Guys dont you think avengers movie Thor is TOO weak???

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#1 Posted by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

i mean he did not fight flying, thunder??? twice???? plus plus....

#2 Posted by evilvegeta74 (4523 posts) - - Show Bio

They need to let him unleash his true Power!

#3 Posted by BatWatch (2590 posts) - - Show Bio

Please edit this and repost it written properly. It makes no sense as is.

he did not fight underground, lightning?????? three times?!?!?!?!?!?!?! minus minus.................

#4 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2811 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think he was "weak"...but they defenitly toned down his power. I mean in his solo flim he was soooo powerful he took out the Destroyer without taking any damage himself (which was kind of disappointing)...I don't think they wanted Thor to overshadow his teammates...He did have a good showing against Iron Man in the forest battle and did go toe-to-toe with the Hulk though....Overall I wasn't disappointed

#5 Edited by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117: @SHAZAM117 said:

I don't think he was "weak"...but they defenitly toned down his power. I mean in his solo flim he was soooo powerful he took out the Destroyer without taking any damage himself (which was kind of disappointing)...I don't think they wanted Thor to overshadow his teammates...He did have a good showing against Iron Man in the forest battle and did go toe-to-toe with the Hulk though....Overall I wasn't disappointed

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#6 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

He didn't really show much of his power but he never seemed to be straining himself in the movie so theres no way to tell if he was stronger or weaker in the movie because he didn't really get to truly show off his power. Hulk and Cap were really the only people who really got to show what they could really do.

#7 Posted by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

He didn't really show much of his power but he never seemed to be straining himself in the movie so theres no way to tell if he was stronger or weaker in the movie because he didn't really get to truly show off his power. Hulk and Cap were really the only people who really got to show what they could really do.

he also forgot how to fly lol

#8 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermansito said:

@joshmightbe said:

He didn't really show much of his power but he never seemed to be straining himself in the movie so theres no way to tell if he was stronger or weaker in the movie because he didn't really get to truly show off his power. Hulk and Cap were really the only people who really got to show what they could really do.

he also forgot how to fly lol

But he doesn't really fly, he throws his hammer and hangs on.

#9 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, he flew a couple of times in the movie. As far as power, he was shown as the most powerful in the group (took out multiple ships with his lightning,) which fits with the comics version. Hulk was stronger but not more powerful. Not sure what else you wanted to see.

#10 Edited by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Actually, he flew a couple of times in the movie. As far as power, he was shown as the most powerful in the group (took out multiple ships with his lightning,) which fits with the comics version. Hulk was stronger but not more powerful. Not sure what else you wanted to see.

this+sky......the only fly fighter was ironman

#11 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

So what? He was still waaaaay more powerful/effective than Ironman.

#12 Edited by k4tzm4n (39496 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he wasn't too weak and here's why:

  • Broke out of a cell meant to contain the Hulk
  • Able to hold back an overhead strike from Hulk.
  • He was still more powerful than Iron Man at 400% (was crushing his armor, a headbutt sent him flying)
  • One uppercut with mjlonir launched Hulk.
  • Used lightning to block the entire portal entrance, and in turn, destroy multiple enemies.

Just because Whedon didn't have him solo everything doesn't mean he wasn't powerful.

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#13 Posted by cattlebattle (12675 posts) - - Show Bio

He got stabbed and was woozy after it...pretty lame for Thor, but, Lokis weapon was probably "deadly magic metal" or some nonsense. Other than that, he was pretty tough..

#14 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

I don't think they wanted Thor to overshadow his teammates...

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@k4tzm4n said:

  • Just because Whedon didn't have him solo everything doesn't mean he wasn't powerful.
#15 Posted by Electron (5 posts) - - Show Bio

I definitely think he wasn't as powerful as he was in his solo movie. The part when Thor fought the Frost Giants and used that movie with his hammer when it was spinning non-stop and annihilating dozens of them comes to mind. However, he was still powerful enough in Avengers to get the job done. I GUESS that's all that matters.

#16 Posted by oraclefyre (936 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a team movie. Plus, they probably want to make defeating the Loki and such not that easy by not having everyone as powerful as they should be.

#17 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh the Thor fanboy's... 

#18 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers did do a better job of showing Thor's physical strength than his movie did. In Thor it was pretty much all about the hammer

#19 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

The majority of Thor fans (including some of the more delusional ones on this site) only enjoy Thor's character for his powers. 
He and Storm deserve better fans.

#20 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: I'm a Thor fan for many reasons his powers are cool but I also love his supporting cast, Volstagg is one of my favorite comic characters. I like that he just seems a bit more grandiose than most Marvel heroes. He sticks out like a sore thumb in the Marvel universe which works well for him.

#21 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:

@Kallarkz: I'm a Thor fan for many reasons his powers are cool but I also love his supporting cast, Volstagg is one of my favorite comic characters. I like that he just seems a bit more grandiose than most Marvel heroes. He sticks out like a sore thumb in the Marvel universe which works well for him.

Thor has always been a real interesting character too me. I have worked on his page extensively and have an enormous collection of his books. I like it as well that he sticks out in the Marvel Universe and was bummed when he died a bit back...but all you have to do is take a quick look around to see who is interested in him for his character and what he stands for and who is interested in him solely because "he's like so awesomely powerful".
#22 Posted by htb106 (1641 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that thor's solo movie let him shine a bit more because it was his movie, I'm looking forward to the sequel!

#23 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: That's fan boys for you. I've long had the theory that there is a big difference between a fan boy and a real fan. I'm more interested in reading an interesting Thor story where he is truly challenged than in seeing him just bust up some people with ease.

#24 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshmightbe said:

@Kallarkz: That's fan boys for you. I've long had the theory that there is a big difference between a fan boy and a real fan. I'm more interested in reading an interesting Thor story where he is truly challenged than in seeing him just bust up some people with ease.

exactly. And it's another reason why I like Ultimate Thor so much. Great character but instead of writing him like they would in the 616 nearly three decades ago with him being capable of doing anything they have set more limits to his abilities. 
Giving us the same great character but making him anti "my boyfriend Thor can do anything". 
Although I must admit I do like to see him let loose when he has to and just goes all out. (who doesn't ;p) 
btw i do prefer the 616 Thor.
#25 Edited by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

@joshmightbe said:

@Kallarkz: That's fan boys for you. I've long had the theory that there is a big difference between a fan boy and a real fan. I'm more interested in reading an interesting Thor story where he is truly challenged than in seeing him just bust up some people with ease.

exactly. And it's another reason why I like Ultimate Thor so much. Great character but instead of writing him like they would in the 616 nearly three decades ago with him being capable of doing anything they have set more limits to his abilities. Giving us the same great character but making him anti "my boyfriend Thor can do anything". Although I must admit I do like to see him let loose when he has to and just goes all out. (who doesn't ;p) btw i do prefer the 616 Thor.

do u like to see Thor losing always against hulk?

#26 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermansito: I don't like to see Hulk losing at all but I understand that some characters can beat him.

#27 Posted by Supermansito (196 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Supermansito: I don't like to see Hulk losing at all but I understand that some characters can beat him.

same with Thor but not losing always against the green, it is not funny

#28 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supermansito: According to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Thor was intended to be Marvel's answer to Superman, and Hulk was supposed to be a force of nature. The original creators of both Hulk and Thor wanted them to have about equal strength but wanted Thor to have the edge in all other aspects.

#29 Posted by Oscars94 (2461 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought that Thor showed off quite alot of his power. I think that the only times he was holding back were against Loki (he didn't want to completely paralyse his brother) and against Hulk (maybe couldn't have beat him with strength alone but had to avoid using lightning to ensure the safety of the S.H.I.E.L.D agents on the Helicarrier).

#30 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@evilvegeta74 said:

They need to let him unleash his true Power!

@joshmightbe said:

He didn't really show much of his power but he never seemed to be straining himself in the movie so theres no way to tell if he was stronger or weaker in the movie because he didn't really get to truly show off his power. Hulk and Cap were really the only people who really got to show what they could really do.

Maybe we will see in Avengers 2.

#31 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7693 posts) - - Show Bio

In every Marvel or superheor film for that matter, heroes powers are dumbed down. It's to make it easier for the viewer to understand and not make them overpowered

In the X-Men movies all Magneto can do is move metal except for that one instance of controlling iron in someone's blood. In the comics he can do so much more like make electromagnetic fields.

#32 Posted by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Agreed. But if you think he is weak in the avengers film, just look at Earth's Mightiest Heroes, he's pitiful! Even Super Hero Squad Thor's stronger than him

#33 Posted by bamaboykmb (149 posts) - - Show Bio

He knocked the Hulk out of the Hellecarrier

#34 Posted by Pyrogram (36304 posts) - - Show Bio

@PurpleCandy: He took vision at terminal velocity at a very dense hit, he was durable as anything.

#35 Posted by Tyrus (1095 posts) - - Show Bio

In Thor 2, we'll probably see Thor much more powerful than he was in the first film and Avengers - 1. Because it's his solo movie, 2. Because he'll look stronger without Hulk or Iron Man around and 3. Well, if were seeing an upgraded Iron Man in Iron Man 3, then we'll probably see him become more powered than he's been seen in the past 2 films.

#36 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1671 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: You couldn't be more right here. Your points are undeniable.

#37 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, this whole thing where "you're not a real fan unless you're ok with Thor being weak" is so lame. This "point" massively, massively misses the essence of the character. Here you have a hero who walks around calling other superheroes 'mortals'; generally acting like Superhero royalty (which he is); and having bravado when facing a whole army of villans. Take Secret Wars for example where he solo takes on the entire group of villans which includes Dr Doom, Ultron, Absorbing Man, Titania, Kang,...etc. He instructs them to surrender, because he's supremely confident in his GODLY ABILITIES. Thor speaks this way BECAUSE HE'S A GOD. And he's the most powerful hero (and strongest,...at least he was back then). So him speaking this way is justified because he can back it up. Now if you take his powers away or water them down sufficiently but have him speak in the same manner, well he's not a god anymore, he's just a delusional basketcase. Of course, this is the path that Marvel has choosen for him. Make him speak the same old way (lack of creativity) but have him get pawned routinely. With Hulk its not even a contest anymore. Hercules headlocked him into unconsiousness because "he's Hercules". Now Iron man can hang with him in the Avengers movie. Its just cringe inducing to see Thor take his lumps all the time and continue talking as if he's the S**T. It makes him look dumber than the Savage Hulk. THIS is why Thor fans hate to see Thor lose all the time. Not because we want to see GOKU-superpowerups, but because it destroys the essence of the character. Incidentially, this is why Ultimate Thor was so awesome. You didn't know if he was a god or not so it was ok to think he was a delusional nutcase.

#38 Posted by Shark_Repellent_Bat_Spray (745 posts) - - Show Bio

I was quite dissapointed with a few things in the film; Like how it was very Iron Man centric and Thor's power being toned down. He would have destroyed Iron Man in the forest battle. Also, Captain America had one stupid looking costume.

#39 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I would've liked to have seen more ability from Thor, but he had some impressive scenes in his solo film so there's no doubt he's powerful. It's a team film, so obviously they have to let all the characters have some spotlight. I don't think he truly let loose anyway, it was his brother he was fighting after all.

At least he's got his own solo film series too! Can't wait for Thor 2.

#40 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

In some sense Thor had some good moments in the film, but in every relative ranking he looks pretty middling as a power. In Thor's Stan Lee glory days, Thor comes real close to having enough relative power to one-shot Iron Man and match or virtually match the Hulk in pure, no hammer, strength. In this movie, Loki lasts zero seconds against the Hulk and routinely falls down everytime he faces Iron Man. Yet he can go mano-a-mano with Thor for multiple scenes. Thor vs Iron Man gave Thor a slight edge and I'd imagine him winning had the fight continued (can't wait to see Tony's new, more powerful armour in Iron Man,...I'm sure he'll massively eclipse Thor at that point). I think it was pretty clear that Hulk was probably twice as strong as Thor (with upward potential) and he took Thor's best hammer shot and jumped right back up. So its hard not to conclude that Thor is nowhere near as powerful as Hulk and about the same power as Iron Man (until he gets his new armour anyway). Thor blowing up a bunch of Chitari ships is there to maintain Marvel's new, recently invented, mantra "Hulk is the strongest, Thor is the most powerful". Thor fans are also thrown a tiny bone in that Thor breaks out of Hulk's prison. Although, I'm pretty sure that Hulk would also have broken out of it. To make up for the fact that Thor is routinely treated as a punching bag, Marvel has decided that Thor is the most powerful because of his lightening. Yeah,....right, his lightening makes him the most powerful. Lightening. I just don't know what to think each time I read a comic or see Thor defeating someone because of his lightening. The whole "forged in the heart of a dying star,... and as a weapon it has no equal..." is nothing compared to his ability to create atmospheric turbulence... palm-face. WTF,... he's the most powerful because he's a GOD and he has an enchanted, all powerful Mjolnir!!!! It's not about the lightening,....that's for collateral damage to take out the lightweight riff-raft. Its just so awful to see him as X-Men's Storm with Class 50 strength. "Step aside mortals,...here comes the (not-so) Mighty Thor".

#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91191 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:

No, he wasn't too weak and here's why:

  • Broke out of a cell meant to contain the Hulk
  • Able to hold back an overhead strike from Hulk.
  • He was still more powerful than Iron Man at 400% (was crushing his armor, a headbutt sent him flying)
  • One uppercut with mjlonir launched Hulk.
  • Used lightning to block the entire portal entrance, and in turn, destroy multiple enemies.

Just because Whedon didn't have him solo everything doesn't mean he wasn't powerful.

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#42 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Well that assessment really depends on your expectation of how strong he should have been. 1. Broke out of a cell *meant* to contain the Hulk. Had that cell actually contained the Hulk then I might have been impressed. I cannot imagine for a second that the same Hulk that 1 punch destroyed the crocodile ship wouldn't have also broken that cell. So its not really a relative ranking, we're just made to think that it is. 2. Able to hold back an overhead strike from Hulk. This is where our expectations wildly differ. While it impressed you that Thor, with 1 hand, was able to stop a one hand Hulk strike and, with 2 hands + body, was able to push up against the Hulk's one hand this 'feat' is hovering around the bare minimum of watchable for me. Given that Thor was invented to be 'stronger than the strongest mortal' (Hulk) that feat doth not impress a God of Thunder (follower). :) 3. Iron Man at 400%. Well ok, if I'm to take the 400% as fact. Still this has been a one-shot type of mismatch in the past. I'm not expecting that type of power discrepancy to show up on the big screen with Robert Downey Jr.,...just saying. 4. One uppercut with *Mjolnir* launched the Hulk. Right. Equal or near equal in strength + carrying 'forged in the heart of a dying star and as a weapon it has no equal' Mjolnir. Why wouldn't he launch the Hulk? Rather Hulk should be lucky to keep his head on his shoulders but instead shrugged it off in seconds and then proceeded to toss Thor around. I believe that near the end of that Carrier fight, Hulk 1 hand picks up Thor which shows that Thor was pretty much past the point of resisting (and Thor has to jump out of the way of bullets?) I'm well past expecting Thor to be shown as Hulk's physical equal as he was during Stan Lee's time. I'm pretty happy if Thor appears to be 75% to 90% as strong as the Hulk. I view the movie as portraying him around 50% of the Hulk's strenght. UNACCEPTABLE! :) I think that one of the best portrayals of the Hulk-Thor rivalry occured in Hulk #300. Hulk's own comic and an anniversary type one at that. It's a fully, mindlessly, enraged Hulk, totally Bannerless basically as strong and savage as Hulk can get. He trashes a city worth of heroes and then the Avengers until its Thor's turn. They start fighting with Thor landing more of the blows, smart warrior openings rather than full-powered megaswings. Then Hulk lands an absolutely monstrous full roundhouse to the chest/gut of Thor. Thor takes is standing, doesn't give an inch (but it looks body-crumplingly painful) and then turns around and knocks Hulk out of the park (actually into a park from the street). Then the fight is interrupted by Dr. Strange. Overall it shows Thor with Hammer having an edge but not an overwhelming one. Hulk still appears likely stronger (but not overwhelmingly so) and very dangerous. That's my standard, and this movie didn't quite capture that feeling. I can't see Avenger's Hulk and Avenger's Thor having a lasting rivalry because it doesn't seem to me that Thor could survive a full one-on-one encounter with the Hulk. So sad for Stan Lee's #1 God-hero. Man, I hate this limited text editor. :)

#43 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

The majority of Thor fans (including some of the more delusional ones on this site) only enjoy Thor's character for his powers. He and Storm deserve better fans.
#44 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Define better fans. I've followed Thor mags and Marvel since the early 1980s. Sooooo,.... does that make me a bad fan? But I shouldn't be baited by somebody with nothing to add. Would your post constitute trolling? Kallarkz made a good point, I just disagree that it applies to every hero. How about you try making a good point. :)

#45 Posted by minigunman123 (3116 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

The majority of Thor fans (including some of the more delusional ones on this site) only enjoy Thor's character for his powers. He and Storm deserve better fans.

Well from what I have read, and I haven't read too much, Thor doesn't exactly have a compelling character.

#46 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I wouldn't completely disagree with you there. Its inately a challenge to make a 'most powerful' hero that interesting and doubly so when this hero doesn't/shouldn't live on Earth and doesn't/shouldn't have normal work/ girlfriend/money problems. He's immortal, immune to disease or aging, extremely powerful,...for better or worse, he's superhero royalty. To boot, his father is virtually all powerful and virtually all knowing. So this is where his own comic falls down. Recent Thor comics have made him dark and brooding which makes it even worse because now he's even harder to relate to. Its somewhat better when he's portrayed as youthful, exuberant and prideful. More to come,...

#47 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

With these characteristics, I think that Marvel has 2 paths to make Thor interesting. The first is to drop his comic and just make him a summonable, 'to-the-rescue' type of hero. Reading some of the older Avengers comics like when Ultron first got his Adamanitum body they used Thor in this capacity. They juxapositioned Wonderman, who was powerful but much less so than Thor and afraid of dying, with Thor a bravado talking, superior immortal. The whole story was POV of Wonderman who was craping his pants that Ultron was probably going to kill him. That story is basically Wonderman rising up to the challenge of stepping into the same ring as Thor was in. That was an effective use of both characters and it allowed for the Avengers to take on a team buster like Ultron while showing the contribution and character of a less powerful character. Unfortunately, no comic for Thor means no outraged fans when he loses which means that Thor would routinely be the punching bag in everyone else's comic (establishing street cred see RULK) which is pretty much the state that Thor was in just before the Thor movie came out.

#48 Posted by THORSON (2349 posts) - - Show Bio

yes and no

yes, because i want to see THOR smite villains.

no, because it makes sense to downgrade THOR so the movie doesn't revolve around THOR but around the AVENGERS.

#49 Posted by THORSON (2349 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: once in a while THOR fans want to see THOR brutalize opponents, instead of "jobbing"

#50 Posted by Thorite (10 posts) - - Show Bio

How about another yes/no answer? Yes, Thor is too weak if he's being portrayed as a god. No, Thor's not too weak if he's being cast as an alien-origin member of the Avengers. Within the same movie they referred to Thor as a God, a demi-god and Asgardians as a alien race. Not sure that Marvel knows what to do with Thor and the Asgardians.

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