@oldnightcrawler:
Sentinels didn't come about until after the X-men. They were a direct response to the X-men's existence, how else do you explain Stephen Lang's X-Sentinels? The X-men have created more mutant hatred than Magneto ever has. Do you think that the Government would ever release funding for Sentinel research when Iron Man is around?
..and not a response to Magneto's Brotherhood or other actual terrorist mutants?
I don't know why you would think they would be concerned with the X-men and not Magneto, that just makes no sense to me.
The X-men were an act of vanity by Professor X. He made the ultimate mistake in deciding that he was the best option to deal with Magneto when his team only succeeded in furthering Magneto's cause. Had he worked with the Avengers, people would have seen mutants and humans facing off against evil mutants rather than mutants having a disagreement with other mutants and fighting.
Like I already pointed out, when Xavier was forming the X-men, the Avengers had yet to be formed.
Besides which, training his students to be superheroes was only one function of the school. It's fairly well established that Xavier was the foremost expert in human mutation, who on the Avengers was going to teach the students to control their powers? Stark? Pym?
Banner?
The FFs villains kept the Avenger's busy during the attack. Quicksilver and Wanda would not be a good representative of the mutant plight. If anything only seeing Pietro and Wanda and the Brotherhood would have tainted the Avenger's view of mutants.
My point was only that the Avengers did know about the mutants, because you had claimed that "The Avengers weren't made aware of the Mutant plight until it was too late to do anything about. You really think the Avengers would have done nothing? They would have stepped in. They likely would have started the Avengers Academy years earlier" a claim you have yet to substantiate based on anything from the text.
The Avengers were fully aware that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch had been members of the Brotherhood, yet granted them membership regardless of being mutants or criminals.
It is Xavier's fault that the Avengers only had a passing knowledge of mutants and their problems. Rather than try and do even basic PR, Xavier spent his time building an army. This sends the wrong message and ultimately created much of the problems they faced.
Actually, I might be remembering this wrong, but I'm pretty sure the first time the Sentinels ran amok, Xavier was himself participating in a live televised debate about the so-called mutant menace as an expert on mutants. So, basically doing exactly what you're claiming he never did.
Also keep in mind that this was later in the same day that he had been seen talking to Reed Richards, establishing that they were indeed respected colleagues, and that Richards (and the scientific community, by extension) was indeed familiar with his work as a scientist.
No one says that every person who goes to Avengers Academy is going to become a superhero. Does every person who goes through basic become a soldier? No, 2/3ds become support personnel.
Does every mutant who needs help learning how to use their powers have to join the army to do so? That's just absurd. And it makes you sound like a supporter of mutant registration.
Leaving Xavier in the equation works out horribly for everyone. Jean Grey is dead, Cyclops is a megalomaniac, Beast is incompetent, Iceman is a joke, and Archangel is a Death. None of them are particularly good people and they only get worse the more exposure to Xavier they have.
how is any of that Xavier's fault? Would it have been better if they'd all become pawns of Magneto? or Sinister?
You talk like he should have just turned them all over to the Avengers, who, again, had only just formed and had shown absolutely no interest in training anyone until Cap' trained the kooky quartet (in combat, mind you, not in the use of their powers).
Do we want to look at how much good the Avengers have done for their own membership in training them in the control and ethical use of their powers? if so, we need look no further than Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. What about those original members he should have consulted?Hank Pym? Bruce Banner? Don't get me wrong, Xavier was 60's Marvel crazy for sure, but the Avengers was a whole nuthouse.
AoA was not just because of a lack of Xavier, alot of things are different.
So you didn't read it then. Because the whole idea of AoA was that all of those differences were the result of Xavier never forming the X-men; that's literally the whole premise.
At this point you've made so many false claims and logical fallacies in these last posts (to say nothing of answering not one of my questions), that I'm beginning to think you're just being a troll. Either way, it's been fun clearing all these misconceptions up. Though I get the feeling that in your case it may have all fallen on deaf ears, it's been interesting none the less.
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