Do you want Ant-Man or Wasp in any Avengers Movie?

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#1 Posted by FuZySLiPeRz (71 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont, here is why.

I feel like Wasp and Ant-Man could be left out. They're character concepts are interesting and it would be good to have them since they were founding members of the Avengers in the comic-verse, and everyone wants the movie to stay to the source material. But this is the Movie-verse, it isn't a necessity to stick to the same arcs as the comics. The movie should be free to make its own story arc, but also to still allow it to be similar to the comic-verse, in regards to staying true to the source material, just not entirely. I don't think I would really enjoy Hank and Janet, I don't see how they could logically work on the big screen without making it feel unrealistic, and not being a flop.

I Also don't think they could work because Ant-man and Wasp would definitely require they're own tie-in movie. Which would give Marvel Studios difficulty in regards to funding the star power, and being able to distribute each character into the movie without them over shadowing the any other hero in the next Avengers. Besides I would much rather see the likes of Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Ms. Marvel, than a guy who can turn 30ft tall or reduce his size to that of an ant..or a woman who can also reduce her size and shoots glowing stingers at people. (Its funny as I was typing the last sentence I started to think maybe that would be cool because it hasn't been done before, but I remembered it would still just be wildly unrealistic, no matter how much of a scientific breakthrough it would appear be, and I'd still much rather see other heroes with more interesting and slightly more down to earth abilities).

Another thing, also think about the kids who like to pretend to be super heroes, Thats something I used to do as a kid and I'm pretty sure the majority of us did. Today we see kids who like to smash stuff with their fist or hammer pretending to be Thor or the Hulk. Or kids who would run around with an Iron Man's mask, Captain America's shield, or Hawkeye's bow and quiver, or a girl with a Ms Marvel mask.. or a kids who would pretend to be acrobatic like Spider-Man and Black Widow. How could they pretend to be Ant-man or Wasp? It be pretty creepy seeing a kid playing with ants and pretending he's 30ft tall...or a girl who thinks she's a wasp. I dont know, this point isn't that relevant but its still something to think about.

However, not having Wasp and Ant-Man does have its down side. With out them there would be no Ultron and no Vision. Having them could set up and amazing story arc. But If there could be a way to have Ultron and Vision in an Avengers movie without having having Hank Pym or Janet than I'm all for it. But it would be near impossible and too far of an astray from the comic-source material.

#2 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes...

#3 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

I really like Wasp and Ant Man is cool in my book, but I'm not sure how the non comic reading public will take to them. I say yes, but am skeptical as to how they would be handled and recieved.

#4 Posted by FearTheLiving (3093 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes for both. Still hoping the Ant-Man movie stays course and becomes a reality.

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#5 Posted by Teerack (6283 posts) - - Show Bio

I really do. Gotta get that classic avengers team together.

#6 Posted by CrimsonCake (2677 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd like to see how wasp is translated on to the screen.But when does a girl put on a mask to imitate Ms.Marvel?She isn't that popular as far as I know.

#7 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@CrimsonCake said:

I'd like to see how wasp is translated on to the screen.But when does a girl put on a mask to imitate Ms.Marvel?She isn't that popular as far as I know.

I dunno some people like to think she is Marvel's Wonder Woman. Personally with the fairy craz I can see Wasp being 10 shades of popular with little girls if they do her right.

#8 Posted by Tony_Shark (474 posts) - - Show Bio

I rather see others. I don't know interesting an Ant-Man/Wasp movie could be... specially in live action...

#9 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Hank Pym is an opportunity to basically launch a separate team of film Avengers. Basically West Coast Avengers, or maybe mix it up with the New Avengers roster as expanded Avengers. Pym's superpower is basically "inventing superpowers", so it'd be easy enough for him to field a team all on his own:

That's a pretty good secondary roster that wouldn't overwhelm the core Avengers with extra members, and they can all be characters based off of Hank Pym's inventions, effectively spawning out of an Ant-Man movie. It'd be a wasted opportunity if they don't.

#10 Posted by Sobe Cin (599 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see both in the movie. But only Ant-Man not Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket. I think Ant-Man would be a crucial character to the storyline and to the plot. I think Janet would be nice, but I think she could be in it without being Wasp, or at least becoming Wasp later on.

#11 Posted by desmond006 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

I would like to see them in the movie, but not on the team. It would good if they had small parts where they got to help out. I would like to see Wasp on the team more than Ant-Man.

#12 Posted by menaceforever (3696 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes but I feel they will overload them with crappy CGI and won't take the time to do what it takes to make them look real

#13 Posted by Crimsonlord53 (1332 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt we'll see janet since the movies seem to be closer to the ultimate U then 616 and janet's a mutant in 1610 and that could pose a problem with sony.

#14 Edited by Loki9876 (3045 posts) - - Show Bio

I want them both. yeah an thor's powers are totally down to earth and realistic (sarcasm).

#15 Posted by FuZySLiPeRz (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@Loki9876 said:

I want them both. yeah an thor's powers are totally down to earth and realistic (sarcasm).

Obviously Thor isn't human... and by "down to earth and realistic", I mean like how Clint operates with a bow and quiver, or how Tony built a high tech suite of armor or how Captain america and the hulk became genetic mutates that scientifically makes sense. Pym particles doesn't, and size change/manipulation is not a cool super power. IMO

#16 Posted by Loki9876 (3045 posts) - - Show Bio

@FuZySLiPeRz:The movie should find a way to explain it that it looks credible (these movies don't need to be exacltly scientificly right , I mean when you're exposed to radiation, you have cancer, you won't turn hulky) Hank Pym is also more than just a size-shifter. He carries lots of gadgets with him like lasers etc. And sizechanging can be cool (I mean you are allowed to have your own opinion but) can you imagine Pym growing tall and struggling with the leviathan (robotic-snake like creature) in the Avengers. In my mind that looks pretty cool. I f you want to experience how cool Pym is I want to recommend you some trades.

#17 Posted by FuZySLiPeRz (71 posts) - - Show Bio

@Loki9876 said:

@FuZySLiPeRz:The movie should find a way to explain it that it looks credible (these movies don't need to be exacltly scientificly right , I mean when you're exposed to radiation, you have cancer, you won't turn hulky) Hank Pym is also more than just a size-shifter. He carries lots of gadgets with him like lasers etc. And sizechanging can be cool (I mean you are allowed to have your own opinion but) can you imagine Pym growing tall and struggling with the leviathan (robotic-snake like creature) in the Avengers. In my mind that looks pretty cool. I f you want to experience how cool Pym is I want to recommend you some trades.

They would seriously need to pull off a serious origin movie to make Hank and Jan make sense bro.

#18 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

i would like to see them on the big screen, but there is HUGE POSSIBILITY for them to seriously destroy the characters. add some crappy CGI and you have GL 2.

#19 Posted by Lvenger (19896 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes for both. Although they're setting up Thanos as the next big bad for the Avengers to face, I'd rather they took on Ultron thus requiring Hank and Jan in the film.

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#20 Posted by War Killer (20205 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd like to see Ant-Man, but don't care much for Wasp though.

#21 Posted by VIN31 (355 posts) - - Show Bio

Vision is my best hero!! if i wanted to see him ever in the Avengers movie,first must be the Ant-Man!!so i'd like to see him!!

#22 Posted by TheThe (1731 posts) - - Show Bio

@FuZySLiPeRz said:

I dont, here is why.

I feel like Wasp and Ant-Man could be left out. They're character concepts are interesting and it would be good to have them since they were founding members of the Avengers in the comic-verse, and everyone wants the movie to stay to the source material. But this is the Movie-verse, it isn't a necessity to stick to the same arcs as the comics. The movie should be free to make its own story arc, but also to still allow it to be similar to the comic-verse, in regards to staying true to the source material, just not entirely. I don't think I would really enjoy Hank and Janet, I don't see how they could logically work on the big screen without making it feel unrealistic, and not being a flop.

I Also don't think they could work because Ant-man and Wasp would definitely require they're own tie-in movie. Which would give Marvel Studios difficulty in regards to funding the star power, and being able to distribute each character into the movie without them over shadowing the any other hero in the next Avengers. Besides I would much rather see the likes of Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Ms. Marvel, than a guy who can turn 30ft tall or reduce his size to that of an ant..or a woman who can also reduce her size and shoots glowing stingers at people. (Its funny as I was typing the last sentence I started to think maybe that would be cool because it hasn't been done before, but I remembered it would still just be wildly unrealistic, no matter how much of a scientific breakthrough it would appear be, and I'd still much rather see other heroes with more interesting and slightly more down to earth abilities).

Another thing, also think about the kids who like to pretend to be super heroes, Thats something I used to do as a kid and I'm pretty sure the majority of us did. Today we see kids who like to smash stuff with their fist or hammer pretending to be Thor or the Hulk. Or kids who would run around with an Iron Man's mask, Captain America's shield, or Hawkeye's bow and quiver, or a girl with a Ms Marvel mask.. or a kids who would pretend to be acrobatic like Spider-Man and Black Widow. How could they pretend to be Ant-man or Wasp? It be pretty creepy seeing a kid playing with ants and pretending he's 30ft tall...or a girl who thinks she's a wasp. I dont know, this point isn't that relevant but its still something to think about.

However, not having Wasp and Ant-Man does have its down side. With out them there would be no Ultron and no Vision. Having them could set up and amazing story arc. But If there could be a way to have Ultron and Vision in an Avengers movie without having having Hank Pym or Janet than I'm all for it. But it would be near impossible and too far of an astray from the comic-source material.

In the X-men First Class, Pixie was like Wasp (look and powers ).I give you that her powers were unrealistic on big screen, but not in the comic book. Even though, i didnt see complains from the general public.

#23 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheThe: that wasnt pixie. that was angel, a stupid character from morrisons stupid x-men run.

#24 Edited by ballzdeep (12 posts) - - Show Bio

HELLS YEA!! Wont be easy, but they could make it work. I want the Vision done the right way so thankfully we ARE getting an ANTMAN movie any way.

#25 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, we absolutely need both characters in the Avengers. Probably the two most underrated members of the Avengers (certainly of the founding members), the possibilities with them is vast.

Plus we absolutely need Ultron.

#26 Posted by Crash_Recovery (850 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really.

The more screen time you dedicate to B list characters the less you're going to get of the rest. When you're trying to keep high-end hollywood talent interested in being in your films, you don't sell them on that idea by giving them less to do

But, then, I'm also apparently one of the few people not interested in Thanos. Two galactic threats in a row seems...repetitive?

#27 Posted by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes

#28 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crash_Recovery said:

Not really.

The more screen time you dedicate to B list characters the less you're going to get of the rest. When you're trying to keep high-end hollywood talent interested in being in your films, you don't sell them on that idea by giving them less to do

But, then, I'm also apparently one of the few people not interested in Thanos. Two galactic threats in a row seems...repetitive?

I don't want Thanos either. Baron Zemo (& the Masters of Evil) for 2 and Ultron for 3 is what I want.

#29 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

Yes, we absolutely need both characters in the Avengers. Probably the two most underrated members of the Avengers (certainly of the founding members), the possibilities with them is vast.

Plus we absolutely need Ultron.

I couldn't agree more.

@Moonchilde said:

@Crash_Recovery said:

Not really.

The more screen time you dedicate to B list characters the less you're going to get of the rest. When you're trying to keep high-end hollywood talent interested in being in your films, you don't sell them on that idea by giving them less to do

But, then, I'm also apparently one of the few people not interested in Thanos. Two galactic threats in a row seems...repetitive?

I don't want Thanos either. Baron Zemo (& the Masters of Evil) for 2 and Ultron for 3 is what I want.

I was thinking of Ultron in #2, and at the end have another cameo by Thanos then in #3 they fight Thanos. Build up to it like how they built up to the Avengers in the hero's respective solo flicks.

#30 Edited by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, cool with Giant Man for the movie tho

#31 Edited by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982 said:

@Moonchilde said:

Yes, we absolutely need both characters in the Avengers. Probably the two most underrated members of the Avengers (certainly of the founding members), the possibilities with them is vast.

Plus we absolutely need Ultron.

I couldn't agree more.

@Moonchilde said:

@Crash_Recovery said:

Not really.

The more screen time you dedicate to B list characters the less you're going to get of the rest. When you're trying to keep high-end hollywood talent interested in being in your films, you don't sell them on that idea by giving them less to do

But, then, I'm also apparently one of the few people not interested in Thanos. Two galactic threats in a row seems...repetitive?

I don't want Thanos either. Baron Zemo (& the Masters of Evil) for 2 and Ultron for 3 is what I want.

I was thinking of Ultron in #2, and at the end have another cameo by Thanos then in #3 they fight Thanos. Build up to it like how they built up to the Avengers in the hero's respective solo flicks.

Nah, Ultron needs proper build up to do right. Granted so do the Masters of Evil, but I feel they'd be easier to have ready by 2. Abomination already exist in the cinema-verse. They could introduce Baron Zemo in Cap 2 & Enchantress in Thor 2. Reveal that the shadowed-people that Fury was answering to is a revived Hydra now being controlled by Zemo. Cap exposes this in his second movie, Zemo, swearing revenge assembles a team to twart Cap once and for all, consisting of Enchantress, Abomination, Crimson Dynamo, and whatever b-list villains you want to fill in the remaining spots. Bam! Instant epic Avengers 2 plot.

During the course of the 2nd movie, Hank Pym (properly introduced in his solo movie), builds Ultron, who becomes instrumental in taking down the Masters of Evil, though the film should hint that there's something not right with Ultron. Between 2 & 3, introduce Black Panther, preferably in a BP solo film. Also between 2 and 3 hint at Ultron's further corruption, maybe in the teasers at the end of the various solo films.

Avengers 3, Ultron rebuilds himself out of Vibranium stolen from Wakanda (Marvel can't use Adamantium, so Vibranium would be a good alternative for his casing), and systematically takes over all electronics/computer devices across the planet, and begins attempting to replace all of humanity with synthzoids of his creation, the most advanced of which being Vision. Bam! Awesome Avengers vs. an army of killer robots led by the ultimate killer robot movie.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to be going with neither Zemo nor Enchantress for Cap 2 and Thor 2.

#32 Posted by TheCannon (18707 posts) - - Show Bio

@FuZySLiPeRz said:

I Also don't think they could work because Ant-man and Wasp would definitely require they're own tie-in movie. Which would give Marvel Studios difficulty in regards to funding the star power, and being able to distribute each character into the movie without them over shadowing the any other hero in the next Avengers. Besides I would much rather see the likes of Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Ms. Marvel, than a guy who can turn 30ft tall or reduce his size to that of an ant..or a woman who can also reduce her size and shoots glowing stingers at people. (Its funny as I was typing the last sentence I started to think maybe that would be cool because it hasn't been done before, but I remembered it would still just be wildly unrealistic, no matter how much of a scientific breakthrough it would appear be, and I'd still much rather see other heroes with more interesting and slightly more down to earth abilities).

No they don't.

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#33 Posted by tg1982 (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde: That's a pretty cool plot

#34 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont see why you dont think the movie going public wouldnt take them seriously. They took Captain America seriously and he's one of the cheesiest charecters in comics. since when did realism matter theres a guy who can turn into a green monster just from getting angry, and a mystical being from asgard.

#35 Posted by SoA (4833 posts) - - Show Bio

NO, i dont mind seeing pym (makes ultron, eventual creation of vision) but if just the bug people being lame ill wait till its on blu-ray and fast foward the lame bug people scenes.

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#36 Posted by StMichalofWilson (3822 posts) - - Show Bio

Hank and Janet, and their lovely son...

#37 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not a huge fan of Ant-Man or Wasp, but I really like Ultron and Vision.

#38 Edited by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers was a family movie, Avengers 2 according to Joss will have a true comic feel.

As for Ant-Man and Wasp, I think they'll do better as support scientists, the general movie-goers won't really like them too much but they'll work something out.

#39 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I would hope that Ant-Man makes an appearance as his solo film is finally making progress.

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#40 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8854 posts) - - Show Bio

I want neither in a movie

#41 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

I could totally see Ant-Man in an Avengers movie. I could totally see him being a size shifting, gadget using SHIELD brain who wants to be an agent and maybe tries to be a little bit like Iron Man. But he has to learn that he has to be more like Hawkeye or Black Widow. And I want them to cast someone low-key enough that they could make regular appearances as the tech character for the SHIELD television series.

#42 Posted by TDK_1997 (14892 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah I would want them both in a movie.

#43 Posted by Catsnlynne (1032 posts) - - Show Bio

I want Ant-Man. Don't like Wasp.
#44 Posted by The_Tree (7463 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course I do.

#45 Posted by Wonderman1 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

They are needed but mostly as a way to introduce Ultron. Show Hank doing well but being upstaged on both the hero and science stage by Stark. The insecurity drives him to create Ultron which goes horribly wrong. You all know the tale.

#46 Posted by The_Hat (16 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that it's fairly obvious which way they'll take it if you consider a) what the public will think of a movie called "Ant-Man", b) how the character will fit into later Avengers movies, and c) the director and writer.

I've a feeling it's going to have to be a Scott Lang Ant-Man, with Pym in the inventor/ mentor role. I think they'll cast a pretty young actor - they'll maybe even go the Full Efron. There was no young "Spider-Man" type character in the Avengers, and, as Spider-Man is Licensed by another movie studio, i think Ant-Man will fill that role. In his own film he'll be the fish-out-water character, as bewildered by the ridiculousness of his powers as the audience will be. The writer & the director's comedy background will be put to good use & I'd say it would probably pitched around the same level of whimsy as the first MacGuire Spider-Man film. Also, to look good on screen, i think we should expect action sequences involving both swarms of tiny ants & huge Giant-Man-ized 20 foot long insects. The director and writer both are comic book fans (i once saw Joe Cornish buying books in Forbidden Planet in London). It should be in good hands.

Wasp will be for the sequel.

#47 Posted by _Zombie_ (10442 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't particularly care. I've always been wholly indifferent to both characters, and I don't see them being enough of a detriment to make me get up in arms about their inclusion. Contrarily, they're not enough of a positive to make me get up in arms about their absence.

#48 Posted by MrArrogant (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Only If Nathan Fillion plays Ant-Man (Hank Pym, Neil Patrick Harris can play Scott Lang in Edgar Wright's Ant-man) and Felicia Day plays the wasp.

#49 Posted by Selinaky (677 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd like one or two new Avengers on the team, but I'm fairly indifferent towards Ant-Man and Wasp.

The main reason I'd like Ant-Man is for the possibility of Ultron.

#50 Edited by THORSON (2389 posts) - - Show Bio

of course. its like no ninjas in a ninja turtle movie.

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