@Gambit1024: I just find it funny by his sheer douche baggery he's done more harm than the top 10 Marvel villains combined

@joshmightbe said:

@Gambit1024: I just find it funny by his sheer douche baggery he's done more harm than the top 10 Marvel villains combined

lol

@Vance Astro said:

The Avengers are a broken concept thanks to Avengers Disassembled.I always thought they were supposed to be Marvel's most formidable Superhero group but in this day and age they are just that group you get into when Marvel is trying to sell your character and make more money.

sad but true

I agree, getting into the Avengers has become a bit to easy but desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. When Marvel has a world shattering event every few weeks with heroes dieing left and right new members will have to keep stepping up.

@Edgeworth_11: I answered that earlier, but I'm gonna tweak it.

One main Avengers team. No New. No Secret. Nothing like that.

1. Captain America- Team Leader and Strategist
2. Iron Man- Funding and Technology
3. Thor- Muscle and Magic
4. Ms. Marvel- Backup Leader and Extra Muscle
5. Hawkeye- Weapons Specialist
6. Black Panther- Stealth and Technology
7. Vision- Team Link

Each member has some sort of specialty to bring to the table, and has proven themselves worthy again and again. If I were writing for Marvel, I'd have another team controlled by SHIELD that deals with Special Ops (just like the Secret Avengers, but they wouldn't be called that). DD, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist would be too busy being on the Marvel Knights, so they can't be Avengers. Spider-Man and the Thing need to have their full attention on the FF. Wolverine also needs to be where he's needed most with the X-Men. Pym, Tigra, and Jocasta are instructors at Avengers Academy, but they are on call if it's an emergency.

@Gambit1024 said:

@Edgeworth_11: I answered that earlier, but I'm gonna tweak it.

One main Avengers team. No New. No Secret. Nothing like that.

1. Captain America- Team Leader and Strategist
2. Iron Man- Funding and Technology
3. Thor- Muscle and Magic
4. Ms. Marvel- Backup Leader and Extra Muscle
5. Hawkeye- Weapons Specialist
6. Black Panther- Stealth and Technology
7. Vision- Team Link

Each member has some sort of specialty to bring to the table, and has proven themselves worthy again and again. If I were writing for Marvel, I'd have another team controlled by SHIELD that deals with Special Ops (just like the Secret Avengers, but they wouldn't be called that). DD, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist would be too busy being on the Marvel Knights, so they can't be Avengers. Spider-Man and the Thing need to have their full attention on the FF. Wolverine also needs to be where he's needed most with the X-Men. Pym, Tigra, and Jocasta are instructors at Avengers Academy, but they are on call if it's an emergency.

This is a really good team. After watching the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, I really have a soft spot for the original avengers and your team fills all the functional purposes. The thing is DC provide logical reasons as to why they have more than one Justice League. Justice League International is a government/UN controlled team whereas Justice League Dark is a gathering of mystics. With Marvel, there are just too many Avenger teams. New Avengers is just Bendis' pet project and I despise the fact that characters like Spidey and Wolverine are on both the main Avenger teams. I also agree that there should be a black ops Avengers team that's logical but all the other characters are shoehorned in there so that they still appear in comics.

@Lvenger: Thanks. New Avengers have been a joke since the beginning of the 2nd volume, so I just pretend everything written in there is non-continuity. It helps me sleep at night. I think I'd call the black ops team The Invaders. Bucky, Black Widow, Ant-Man, War Machine, Falcon, Spider-Woman, and Mockingbird would be ideal for it. They'd most likely be lead by Nick Fury since he's not the head of SHIELD, atm.

@Edgeworth_11: I answered that earlier, but I'm gonna tweak it.

One main Avengers team. No New. No Secret. Nothing like that.

1. Captain America- Team Leader and Strategist
2. Iron Man- Funding and Technology
3. Thor- Muscle and Magic
4. Ms. Marvel- Backup Leader and Extra Muscle
5. Hawkeye- Weapons Specialist
6. Black Panther- Stealth and Technology
7. Vision- Team Link

Each member has some sort of specialty to bring to the table, and has proven themselves worthy again and again. If I were writing for Marvel, I'd have another team controlled by SHIELD that deals with Special Ops (just like the Secret Avengers, but they wouldn't be called that). DD, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist would be too busy being on the Marvel Knights, so they can't be Avengers. Spider-Man and the Thing need to have their full attention on the FF. Wolverine also needs to be where he's needed most with the X-Men. Pym, Tigra, and Jocasta are instructors at Avengers Academy, but they are on call if it's an emergency.

@Vance Astro: Why not?

@Gambit1024: Ha agreed. I don't know why Marvel puts up with Bendis. Admittedly, he has written some very good stuff like Ultimate Spider-Man and Daredevil but he should stay on individual books and not be made to write big event books as he can't do that well. And I like your black ops team btw. The Invaders is a great name for it to pay homage to the World War II team. Personally I would have your team but with a few changes:

Instead of Ant Man and Mockingbird, I'd have Valkyrie for some muscle for the team and if he were still alive, Doctor Druid to account as an energy projectionist and mystic for the team. Adds a bit of power variety which is what I like in a team. But your line up is pretty cool though.

@Vance Astro: Why not?

@Lvenger: Agreed. Bendis sucks at team books. His run on DD and his early Ultimate Spider-Man were awesome, though. Druid would be a very interesting character on there. Good call. I like Valkyrie, but I'm still not sold on if she's right for a black ops team.

@Vance Astro: Which ones? I was thinking about Hercules, but I wasn't sure about it.

@Vance Astro: Which ones? I was thinking about Hercules, but I wasn't sure about it.

@Edgeworth_11: I answered that earlier, but I'm gonna tweak it.

One main Avengers team. No New. No Secret. Nothing like that.

1. Captain America- Team Leader and Strategist
2. Iron Man- Funding and Technology
3. Thor- Muscle and Magic
4. Ms. Marvel- Backup Leader and Extra Muscle
5. Hawkeye- Weapons Specialist
6. Black Panther- Stealth and Technology
7. Vision- Team Link

Each member has some sort of specialty to bring to the table, and has proven themselves worthy again and again. If I were writing for Marvel, I'd have another team controlled by SHIELD that deals with Special Ops (just like the Secret Avengers, but they wouldn't be called that). DD, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist would be too busy being on the Marvel Knights, so they can't be Avengers. Spider-Man and the Thing need to have their full attention on the FF. Wolverine also needs to be where he's needed most with the X-Men. Pym, Tigra, and Jocasta are instructors at Avengers Academy, but they are on call if it's an emergency.

@Vance Astro: I'd go for She-Hulk, but they need to have some sort of procedure to take her out in case she freaks out like in Disassembled. I don't care if it wasn't her fault, they need to be prepared for anything. Justice is in the same boat as Pym, Tigra, and Jocasta. What's Firestar been up to at the moment? I think that in order to be an Avenger, you can't be on another team at the same time. That's why Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Thing aren't on my roster.

@Lonestar88: No Thor makes me sad :(

@Lonestar88: I'm honestly surprised something even happens to him. He's only been back since Ragnarok a few years now, right?

@Lonestar88: True. Same with Bucky. I doubt that Brubaker would ever let someone else kill his character.

@Gambit1024: Good point on Valkyrie. The reason why I chose her is because I didn't want anyone too strong or powerful on the team otherwise it wouldn't be fair having most of the other members on the team. Maybe She-Hulk instead?

@Lvenger: What about Quake?

@Gambit1024: I've just had a look at her as the only time I've seen her before is in Secret Invasion. She seems like the perfect energy projectionist, not too powerful plus she'd be used to working for black op teams due to her team with SHIELD and Secret Warriors. Thanks for the find!

I have to agree, I as well in recent times have felt The Avengers have lost the respect they used to command because of their current roster. People like Jessica Jones aren't Avengers, she's a hero for sure but good enough to be an Avenger?, No way.

i like variety. plus what with all this honor stuff? you japanese or something? the avengers were brought together to do good and fight evil that no one hero can. that's it. even the founding members have big faults. tony= alcoholic, pym=wife beater, thor=narcisistic muscle freak, hulk=rageholic. no honor there bub.

@KainScion: Tony- Recovered Alcoholic and Futurist, Pym- Scientist Supreme who's passion actually drove him to figure out how to bring people back to life, Thor- Puts the entire world before Asgard, Hulk- Quit in the second issue, so doesn't really count.