Time for Human Torch to join an Avenger team

#1 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

It is high time Johnny Storm branches out a bit and is invited onto an Avengers team. He is long overdue and his powers have not been explored in forever. He gained some maturity in the Negative Zone and needs a chance to take it out for a spin. Ben,Reed and Sue have all been Avengers at one time or another. The Human Torch is ready and should be given a chance to shine outside the FF.

#2 Posted by New_World_Order (11213 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree.

#3 Posted by X35 (5974 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#4 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

@X35 said:

No.

YES

#5 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

I think so too. Specially if Spider-Man/Otto is being a jerk and leaving the Avengers Johnny would be a good replacement.

#6 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Between everything he could have learned fighting for two years straight in the Negative Zone arena (which makes him the most experienced fighter in the FF) and the countless small gadgets Reed should have produced for him by now to augment his blunt powers, the options both large and small are wide open. Here are a very few ideas off the top of my head: Special sunglasses that lase his flame allowing him to shoot laser blasts from his eyes for fine work. The ability to see in other then visible light spectrum and recognize people by their unique heat signature. The ability to synthesize any matter internally for energy (he likes steak but can eat rocks or grass if need be and survive just fine) The ability to emit or absorb energy of any wavelength including infrared, x-ray, etc. Marvel has simply been lazy with utilizing the Human Torch. He should have a rogues gallery of his own (though some could be borrowed as Daredevil did). He should have a signature 1940s muscle coup convertible complete with flames on the fenders to drive around town. So much can be done with a little TLC. Breaking him out of the FF as the only thing he has is a good start.

#7 Posted by TheCannon (16106 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow big no! How come?

#9 Edited by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceIMC said:

I think so too. Specially if Spider-Man/Otto is being a jerk and leaving the Avengers Johnny would be a good replacement.

on one level, I agree with this. but I get the feeling this role will actually be taken by Sunspot.

also, the 'Torch isn't a scientific genius, or as relatable (in my opinion), so he sort of only fills half of the role. In some ways, it's been like Spiderman had replaced the role originally designated for the Beast, which I'd almost prefer to see Otto tackle.

also, I'm not as interested in the 'Torch as much as I am this guy:

and I think he's way more overdue for some exposure.

#10 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

I find it refreshing that the Torch is not a scientific genius, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork at Marvel. He is a skilled mechanic though which could come in handy. I do agree that the Uncanny Avengers is not the place for him with Sunfire there. I do not agree that Sunfire (a B or C character at best) is more overdue for attention then Johnny Storm of the FF.

#11 Edited by Teerack (4552 posts) - - Show Bio

I was just thinking this the other day. I'd love to see more Johnny.

And considering the lvl of power he showed in his resurrection story he's defiantly one of earth strongest super humans.

#12 Edited by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

His power levels are vast but how to use the power is largely unexplored. He can do so much more then throw balls of fire if a little creativity and perhaps some appropriate occasional gadgets are mixed in. We now know Thing will live for hundreds of years thanks to the FF serum. Maybe Johnny unlike his teammates is still absorbing cosmic rays enabling his powers to continue to grow but dooming him to eventually go super-nova in the future. He is single and rich like Tony Stark (not as rich of course) and they should run into each other often at black tie events. They should have dated the same super models and have a unique and funny personal relationship. He should be a stalwart of the NY social scene as well as a voice for various charities that interest him. He should do Leno and Letterman often. It goes on and on...

#13 Edited by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wonderman1 said:

I find it refreshing that the Torch is not a scientific genius, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork at Marvel. He is a skilled mechanic though which could come in handy. I do agree that the Uncanny Avengers is not the place for him with Sunfire there. I do not agree that Sunfire (a B or C character at best) is more overdue for attention then Johnny Storm of the FF.

I think that because Johny's already on the FF, he's already getting more than enough attention. Whereas Sunfire, a character who's been around almost as long, and is (in my opinion) more interesting, has been delegated to relative obscurity for no reason other than no one has used him much. He's definitely way more overdue.

@Wonderman1 said:

His power levels are vast but how to use the power is largely unexplored. He can do so much more then throw balls of fire if a little creativity and perhaps some appropriate occasional gadgets are mixed in. We now know Thing will live for hundreds of years thanks to the FF serum. Maybe Johnny unlike his teammates is still absorbing cosmic rays enabling his powers to continue to grow but dooming him to eventually go super-nova in the future. He is single and rich like Tony Stark (not as rich of course) and they should run into each other often at black tie events. They should have dated the same super models and have a unique and funny personal relationship. He should be a stalwart of the NY social scene as well as a voice for various charities that interest him. He should do Leno and Letterman often. It goes on and on...

All of which he can do in the pages of Fantastic Four. None of this explains why he should be on the Avengers, which already has a huge cast of characters, many of whom don't have their own books to be featured in (which he does).

That said, I do kind of think that the whole of the FF could stand to be supporting characters in more books, including the Avengers I suppose.

#14 Posted by Xwraith (11023 posts) - - Show Bio

No. I'm sick of 90% of the Marvel U being Avengers.

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#16 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

I understand the reluctance to make everyone an Avenger. Perhaps I just feel Human Torch has been slighted by being the only FF member who has not been an Avenger. It may be that what I am really looking for is a mini-series dedicated exclusively to fleshing out Johnny Storm. After all these years he has little identity outside of the FF which is less true of Reed (Illuminati) and Thing (multiple mini-series and Marvel Two-in-One).

#17 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wonderman1 said:

I understand the reluctance to make everyone an Avenger. Perhaps I just feel Human Torch has been slighted by being the only FF member who has not been an Avenger. It may be that what I am really looking for is a mini-series dedicated exclusively to fleshing out Johnny Storm. After all these years he has little identity outside of the FF which is less true of Reed (Illuminati) and Thing (multiple mini-series and Marvel Two-in-One).

I agree that after 50 years of being in a comic book he should be more fleshed out (there's really only four main characters, after all), but that doesn't mean he's not the least interesting member of the Fantastic Four, which I've always thought he was.

#18 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

Becoming an Avenger used to mean something, now that they are pushing half the Marvel U through the ranks its quickly becoming a joke.

#19 Posted by Ren_ (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Becoming an Avenger used to mean something, now that they are pushing half the Marvel U through the ranks its quickly becoming a joke.

Let's be honest...it hit this point like two years ago.

#20 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ren_ said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Becoming an Avenger used to mean something, now that they are pushing half the Marvel U through the ranks its quickly becoming a joke.

Let's be honest...it hit this point like two years ago.

Very true, but now with the 24 (WTF?) person Avengers roster full of strange choices with very little to no reason to be there, it is at its peak

#21 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

I would Rather Sue be an Avenger before Johnny. Her character could use some development away from Reed.

#22 Posted by dangallant984 (1282 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

I would Rather Sue be an Avenger before Johnny. Her character could use some development away from Reed.

That would interest me a hundred times more.

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