Off My Mind: What Will Ignite the Battle in Avengers Vs. X-Men?

Posted by G-Man (39827 posts) - - Show Bio

How many times have we seen superheroes fighting each other? It's one of the biggest comic book clichés apart from a character dying and returning. Heroes often run into each other, a big misunderstanding takes place, the heroes fight but come to their senses and team-up before the fight is finished.

The Avengers and the X-Men are the two biggest team of heroes in the Marvel Universe. While they have been at odds before, they tend to respect each other and are willing to work together.

Yeah, this is actually from an issue of X-MEN FOREVER.

All of that is going to change. We've been seeing image after image pitting members from one team against those from the other. With some of the match ups being teased, you can't imagine they will end well. The big question is what exactly is big enough to cause these two teams of the biggest heroes in the Marvel Universe to fight each other?

== TEASER ==

To add more fuel to the fire, these aren't necessarily two random teams of characters. Many of them have been on both teams. We currently have Wolverine, Storm, and Beast on both teams plus Namor has been an Avenger before. This, if anything, strengthens the relationships between the two teams. Most of the heroes on both team are reasonable characters. If something comes up, it should be possible for them to at least try to talk things out.

This actually isn't the first time the two teams had a fight. In 1987, X-MEN VS. THE AVENGERS came out as a four-issue miniseries. This story dealt with some pieces of Asteroid-M (which had been destroyed) falling to Earth. Magneto was with the X-Men after his trial in front of the world court. He was still wanted as the trial hadn't fully reached it's conclusion.

As for AVENGERS VS. THE X-MEN, there are at least two things that will have them all on edge. The first is the return of Scarlet Witch. Ever since she lost control and disassembled the Avengers and nearly wiped out all the mutants on the planet, she has been seen as an enemy to both sides. The X-Men and Avengers have been trying to decide what "must be done" with her before and after her disappearance. The recent story in AVENGERS: CHILDREN'S CRUSADE has dealt with her return and will conclude prior to this event. Because she's appearing on the cover to issue #0, chances are she'll play a big role in this event.

What little information we've had (besides teasers and covers) is the return of the Phoenix Force. It's making it's way back to Earth and will be looking for a host. You can't blame everyone having bad feelings over this as when Jean Grey's essence was involved, there was still too much of a danger present and an entire star system was destroyed. The Phoenix Force is an incredible threat and if it does find a host, that host could become be the world's greatest threat.

Who is the logical choice? Hope Summers of course. Ever since Hope showed signs of being a redhead, the immediate thought was she was Jean Grey reborn. This wouldn't really make sense as she had parents, who unfortunately were killed along with several others when she was born. After Bishop decided she had to be killed because she was the cause of his miserable life (in the X-Men's future), Cable took her and they ran through time. As Cable raised her, there were moments when a certain familiar flaming bird was seen reflected in her eyes. If Hope became the host, the Avengers would likely see her as a threat and feel they need to deal with her in some manner in order to save the world.

Hope is supposed to be either a mutant messiah or the cause of the miserable future for mutants. During Second Coming when it appeared Cable sacrificed his life for her, he discovered yet another miserable future where pretty much everything was wiped out. The supposed reason for the desolate future was because Hope wasn't around to save the world. Cable discovered that the Avengers were responsible for what happened/happens to Hope.

The current X-Sanction story is dealing with Cable returning to the present while he has less than 24 hours before the techno-organic virus finally engulfs his body and kills him. He is hunting down members of the Avengers one by one in order to try to prevent the death of his "daughter." This action will lead into AVENGERS VS. X-MEN.

Will Hope become the host for the Phoenix Force? Despite seeing an image of her possibly in possession of the Phoenix power, it would be too predictable. There have been other hosts for the Phoenix Force after Jean Grey. Rachel Summers was able to have some control over it since she was Jean's daughter in another reality. Quentin Quire was briefly a host during PHOENIX: ENDSONG. In PHOENIX: WARSONG the Stepford Cuckoos got mixed up with the Force. Korvus had some control over it through the Phoenix Blade belonging to his ancestor. It's possible that Hope might be off the hook in becoming the next host.

The Phoenix Force isn't only interested in Jean or redheads. In fact, there's already been a cover reveal for NEW AVENGERS showing Iron Fist possibly getting possessed or trying to contain the Phoenix Force. Maybe to really get both the X-Men and Avengers worked up, the Phoenix Force should target Scarlet Witch as its new host. The only thing is the Phoenix Force tends to attach itself to those with telepathic abilities.

Comic readers are already up in arms over this coming event. Yet there's no denying that people are talking about what's coming up. With so many other characters becoming Avengers, this battle is including and will affect most of the Marvel Universe. It's going to be a sticky fight, especially with the Phoenix Force involved. The real curiosity is what role Scarlet Witch will play, will Hope survive and could this be the chance Scarlet Witch needs to fully redeem herself?

#1 Posted by Ferro Vida (34318 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist = kung fu Jesus. I hope it's him, just because of how ridiculous that would be.

#2 Posted by maikkywin (103 posts) - - Show Bio

Everything is a result of Phoenix .

Thats how marvel works .

#3 Posted by ColonelRunAway (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan stole Cap & Cyclops's pop-tarts and told them each that the other did it. Then boom, war were declared.

#4 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2321 posts) - - Show Bio

O_O Scarlet witch created Hope OH SNAP PLOT TWIST!!!!

I really want to know how it ends, not really interested in how it starts

#5 Posted by saoakden (1220 posts) - - Show Bio

The phoniex force is a douche. Almost as big as a douche then the Guardians of the Universe, Jor-El on Smallville, and Odin.

#6 Posted by Saren (27201 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap made a move on Scott and Logan was jelly.

#7 Posted by marvelman2099 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

isnt it ironic that this is the confrontation that led to punisher killing the marvel universe o.

#8 Posted by Chaos Burn (1887 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope will get the phoenix force, and Avengers will want Hope

#9 Posted by KidChipotle (14846 posts) - - Show Bio

It concludes with the Avengers and X-men killing everyone during this battle and then Scarlet Witch somehow reboots time and a mysterious pink woman, dressing in pink robes, who will later be called Pandora, tells her she is fixing the time line in which everything starts back over at #1.

#10 Posted by Sir_Deadpool (491 posts) - - Show Bio

hope is going to be on a rampage!

#11 Posted by BatClaw89 (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Civil War was awesome. I hated how everything went to normal after but it was good. Avengers Vs. X-men just makes no sense but I have to see whats about before I condemn  Marvels desperation.

#12 Posted by lorex (999 posts) - - Show Bio

Whatever happens I hope that no one who is an Avenger will become a host of the phoenix force. If that happens that will be two long term major X-Men story lines perverted into an Avengers story line. The first being the mutant registration act a the center of Civil War and if an Avenger becomes host for the Phoenix Force that would be two. Whats next are the Purifiers going to expand their focus to all superhumans or is Sinister going to give up on the X-Men and go after Captain America.

#13 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29886 posts) - - Show Bio

@ColonelRunAway said:

Logan stole Cap & Cyclops's pop-tarts and told them each that the other did it. Then boom, war were declared.

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#14 Posted by wowylied (238 posts) - - Show Bio

I really Hope that this new event (marvel have copyright on this word ?) is the end for Hope. I mean since second coming she made nothing except two thing : she killed cable and the schism. She is the cause of two of the worst thing that happened in the x-men since her birth. She never use her power except for some page to say "herp derp phoenix". And we all deeply know that jean grey will return in way or another. But if it is not enough now we have the return of the scarlet witch which make her even more useless to the plot. She only exist in order to have the phoenix again.

#15 Posted by Solarflare32 (399 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr sinister will likely attack both teams to control the pheonix force

#16 Edited by Nosfistis (34 posts) - - Show Bio

Most awesome story ever! I love the stories that include long-running fan debate, like in Civil war. Really looking forward to this. My bet's on Hope to host Phoenix Force. She gets Phoenix, she goes berserk, avengers want to kill her, x-men don't and all hell breaks loose. I hope this won't be a passing moment but will have long run effects too. Cool stuff. Go X-men!

(Now all I need is a Superman VS Songoku from DC and my all my comic dreams will come true.)

#17 Posted by Eyz (3187 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto will sneeze, Cap won't say a thing, Cyclops will say "God bless you", tension will arise, claws thrown around, blast thrown around.... and the fight of the year will start!

#18 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope will get it eventually. I will be royally pissed if this is not resolved. X-Fans have had to deal with teasing since Messiah Complex.

#19 Posted by TheOlympian (116 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Hope is the daughter of Jean Grey and Scarlet Witch by way of Wanda inadvertently shaping a remaining Phoenix shard (which holds Grey's essence) into Hope. The Phoenix Force will come to claim her and she will resist. This will lead to mass destruction and the Avengers will respond. Cyclops has faith in her role as messiah and will see to it that she fulfills that role. Cap wants her detained/dead and Cyclops wants her to find her path. Wolverine will ultimately have to choose the X-Men over the Avengers (because of his love for Jean) and thus, scars from Schism will be mended. Cue cameo by Mrs. Grey-Summers. In the end, Hope joins the big happy Maximoff-Lensherr family and creates more unique mutants and demolishes the Avengers Tower, the White House, the Statue of Liberty and South America in the process...

#20 Posted by EnSabahNurX (2321 posts) - - Show Bio

Wanda said magic has a price, her no more mutant spell recoiled and created hope(the remaining PF shard) who has been slowly undoing the spell and has control over those she cures.

#21 Posted by jubilee042 (1378 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't the phoenix force be contained by an omega level mutant only weird?

#22 Posted by marvelman2099 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont understand this at all i havnt kept up with anything, but in the end someones controlling someone thats the way it seems with marvel -.-

#23 Posted by marvelman2099 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

wow i just looked and they have already done this before -.- re hashing old battles. why? cant come up with anything original anymore?

#24 Posted by DXmagma (96 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe because Cable came back in time and started killing avengers?

#25 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

@DXmagma said:

Maybe because Cable came back in time and started killing avengers?

yeah that did not help matters

#26 Posted by leokearon (1952 posts) - - Show Bio
@DXmagma said:

Maybe because Cable came back in time and started killing avengers?

That is exactly the reason,
Cable travels back in time to stop the Avengers from going near Hope, however it is by his actions that the Avengers get interested in Hope. Therefore Cable sets in motion the very thing he is trying to stop
#27 Posted by LordRequiem (1335 posts) - - Show Bio

Well we can deduce that one of the deaths will be Cable then. I liked House of M, but don't want to see Scarlet Witch used as a plot device again. The phoenix force itself would be a good reason for a confrontation. I can imagine Colossonaught doesn't need a reason to fight. Cyclops wouldn't engage them unless it was absolutely necessary. What I'd love is to see Norman's new Dark Avengers actually do something and instigate this little hoo-ha covertly, and watch it unfold, but that sounds like too good a story to happen here.

#28 Posted by rimes_roc (5 posts) - - Show Bio

I am deeply confused by Marvel and the Phoenix Force (again). Didn't Jean set out to find the remaining shards and didn't she become 'one with the force'? Then this storyline makes no sense to me. If someone has the answers I would appreciate being enlightened...?

#29 Posted by mikeclark1982 (423 posts) - - Show Bio

it is going to be because beast stepped on cyclops' boots, and cyclops going hood and trying to kill him because he jumped ship and got his A card reactivated. yup, it is not going to make sense.

#30 Posted by Watcherg6 (278 posts) - - Show Bio

How many times have we seen superheroes fighting each other? It's one of the biggest comic book clichés apart from a character dying and returning.

If it's the Hulk thats all we ever see.

#31 Posted by Inverno (13757 posts) - - Show Bio

I am just gonna say this: this big "badass" crossover could just fill less than five issues and then it's over, there is no need for a whole saga. Unless the word is definitly good, i am not picking up this series sooner.

#32 Posted by marvelman2099 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

@Watcherg6: ya and they have already done this o.o

#33 Posted by fodigg (6211 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

Iron Fist = kung fu Jesus. I hope it's him, just because of how ridiculous that would be.

I'm down.

And yeah, you got Phoenix on one side, Scarlet Witch on the other, the Fantastic Four have Franklin Richards, other versions of the Avengers had Sentry...all the big teams have someone who's too dangerous to live. Nobody really has the moral high ground if "phoenix" is the reason they're fighting.

#34 Posted by BritishMonkey (355 posts) - - Show Bio


i was thinking on doing that

#35 Posted by progenitor (7552 posts) - - Show Bio

I just hope this doesn't end up with Namor being beaten by having a killer whale flop on him.

#36 Posted by Miss_Garrick (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist becoming the latest Phoenix avatar? Neat.

But why does the Phoenix Froce keep coming back? It posessess a host, all heck breaks loose, the host dies (usually), the Phoenix comes back, and the cycle continues. Isn't the Phoenix intelligent enough to just stop this mess, or is it addicted to Earth?

#37 Posted by Ganthetsward20 (724 posts) - - Show Bio

O man I really hope they play this all out really good, im getting psyched up for it and have loved the pairings they have done in advertisement! MARVEL don't let me down...or im gonna stop reading everything you put out.

#38 Posted by notoriousbcb (427 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix Force will wreak havoc on everything and everyone. As the earth and the universe are on the brink of extinction, the Phoenix Force will join Mr. Immortal for a caffeine fix at Starbucks, where it will reveal the last secret - Mr. Immortal will finally know how many licks it takes to get to the center of Tootsie Pop.

#39 Posted by Cafeterialoca (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

It's Hope Summers. Numerous times, they said that the Phoenix Force is coming to earth, and Hope Summers is the beacon that everyone fighting for.

So again, Hope Summers.

#40 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3980 posts) - - Show Bio

I am sick of the Phoenix Force. I'm really starting to wish that they stuck with the initial concept of Jean having sun-empowered ability boosts because the PF is starting to be over used.

#41 Posted by paulcousins (30 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope will be the new host for the Phoenix.

As a result the x-men have to deal with her, she kills them and the Avengers intervene, killing hope.

Cable comes back in time to save hope by killing the Avengers revealing something about the future timeline to the Avengers which makes them fight the X-Men in an attempt to avoid the timeline.

Something awesome happens...

#42 Posted by laabitres (584 posts) - - Show Bio

thisll b interesting but xmen all day

#43 Posted by AskaniSon295 (453 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cyclops ate Captain America's Steak.

#44 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6958 posts) - - Show Bio

That'll be all she wrote if the Phoenix Force latches onto Scarlet Witch, not to mention coming full circle considering it was with Jean for the longest time. At the very least, I think the catalyst that sparks conflict between the X-Men and Avengers centers around Hope. It just seems the obvious ploy.

#45 Posted by sladewilson30 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

Is the government still against mutants, if so, maybe that's why.

#46 Posted by pspin (1081 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't there an article a couple weeks ago about why superheroes shouldn't drink....

#47 Posted by Outside_85 (12469 posts) - - Show Bio

Am I the only one who's noticed the Cable isnt on any of these covers?

#48 Posted by OracleX (365 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix Force will come and destroy Marvel Headquarters for summoning it reek havoc on earth again instead of destroying other galaxies that a far more sophisticated than that in which earth exists.

#49 Posted by Captain_Gunky (9 posts) - - Show Bio

@ColonelRunAway: I hope it is something like that. That would be awesome.

#50 Posted by Captain_Gunky (9 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope it's just a huge misunderstanding. Like the Avengers think Wolverine is working with Phoenix, but he's actually just taking online classes at the University of Phoenix.

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