@DJ1107: Let's keep the language clean. No need for it get to excessive.
Avengers vs. X-Men
Marvel Comics' 2012 event. As a repercussion from the events that took place in The Children's Crusade, Fear Itself, Schism, and X-Sanction, the Avengers and X-Men go to war over the return of the Phoenix Force.
Legendary Marvel Character Dies in AVENGERS VS X-MEN #11
Eh, it won't last but still, it just shows how douchey Scott has now become. Funny considering he was such a model citizen in the superhero world for some time.
Didn't see that coming...sad to see ole Cueball die (again)...But if Marvel is trying to make me hate Cyclops (even more), then they have mightily suceeded. (He really has been a douchebag for several years now, indeed since he walked out on his wife Madelyne.) And if they don't kill him off at the end of AvX, I will be really disappointed. Though that looks to be the case from the Marvel Now poster and the left panel of the All-New X-men cover I've seen posted. Good grief! They can kill off the Professor, but they can't see fit to kill off Cyclops?!? "Oh, but he was under the influence of the Phoenix...!" Oh, bite me. What a lame excuse. At least Jean had the grace to off herself before she got out of control!
Well Marvel just gave the world license to hate on Cyke. But I guess it's times like this when real fans are determined. Will you stand by the characters you like after everyone turns against them? Or will you join the raging bandwagon of spite?
Screw AVX and it's mischaracterization I'm still a fan of Scott Summers
While deaths have become pointless and xavier has died before if this sticks it could really help make All New Xmen an interesting comic seeing the old team meet a cyclops who killed the prof. also I too havent liked cyclops that much in recent years, though i admit hes had some great moments. but just some.
Scott in this series makes Tony Stark in Civil War look like Jesus Christ. Marvel has made Cyclops quite possibly the most unlikable character in recent memory. I feel bad for Cyclops fans reading into this.
Saw this coming. Cyclops is one of the best leaders in Marvel. Don't believe me, look at his successes during Marvel events compared to other heroes. He had the best victory during Civil War, Secret Invasion, He was the first hero to put Osborn in his place during Dark reign, and during Fear Itself he was the only hero to nearly score a kill over a member of the worthy. (although i didn't read many of the spin off titles, so I can't be certain.)
Feats like this really pose a threat to Cap, who is supposed to be the go do leader of Marvel. So Marvel took a "can't beat him, discredit him " approach to Cyck'e character.
IM SORRY, CYCLOPS ISNT THE DICK PEOPLE THINK; HE WAS PUSHED, EVEN SHOVED. THIS WAS AWFUL WRITTING... BOBBY & SCOTT GREW UP TOGETHER; AND WHAT BOBBY SAYS WAS JUST HURTFUL. HULK WAS CALLED IN ONLY TO SMASH EMMA, SHE'S A PSI OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, HOW DIDNT SHE SEE IT? THIS EVENT HAS BEEN A WASTE OF TIME.
2 all who keep calling Cyclops a duche and so on.While Cyke isn't my favorite character, nobody said heroes were perfect, they are all flawed. Batman is a repeat offender of child endangerment, Tony Stark/Ironman is drunk, Spidey neglectects his Aunt may and neglected and ignored his uncle ben which caused his uncle his life. Antman/Hank Pym is a woman beater, Alan Scott / Green Lantern is gay,Superman is judgemental, Rogue, Black Widow,Starfire and several others are whores, Thor dislikes his father, Charles Xavier/ Prof X enslaved a lifeform.There's no need to be judgemental about the choices of heroes, they are just comics, 9 out of 10, they are flawed, ask Luke Cage and Simon Williams/ Wonderman.
Seriously, everyone here is right. I hadn't read an X-Men comic in years, and the one time I pick one up I watch Bishop pop one in the Professor's head. How many times has he died? Does it make a f*&#ing difference anymore? I'd like to direct everyone to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book_death
At everyone who dislikes Cyclops, I've got one thing to say. In terms of being a leader, he's done more for the mutant race in recent years than Xavier, Magneto, Apocalypse, etc. have done during their entire publication history. Cyclops is a soldier, a veteran, and he's been through a lot. People use to bash on him for being stoic and boring, with an uber powerful ability, who is hopelessly in love with Jean Grey and has pissing contests with Logan. But honestly, Jean's death, in the long run, turned him into such an unbelieveble badass, who has been putting his great strategic abilities to good use, even if his peers (Beast, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler RIP), disagree with him. And Xavier realy has no place as leader next to Cyclops, and Scott lost all repsect for Charles when he found out about the truth behind Krakoa, as well as the Danger Room. In my honest opinion, Scott Summers grew up, and took his destiny by the reigns and rode it.
@Billy Batson said:
Can't stop laughing.
BB
If only I could have even that much of a reaction to it. All I got is "meh..."
Also today I took a dump, it was more interesting and will have more lasting impact a year from now.
@hyenascar said:
Charles dies? Who cares, that's marvel. Death is worthless. I love Cyclops' character the last few years. All the people poo pooing cyclops, with the exception of being under the phoenix, have missed out on some great stories. May cyclops actually remain as interesting as he has been recently.
Cold hard fact: Whether you like it or not, or whether your willing to believe it or not, the world needs people like that asshole to get things done.
Bingo! And this is coming from a guy who hated this guy since oh...I could read a comic. Over the past few years I've come to greatly respect and actually really like Scott. Sadly this whole lame "Dark Phoenix", religious zealot thing's been so heavy handed and highly derailing of all the character development he's had.
@Icarusflies said:
And then suddenly this event turned into X-Men III: The Last Stand.
YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! You! You have the greatest comment in the history of the internet my friend!
As an obvious Cyclops fan, im appalled at the treatment the character has received recently. he has been written out of character to suit the bigger picture of the direction MARVEL NOW is gonna take. That being said, this may actually be good for the character in hindsight. How else to make a "boy scout" develop further?
you hear that DC? theres your superman solution.
Provided he survives AvX (and even if he doest, odds are he and Prof X will come back), here's hoping for a more interesting Scott Summers in future.
As for Cyclops credibility as a leader? He's up there with Black Bolt if you ask me.
And THAT is high praise indeed
@GR2Blackout said:
@JimmyOlsen1 said:
He will be back sooner or later ... like every important Marvel character.
Besides Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, Battlin' Jack Murdock (or whatever they call Daredevil's dad), Abomination, etc.
Uncle Ben needs to be dead because without his death, Peter Parker wouldn't be Spider-Man, Jack Murdock, Gwen Stacey and Abomination ar not that important like Professor X is.
Anybody else think of X-Men: The Last Stand when reading this scene?
@danhimself said:
@G-Man said:
These pages don't do the scene justice.
agreed...also Uncanny X-men #18 goes perfectly with this issue
I just read AvX #11... I have yet to read UXM #18 but your comment makes me wonder how much more "justice" needs to be done..
Cyclops has become the new Magneto. His teammates are all "ex"-villains, he killed professor X. Wolverine was right to leave. Wolverine's X-Men are the only X-Men to me, Cyke is the leader of the New Brotherhood at this point.
This is the first and only instance of Cyclops being an actual villain in this entire series. If this is the downfall of Cyclops I really hope he goes out with a bang and isn't just swept under the rug and forgotten after this. Cyke being one of my fav characters I really hope they don't just shit on him now.
@aaunderoath said:
This is the first and only instance of Cyclops being an actual villain in this entire series. If this is the downfall of Cyclops I really hope he goes out with a bang and isn't just swept under the rug and forgotten after this. Cyke being one of my fav characters I really hope they don't just shit on him now.
they will on THIS Cyclops. They are going to use the one from the past to "Correct" (for those who THINK he was acting like a villain) some decisions they made with his character.
@JimmyOlsen1 said:
@GR2Blackout said:
@JimmyOlsen1 said:
He will be back sooner or later ... like every important Marvel character.
Besides Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, Battlin' Jack Murdock (or whatever they call Daredevil's dad), Abomination, etc.
Uncle Ben needs to be dead because without his death, Peter Parker wouldn't be Spider-Man, Jack Murdock, Gwen Stacey and Abomination ar not that important like Professor X is.
I like how you're avatar is facepalming your comment.....Gwen Stacy not important??????!!!!!!!!
@danhimself said:
@JimmyOlsen1 said:
@GR2Blackout said:
@JimmyOlsen1 said:
He will be back sooner or later ... like every important Marvel character.
Besides Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, Battlin' Jack Murdock (or whatever they call Daredevil's dad), Abomination, etc.
Uncle Ben needs to be dead because without his death, Peter Parker wouldn't be Spider-Man, Jack Murdock, Gwen Stacey and Abomination ar not that important like Professor X is.
I like how you're avatar is facepalming your comment.....Gwen Stacy not important??????!!!!!!!!
When did I say that Gwen is NOT important? I just said that she's not that much important like Professor X is. That's my opinion ;)
i think it wasnt his death that matterd it was the manor of it ie. cyclops killing him in front of the xmen
Wow Marvel....... First Jean Grey & Now Professor X......... Wow As A True Marvel Fan I Am Far From Happy With This......... I think Its Time To Join DC Full Time....... (Packs Up All Marvel Comics & Prepared To Get Rid Of Them)
That is it! Cyclops needs to die now! All he is is a jerk, even before he was possessed by the Phoenix Force. Him killing Xavier, the man who took him in when he needed him most and has shown him nothing but love and pride for his pupil, shows he needs to either die or be convicted of his crime. Knowing Marvel, he will try to redeem himself and when Xavier comes back he will be all "I forgive you Scott". Well no more! I as a reader almost completely hate the X-men because of Cyclops and Emma Frost! Done with both I say to thee!
Pretending Xavier won't be part of the new Marvel NOW! Universe is just retarded.. He probably will be alive in some other X-Men title in another "universe" I mean really think about it, how and why would Marvel kill off one of the most important characters. Jean-Luc Picard is not going anywhere except back into some other X-Men title or something. Civil War. Infinity Gauntlet. Secret Wars II. Illuminati. Beyonder. Secret Invasion. Dark Reign. House Of M. Now Avengers Vs. X-Men, Xavier will be back. Well No Duh..
I blame the movies and Wolverine and the Xmen (cartoon series). That's all this really is. They saw Xaiver die in the movie by the Phoenix and said HEEEYYYYY. It was random in the movie and it was random in the comic. I get that Cyclops has changed but killing someone that's been like a father to you. I guess it was meant to be a symbol of killing himself and what he used to be. The death of Xaiver to Cyclops was ensuring that he wouldn't turn back from the path he now walks. That's what the writer most likely had in mind.
how many times must a character die before you really get rid of them? didnt the original xavier die years ago?
Does anyone think this is some kind of mental projection or misdirection? i.e. make Scott believe he's killing Chuck, just to see how far he'll go.
@CaioTrubat said:
Congratulations, Marvel. You thrown years and years of the X-Men fighting for co-existence with mankind down the drain.
Xavier hasn't even been relevant to the X-Men in nearly a decade. Does it really matter if he's dead? Scott basically kicked him out of the X-Men anyway when he mind-wiped him so he wouldn't remember Vulcan.
Plus, Xavier has died like 5 times already. He'll be back in less than 5 years. Guaranteed.
@CaioTrubat said:
@xeon1cs: Xavier is not quite the point. Now the mutants are truly the monsters that everybody rightfully feared and hated them. Everything I devoted for the characters has been rendered moot by this event.
How are mutants the monsters?
The Avengers have been in the wrong this entire event.
@xeon1cs said:
@CaioTrubat said:
@xeon1cs: Xavier is not quite the point. Now the mutants are truly the monsters that everybody rightfully feared and hated them. Everything I devoted for the characters has been rendered moot by this event.
How are mutants the monsters?
The Avengers have been in the wrong this entire event.
Until Namor decided to drown Wakanda and Scott is having godlike power that, no doubt, he will loose control over very soon. How do you think the world will treat mutants after these events?
@CaioTrubat said:
@xeon1cs said:
@CaioTrubat said:
@xeon1cs: Xavier is not quite the point. Now the mutants are truly the monsters that everybody rightfully feared and hated them. Everything I devoted for the characters has been rendered moot by this event.
How are mutants the monsters?
The Avengers have been in the wrong this entire event.
Until Namor decided to drown Wakanda and Scott is having godlike power that, no doubt, he will loose control over very soon. How do you think the world will treat mutants after these events?
What does Namor flooding Wakanda have to do with the overall events of AvX? Namor, Colossus and Magik becoming avatars was 100% irrelevant. It was fairly obvious from the beginning they weren't going to last. Those 3 positions could have been filled by any mutant.
This whole thing of "SCOTT IS LOSING CONTROL!" was just some horrible writing where that is all they said for 2-3 issues straight, despite him showing zero signs of him actually losing control. It is that same horrible writing that will allow the Avengers to come out clean from this event, despite it being very clear to any reader that they were the ones that continued to harass the P5.
You can poke a bear with a stick for as long as you want. Eventually the bear is going to get up and retaliate. This is exactly what happened to Scott. They continued to push him, over and over and now they're shocked that he is fighting back? He told them to stop, he gave them ample time to back off. They didn't. Scott has done absolutely nothing wrong this event.
The Avengers acted just like the Hellfire Club. They pushed and pushed Scott until he broke.
Look at when Scott went to K'un-L'un. He didn't do anything, he said he just wanted to take Hope back. What do they Avengers do? Iron Fist and Iron Man attack him. Marvel has just pushed this "The X-Men are wrong" thing so hard. The Phoenix doesn't even work like this. This is one of the most poorly written events that we've seen in quite some time. The art is the only redeeming quality.
This was so far beyond dumb. No one at the shop i frequent thought he died until it was announced in the news. We all thought he was just knocked out or something. Not even a big "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" onscreen from anyone????
So, this event has accomplished a few things I think. All the work the X-Men have accomplished over the years has been washed down the drain. The X-Men are now the bad guys. Xavier is once again dead (I would hope it lasts for a while, so that when he comes back his character can fully recover from the years of dickery that have been added to his character) Cyclops is now an even bigger dick than before.
Xavier was the wrong man to die in this, at least the wrong man as the story was written. I think it would've been far more dramatic and world breaking if Hope had died. We could've seen a complete and utter breakdown on Scott's part as he realized that his actions had led to the death of the person who he thought was his people's savior, and the character then could've continued to grow. However, I don't think Xavier was the worst choice for a major character death. After all, Marvel hasn't known what they were doing with the man for years now, and i'm glad he's dead so they can take some time to get him back on track. Its just really sad that such a great character (Who i'll admit hasn't been important for years now) was killed off in this awful event.
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
So, this event has accomplished a few things I think. All the work the X-Men have accomplished over the years has been washed down the drain. The X-Men are now the bad guys. Xavier is once again dead (I would hope it lasts for a while, so that when he comes back his character can fully recover from the years of dickery that have been added to his character) Cyclops is now an even bigger dick than before.
Xavier was the wrong man to die in this, at least the wrong man as the story was written. I think it would've been far more dramatic and world breaking if Hope had died. We could've seen a complete and utter breakdown on Scott's part as he realized that his actions had led to the death of the person who he thought was his people's savior, and the character then could've continued to grow. However, I don't think Xavier was the worst choice for a major character death. After all, Marvel hasn't known what they were doing with the man for years now, and i'm glad he's dead so they can take some time to get him back on track. Its just really sad that such a great character (Who i'll admit hasn't been important for years now) was killed off in this awful event.
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