republican, I can't see him agreeing with the nitty gritty (like being anti-union), and I definitely can't see him agreeing with the likes of Ronald Reagan.
#4 Posted by Doctor!!!!! (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

Capt..... Republican 
Ironman..... Democrat 
#5 Posted by Nefarious (20626 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man can be seen as a capitalist. Captain America is more patriotic.

#6 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13268 posts) - - Show Bio

i remember reading somewhere that both are democrats
#7 Edited by digimod (239 posts) - - Show Bio

 It is very hard to say - they hold certain ideals and reject others from each party.  I would guess that to be effective superheroes they remain unaligned.

#8 Posted by Zaiyan (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is old Republican like Eisenhower but may agree a lot with JFK....but I don't think he's Democrat, he's old Republican
Tony RIGHTWING EXTREME....he's the guy who makes liberal commentators crap their pants..... patriot act, tapping u withg spy satelites....the whole civil war thing was a reflection of the internal battle the republican party was having  coming to the end of GW years, Ironman is the modern neocon like Rumsfeld, Condi, Arnie + partying and womanizing but with time Tony changed his views over the years and became more left/centrist...cut down his blitzing and bombing, stopped drinking and listened to the hippies once in a while

#9 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
@frohman said:
" But, having such similar views, why was there such political conflict between the two in Civil War? Was there something I missed when analyzing their political alignments or what? "
No you haven't missed anything. Civil War was made with utmost disregard for the characters involved in it.
#10 Posted by Zaiyan (461 posts) - - Show Bio

Civil War just pushed Tony back into his own old school ways of doing business like he had just finished dropping a few bombs in Nam, went straight from Hanoi to NYC and then turned on his own people. Civil War went back to old Tony and ignored any of Tony's modern character development. They later expalin it with a retcon saying the Extremis upgrade started to mess with Tony's mind which is why he went all neocon

#11 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8116 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America is Pro Communist MWAHAHAHA

#12 Posted by karrob (4280 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
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Iron Man can be seen as a capitalist. Captain America is more patriotic.

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I agree
#13 Posted by Nefarious (20626 posts) - - Show Bio
@karrob: QFT.
#14 Posted by Malonius (887 posts) - - Show Bio

I assume Cap would be a Roosevelt Democrat coming out of WWII and all. That was a different era so it doesn't fit into what we think of as liberal or conservative presently. I think they're both to smart to be simple partisan idealogues anyway. It was my impression that Cap was acting more out of personal loyalty to the heroes that Stark was arresting and jailing than fighting Registration from a political stance. Cap was always in the chain of command whether Army or SHIELD. Cap probably could have lived with Registration if heroes weren't being hunted down without cause.

#15 Posted by PowerHerc (84331 posts) - - Show Bio

Non-affiliated, down the middle with both leaning slightly to the right.
#16 Edited by scourgexlvii (124 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, I think it really just depends on who is writing them at the time, since I've read multiple canon sources, where it lists Cap's political alignment, and they almost always conflict with each other. The only constants being that Captain America is for Personal freedom, and Iron Man is for Capitalsim. I'd put them averaging out around libertarian, with Cap being slightly left leaning, and Tony being slightly right leaning.

#17 Posted by Mr. Ubiquitous (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, they BOTH love their country, that's for certain. I can't say the same for the modern era liberal, who by creed, leans left, and even worse, socialist/fascist ....neither Cap nor Iron Man sync up with such an anti-American ideology!

#18 Posted by scourgexlvii (124 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr. Ubiquitous said:
" Well, they BOTH love their country, that's for certain. I can't say the same for the modern era liberal, who by creed, leans left, and even worse, socialist/fascist ....neither Cap nor Iron Man sync up with such an anti-American ideology! "
Fascism is a far right-winged authoritarian philosophy. Socialism is an economic system, not a political system, and thus can't be anti-american (The constitution, not capitalism, is the supreme law of the land; Capitalism is merely the economic system america abides to).
#19 Posted by Mr. Ubiquitous (1032 posts) - - Show Bio
@scourgexlvii said:
" @Mr. Ubiquitous said:
" Well, they BOTH love their country, that's for certain. I can't say the same for the modern era liberal, who by creed, leans left, and even worse, socialist/fascist ....neither Cap nor Iron Man sync up with such an anti-American ideology! "
Fascism is a far right-winged authoritarian philosophy. Socialism is an economic system, not a political system, and thus can't be anti-american (The constitution, not capitalism, is the supreme law of the land; Capitalism is merely the economic system america abides to). "

Actually, fascism has been BOTH right wing & left wing through out history; but TODAYS left, is certainly fascist in foundation. Socialism is an economic system? REALLY? that reads like a liberal, if I may say so. I guess you've either never heard of, or forgot about such things as the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics? (USSR) Cuba? commie/socialist POLITICAL system. South America? now almost completely run by SOCIALIST government political systems, ALL left wing nuts! 

The constitution is indeed the law of the land, and with it, the founders fathers ushered in CAPITALISM, which was invented for the most part by the DUTCH. The entire American ideology from the start, was one of individual capitalistic endeavor, it was designed to break FREE of  the"socialist/monarchy/fascist"  chains of slavery beset on a mans freedom...hence the American Revolution. I could go on and on, but why bore the masses? I guess we can agree to disagree...
#20 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Socialism is an economic system. All those socialist states you listed were/are officially democracies (Though in practice they were complete dictatorships, but that's beside the point).

Fascism blended both left and right views, but always gravitated to the far right.

#21 Posted by hugo_lara_3154 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

@nefarious: Para que ocultar la verdad está totalmente claro que tanto Capitan America y El Hombre de hierro (Iron Man) son totalmente Republicanos de Ultraderecha Conservadora, puesto que Iron Manrepresenta a las grandes empresas y Corporaciones o los grandes Trusts Norteamericanos, mientras que Capitan America es el Clasico Militar defensor del Extremista American Dream, que claro esta que cualquiera que se oponga a la Derecha Capitalista es destruido, pero no debemos confundir las cosas, además la realidad es que los Ciudadanos de Estados Unidos son personas de Gran Nobleza, Amistad Sincera, gran Pacifismo, y Amor al prójimo.

#22 Edited by Outside_85 (9179 posts) - - Show Bio

As others have said:

Cap: Republican

Iron Man: Democrat

That said, I dont think Captain America votes or openly supports either parties, since he does mention to Hill in Civil War that people like him has to remain above or apart from politics. And later postmortem, tells Thor he is annoyed or saddened that everything he stood for as Captain America is getting twisted by politicians on either side to serve their agenda.

#23 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it depends on the writer, most writers have been more liberal and it shows in the characters at times (look at stories on political scandals in comics they tend to be during republican presidential terms). I will say that it is sad to see authors agendas leaking into the books. Based on the foundation of the characters I would say that Cap is more conservative yet I would classify him as a libertarian that leans to the right. If Cap was to judge I feel that he would not be proud of the America that we have today.

Tony may be a capitalist but he has a liberal side also. I would Say tony is possibly a libertarian that leans left on social issues and right on business issues (more of a centrist).

#24 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Man's a fascist.

#25 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised at how many people find Captain America as more leaning to Republican.

Non-affiliated, down the middle with both leaning slightly to the right.

This is about right (I think) but to the left, lol. I think most comic book heros are like this now.

#26 Posted by PowerHerc (84331 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

I'm surprised at how many people find Captain America as more leaning to Republican.

@powerherc said:

Non-affiliated, down the middle with both leaning slightly to the right.

This is about right (I think) but to the left, lol. I think most comic book heros are like this now.

Leaning slightly to the right means he's slightly more conservative but that doesn't make him a Republican. Republican and conservative are not synonymous. Conservatives have a core set of values and stick to them. Republicans claim to be conservative but really no longer stand for anything other than busting unions, selling out the American middle class, forcing religion on everyone and getting re-elected at any cost. It's entirely possible to be conservative without being Republican.

That said, I'd still say Cap would never affiliate himself with any political party and his values are pretty middle-of-the-road but with a lean to the right (conservative not Republican) side.

#27 Edited by capamerica7 (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Tony Stark is without a doubt a Libertarian. At least in the movies. To the Government; "Because I'm your nuclear deterrent. It's working. We're safe. America is secure. You want my property? You can't have it. But I did you a big favor. I successfully privatized world peace." Plus, I'm sure he's not happy with the +30% tax on his money. Also, with his renewed anti-interventionist foreign policy he's no longer a war mongering Republican. And to prove he's not a lefty; "I don't care about the liberal agenda anymore."

#28 Posted by THORSON (2446 posts) - - Show Bio

YAWN...POLITICS

#29 Posted by capamerica7 (21 posts) - - Show Bio

@frohman: Iron Man's 100% libertarian.

#30 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

I'm surprised at how many people find Captain America as more leaning to Republican.

@powerherc said:

Non-affiliated, down the middle with both leaning slightly to the right.

This is about right (I think) but to the left, lol. I think most comic book heros are like this now.

Leaning slightly to the right means he's slightly more conservative but that doesn't make him a Republican. Republican and conservative are not synonymous. Conservatives have a core set of values and stick to them. Republicans claim to be conservative but really no longer stand for anything other than busting unions, selling out the American middle class, forcing religion on everyone and getting re-elected at any cost. It's entirely possible to be conservative without being Republican.

That said, I'd still say Cap would never affiliate himself with any political party and his values are pretty middle-of-the-road but with a lean to the right (conservative not Republican) side.

Wait...I am pulling a political time out...that is not the definition of Republican.

:)

#31 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

Leaning slightly to the right means he's slightly more conservative but that doesn't make him a Republican. Republican and conservative are not synonymous. Conservatives have a core set of values and stick to them.

That said, I'd still say Cap would never affiliate himself with any political party and his values are pretty middle-of-the-road but with a lean to the right (conservative not Republican) side.

I think of Cap' as being conservative in the sense that you define it, he is definitely a guy who sticks to some pretty old-school values. That said, given his views on equality (how he has no tolerance for any form of racism or sexism) and individual freedom (consider which side he was on in Civil War), I can't help but think that Cap' would've been considered something of a liberal in his own time. Like you say, he's sort of down the middle.

As a Canadian, he was a character I had a hard time liking or identifying with as a kid, since I could never understand the patriotic American ideal based on the American culture I saw in the media. Frankly, the U.S. scares the hell out of me.

But the more I learned about the principals and ideals that the 'States were based on (the Constitution, etc), and the more stories I read with Cap', the more I started to feel that he really did represent the best of those ideals. Which, in and of themselves, are really far beyond the politics of any particular political affiliation.

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