The Avengers are Earth's mightiest heroes and foremost super-team... "There came a day, a day unlike any other, when Earth's mightiest heroes found themselves united against a common threat. On that day, the Avengers were born - to fight the foes no single super hero could withstand! Heed the call, then - for now, the Avengers Assemble!"
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
@War Killer: I understand...the West Coast Avengers title started out pretty humdrum when they were just having barbecues and fighting the Cat People every other week...but honestly, after Byrne took over they were pretty much the Avengers team for a while.
Like it was the case that the main team and book were a mess...After Avengers #285, Stern quit over creative differences (Mark Gruenwald, the editor, wanted Captain America to lead the team again - Stern wanted Captain Marvel to keep leading them), Simonson stormed out after reshuffling the team because he wasn't given free reign (he wanted to have the team jokingly full of X-Men), then it was pretty much just on-again-off-again creative teams from Fabian Nicieza to Larry Hama to Mark Gruenwald himself until the book actually got a consistent writer just under 50 issues after Stern left in Harras. So, for 50 issues the main title went through shaky line-up changes every few issues and we had pretty dull and uninspired line-ups like these:
Whereas on the other side of the coin, you had John Byrne writing and drawing West Coast Avengers when all this was happening and the West Coast Team were this:
Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe (John Byrne line-up)
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.
In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.
They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.
Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.
In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.
They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.
Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.
I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.
@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.
*facepalm*
Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.
I agree with you I find it weird there are only two mutants (X-men) Wolverine and Scarlet dont count being that they are in almost every stinking avenger team wolverine mostly to be exact.
@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.
*facepalm*
Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.
I agree with you I find it weird there are only two mutants (X-men) Wolverine and Scarlet dont count being that they are in almost every stinking avenger team wolverine mostly to be exact.
I still don't get how Havok is the leader while Cap is on the Team, not to mention Wolverine...(who's more experienced, etc at leading teams) My guess is that he wants a mutant to be the leader since the purpose of the team is to be a secondary Avengers team to work with and help mutants. We'll see, I guess.
you would follow wolverine on a kill mission? hmmm I guess I probably would also
Yeah Sure if the mission is bust into a building and kill a bunch of people why not? Standard Superheroics though nope much better options. Although standard I would still take him over Havok.
you would follow wolverine on a kill mission? hmmm I guess I probably would also
Yeah Sure if the mission is best into a building and kill a bunch of people why not? Standard Superheroics though nope much better options. Although standard I would still take him over Havok.
I hope the first issue, Uncanny Avengers take out Wanda. Team is just a front to finally snuff her out. Thor goes back to looking like thor and doesnt die every 3 issues. Cap leaves the team and gets the last laugh and smashes that pretty boy punk summers in the face with his shield. Havok, Wolverine and Rouge go on with team
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.
In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.
They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.
Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.
I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.
I was more responding to the you saying X-factor isn't a major X-team. Regardless if you think the others are better leaders, or if you don't think much of X-Factor. Havok is still a leader type character, because ever sense he was introduce(except for the very beginning when he was an x-man) he's been the leader of what ever team he's been a part of.
@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.
Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.
In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.
They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.
Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.
I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.
I was more responding to the you saying X-factor isn't a major X-team. Regardless if you think the others are better leaders, or if you don't think much of X-Factor. Havok is still a leader type character, because ever sense he was introduce(except for the very beginning when he was an x-man) he's been the leader of what ever team he's been a part of.
Yeah but never a main team of x-men which is what really counts.
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