Uncanny Avengers team of Leaders?

#1 Posted by bamaboykmb (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it just me or are all the Uncanny Avengers born leaders

Captain America- lead Avengers, Invaders, New Avengers, Secret Avengers, and others

Wolverine- lead X-men and X-Force

Scarlet Witch- Avengers

THOR- Avengers, Asgardians

Rogue- X-Men

Havok- X-Factor, Starjammers, and X-Men

this will be a very opinionated team

#2 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really Havok is not an X-Leader of Note. No one ever invites him to the big meetings.

#3 Posted by War Killer (19992 posts) - - Show Bio

When did Wanda lead the Avengers? O_o

#4 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap and Rouge are the only ones I would let lead me around.

#5 Posted by BlackArmor (6134 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not even going to comment on you calling Wolverine a "born leader"......

#6 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

I would follow Wolverine on a Kill Mission.

#7 Edited by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

@War Killer said:

When did Wanda lead the Avengers? O_o

Avengers West Coast #98-102, Force Works #1-22

#8 Posted by TDK_1997 (14467 posts) - - Show Bio

The team roster is kinda interesting but it also sucks.

#9 Posted by Teerack (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

#10 Edited by War Killer (19992 posts) - - Show Bio
@X35 said:

@War Killer said:

When did Wanda lead the Avengers? O_o

Avengers West Coast #98-102, Force Works #1-22

I was never really fond of the West Coast Avengers for some reason...
#11 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

@War Killer: I understand...the West Coast Avengers title started out pretty humdrum when they were just having barbecues and fighting the Cat People every other week...but honestly, after Byrne took over they were pretty much the Avengers team for a while.

Like it was the case that the main team and book were a mess...After Avengers #285, Stern quit over creative differences (Mark Gruenwald, the editor, wanted Captain America to lead the team again - Stern wanted Captain Marvel to keep leading them), Simonson stormed out after reshuffling the team because he wasn't given free reign (he wanted to have the team jokingly full of X-Men), then it was pretty much just on-again-off-again creative teams from Fabian Nicieza to Larry Hama to Mark Gruenwald himself until the book actually got a consistent writer just under 50 issues after Stern left in Harras. So, for 50 issues the main title went through shaky line-up changes every few issues and we had pretty dull and uninspired line-ups like these:

Whereas on the other side of the coin, you had John Byrne writing and drawing West Coast Avengers when all this was happening and the West Coast Team were this:

Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe (John Byrne line-up)

I mean... that's pretty much THE Avengers there.

#12 Posted by War Killer (19992 posts) - - Show Bio
@X35: I can see what you mean there.
#13 Posted by Twentyfive (2843 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the cover to the Uncanny Avengers. They mean business.

Look at me! I have my fists up. I mean business. Just try to do something!

#14 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

So, Thor is just Chris Hemsworth now, right...

#15 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32846 posts) - - Show Bio
@X35

So, Thor is just Chris Hemsworth now, right...

Yea its stupid
#16 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7264 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry about the Butch costume, Rogue.

The premise for this title is sucky, i'm not sure what this Marvel NOW! regime is meant to accomplish other that money in Alonso's damp pockets.

#17 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.

#18 Edited by Teerack (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.

In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.

They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.

Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.

#19 Posted by X35 (5981 posts) - - Show Bio

Plus, X-Factor has actually consistently been good while every other Marvel title has been going to the dogs.

#20 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.

In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.

They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.

Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.

I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.

#21 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Huh... Now that you look at it, they kind of are...

So who's the leader? lol

#22 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else notice that they're not wearing their Marvel NOW! costumes.

#23 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

The team roster is kinda interesting but it also sucks.

How does it possibly suck?

#24 Posted by Lvenger (18394 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: Nice. He was the leader of the Starjammers and the X-Factor at one point.

#26 Posted by TDK_1997 (14467 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

#27 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

*facepalm*

#28 Posted by TDK_1997 (14467 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

*facepalm*

Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.

#29 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

*facepalm*

Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.

I just couldn't even dignify that with a response.

#30 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

*facepalm*

Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.

I agree with you I find it weird there are only two mutants (X-men) Wolverine and Scarlet dont count being that they are in almost every stinking avenger team wolverine mostly to be exact.

#31 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@TheAnnihilator: The only problems I like are Cap,Logan and Thor.The others suck.

*facepalm*

Ok.I mean I like most of them but I don't think that they will be an interesting combination to see.

I agree with you I find it weird there are only two mutants (X-men) Wolverine and Scarlet dont count being that they are in almost every stinking avenger team wolverine mostly to be exact.

What did you even just say?

#32 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: What im saying is this team is kinda weird to ME since there are only two xmen and the rest are avengers

#33 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Rogue, Scarlett Witch and Havok are so interesting, LOL.

#34 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix said:

@TheAnnihilator: What im saying is this team is kinda weird to ME since there are only two xmen and the rest are avengers

No.

Rogue, Wolverine, Havok = X-Men

Captain America, Thor, Scarlet Witch = Avengers

Thus the whole point of the team. Not sure what you don't see about that.

#35 Edited by NyxEquitis (401 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't get how Havok is the leader while Cap is on the Team, not to mention Wolverine...(who's more experienced, etc at leading teams) My guess is that he wants a mutant to be the leader since the purpose of the team is to be a secondary Avengers team to work with and help mutants. We'll see, I guess.

#36 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@Remi said:

Yeah, Rogue, Scarlett Witch and Havok are so interesting, LOL.

Ha! LOL!

Except quite a few people find them very interesting.

#37 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: what are you talking about I said it's weird to me I know he is Xmen i'm not counting wolverine.

#38 Posted by Remi (613 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Remi said:

Yeah, Rogue, Scarlett Witch and Havok are so interesting, LOL.

Ha! LOL!

Except quite a few people find them very interesting.

Rarely see someone besides Bendis liking Wanda. Havok even less.

The only mutant out of this team that gets any attention is Rogue.

#39 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix said:

@TheAnnihilator: what are you talking about I said it's weird to me I know he is Xmen i'm not counting wolverine.

*facepalm*

@Remi: Attention doesn't equal interest. And why does it matter what writers like characters? Doesn't mean readers can't find them interesting.

#40 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@stormphoenix said:

@TheAnnihilator: what are you talking about I said it's weird to me I know he is Xmen i'm not counting wolverine.

*facepalm*

@Remi: Attention doesn't equal interest. And why does it matter what writers like characters? Doesn't mean readers can't find them interesting.

*FacePalm*.......hmm

#41 Posted by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix: Directed towards that unreadable sentence and the stupidity brought along with it.

#42 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator: HAHA not really more towards you.

#43 Edited by TheAnnihilator (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix: Yes, because having actual sentence structure, not contradicting myself, and some actual knowledge makes my statement dumb.

#44 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAnnihilator said:

@stormphoenix: Yes, because having actual sentence structure, not contradicting myself, and some actual knowledge makes my statement dumb.

Oh really mmm hmm noted.

#45 Edited by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

I would follow Wolverine on a Kill Mission.

you would follow wolverine on a kill mission? hmmm I guess I probably would also

#46 Edited by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormphoenix said:

@Skaddix said:

I would follow Wolverine on a Kill Mission.

you would follow wolverine on a kill mission? hmmm I guess I probably would also

Yeah Sure if the mission is bust into a building and kill a bunch of people why not? Standard Superheroics though nope much better options. Although standard I would still take him over Havok.

#47 Posted by stormphoenix (909 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

@stormphoenix said:

@Skaddix said:

I would follow Wolverine on a Kill Mission.

you would follow wolverine on a kill mission? hmmm I guess I probably would also

Yeah Sure if the mission is best into a building and kill a bunch of people why not? Standard Superheroics though nope much better options. Although standard I would still take him over Havok.

yea ok I see what your sayin haha

#48 Posted by mtrakos (563 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope the first issue, Uncanny Avengers take out Wanda. Team is just a front to finally snuff her out. Thor goes back to looking like thor and doesnt die every 3 issues. Cap leaves the team and gets the last laugh and smashes that pretty boy punk summers in the face with his shield. Havok, Wolverine and Rouge go on with team

It would be a great issue.

#49 Posted by Teerack (5392 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.

In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.

They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.

Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.

I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.

I was more responding to the you saying X-factor isn't a major X-team. Regardless if you think the others are better leaders, or if you don't think much of X-Factor. Havok is still a leader type character, because ever sense he was introduce(except for the very beginning when he was an x-man) he's been the leader of what ever team he's been a part of.

#50 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix said:

@Teerack said:

@Skaddix: Havok was the leader of X-factor for a long long time back in the day. Madrox didn't start to become a leader until the 90's when Havok left.

Yeah and again X-Factor is not a major X-team.

In terms of sales and writing yes they are. Just because they "don't get invited to the big meetings" doesn't make it less of a team. Maybe you haven't noticed this but for the most part all of the X-Teams became kind of secluded after M-Day. Honestly it happened a few years before M-Day.

They were part of the infinity gauntlet and the infinity war story arches, the onslaught saga, if it wasn't for Layla no one would of gotten their memories back in house of m, and they were part of the very recent Children's crusade, not to mention the roles they played in plenty of other marvel events.

Saying there not a major team is basically saying I don't read x-factor, but there not the x-men, fantastic four, or avengers so they must not being important.

I do read X-Factor actually. Fact remains no one is ever going to ask Havok to lead when guys like Xavier, Summers, Storm, etc are in the room. Besides not sure how any of those examples have anything to do with Havok's leadership skills.

I was more responding to the you saying X-factor isn't a major X-team. Regardless if you think the others are better leaders, or if you don't think much of X-Factor. Havok is still a leader type character, because ever sense he was introduce(except for the very beginning when he was an x-man) he's been the leader of what ever team he's been a part of.

Yeah but never a main team of x-men which is what really counts.

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