WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN Creative Team Discuss Future Of The Book

Dang, looks like Mystique got an upgrade.

Looks like the school's getting some new students, although I'm betting that the dark-haired girl with the wings in the cover image is Mystique in disguise.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Yeah, but she looks a bit blocky in the first panel. Although I do love the idea of her being a shapeshifter on a molecular level, like Apocalypse or Transonic.

Seems like there are some great things to come for the future of this title

I'm still waiting to see if the issue of Wolverine is addressed in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Many of the staff of the Jean Grey School left Utopia because they didn't like Cyclop's mutant hit squad, but Wolverine is doing the same thing. Do they know about his X-Force team? I'm not sure any of the writers are thinking about that plot hole.

To me, Wolverine has become such a hypocrite.

I spot some new mutants :D

More of the same? I'll pass

how can Broo be on the cover of issue 25?

@cavalierchen28: It's quite possible that he survived.

this is the best X book on the shelves. Crazy, funny, weird, and Wolverine is an awsome school leader. I just love it. From what I gathered Evan isn't going to stay a bad guy. Kind of a had a feeling he wouldn't become Apocalypse. Genesis is a great idea for a character.

Storm gets around. Just how many months ago was she kissing it up with Cyke on the cover of Astonishing? Yikes.

Poor Broo :(

@FoxxFireArt said:

I'm still waiting to see if the issue of Wolverine is addressed in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Many of the staff of the Jean Grey School left Utopia because they didn't like Cyclop's mutant hit squad, but Wolverine is doing the same thing. Do they know about his X-Force team? I'm not sure any of the writers are thinking about that plot hole.

To me, Wolverine has become such a hypocrite.

I both agree and disagree. I'll explain why it is I disagree;

Wolverine's main point with maintaining X-Force is he's doing it so no one else has to. So that the kids in particular never have to kill. He believes killing the shooter before he pulls the trigger is better than suffering hind sight bias. He always has and simply held back because folks like Prof. X and Scott kept him on a tight leash. He tried things their way. The sad thing is, in the stories as they've been written thus far, Wolverine's way has not proven to be a terrible theory.

When the shite hit the fan, he never hid the fact that X-Force was always just as much Logan's hit squad as it was Cyclops'. He hid from nothing and shouldered the blame every bit as much as Cyclops did (Storm in particular really had it out with him).

But when their gig was exposed, he gave Cyclops a way out. Logan just soldiered on, shouldering the entire burden (even financially when Warren succumbed) when it risked dragging Scott under the bus. Do you really think Scott didn't know what Logan was doing? He agreed to keep his hands clean on paper, to be kept in the dark, to reestablish his integrity as a leader while Logan forged on. Reread their exchange ... Scott knew. He ain't dumb and knows Logan fairly well.

Finally, Logan being part of X-Force coincides with his philosophy that kids should not be soldiers. To make the world a less dark place for the next generation ... for wrong or for right, he kills so they can grow up not having to be soldiers and becomes themselves killers.

@Super_SoldierXII:

I get that Wolverine's issue was about kids. I'm more talking about how he's still benefiting from having an X-Force team and hiding it from his school's staff. A staff that left with him becasue they didn't want a mutant hit squad, period.

Very very excited about this!! I love all of the characters in Wolverine & The X-Men and hope that it will continue to reach #100 or so!!

Awe awe awesome

@Super_SoldierXII: the whole reason behind scott's x force was to protect mutants as well.

& even though it coincides with logan's philosophy that kids shouldnt be warriors.. hes fooling himself mutant children are going to have to learn how to be solders, because of how hated they are... the last school ended cause people kept killing off the students... if you cuddle the kids & Force them to be children your only weakening them for the dark future that lye's ahead

Wolverine & Scott aren't so different but wolverine is morally worse. Wolverine kills ALL the time hes a flat out murderer hes no different from sabertooth or Dakken. he will kill at moments notice... the only difference is he has a soft side for kids & hes wolverine so no one accepts his faults. X force is a necessary evil in order to deal with specific & dire threats but if scott should be condemned for that so should logan

@frochez: Actually she appears in AvX 12 in a panel w/ Spider Man. She's "new" in more ways than just being a student at the school if you get what I mean

@FoxxFireArt: Didnt he come clean with them when he brought back Evan and Angel?

Looks great... Nick Bradshaw is groing on me....Love the Wolverine and the X-men series.... (Only didn't care for #17... but whatta heck)This looks great.... Who is that other artist I see ...

@cavalierchen28 said:

how can Broo be on the cover of issue 25?

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does this mean he survived being headshot in the last issue?

check out the preview pages at IfanBoy... if you want to get spoiled that is.....

Wolverine and Storm both are comic hoes lol, making out with everybody

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Wolverine's X-Men seems like one of those books that I want to read but don't know where to start, like X-Factor. It seems like a fun book where lots of random and fun stuff can happen. Blade applies for a job, to teach the students how to fight the undead. Deathlock is a teacher there. All that fun stuff.

Am I the only one who thinks the whole Kitty/Iceman thing is not only stupid, but completely boring and unoriginal? I wouldn't mind if it were a new thing, but it's already been done in the Ultimate universe and on Wolverine and the X-men, so... not really that original. I'm also a die hard Kitty/Colossus fan, so I may be biased, but I feel like they could have come up with a better romantic storyline for both of them

There was on X-Men Animated (1990 series) where Wolverine and Storm actually dated/kissed. Not sure if anyone remembers this but yeah, I remember seeing that on Netflix. It was about the future and Cable had to do something to save someone or something (can't recall what the story was about).

@Outside_85:

I don't think so. Otherwise, why would the staff be against Cyclops having a hit squad, but okay with Wolverine doing it? That would make them all hypocrites to use the very methods they denounced.

@FoxxFireArt: Because Cyclops had a number of kids on that squad, which was what Logan was so against.

This series is so great.

Looking forward to seeing how this series develops as the "main" x-book.

@Outside_85:

Much of the staff didn't like having a hit squad period. It wasn't just about the kids. That's why Beast left.

I don't know why, but I always liked Storm and Wolverine together

Storm girl what the hell are you doing! You can have any man in the Marvel Universe, and you're sucking face with the Danny Devito of the X-Men. I hope you make him shave his back. You went from the king of Wakanda, to a high school principal. That's like going from Jay-Z to Flavor-Flav! 

@FoxxFireArt said:

@Super_SoldierXII:

I get that Wolverine's issue was about kids. I'm more talking about how he's still benefiting from having an X-Force team and hiding it from his school's staff. A staff that left with him becasue they didn't want a mutant hit squad, period.

How is he 'benefiting' from it? He's not benefiting at all ... he and his team go through hell doing what they do to prevent the very worst elements from mass murdering ever again and they gain nothing in so doing.

I'm sorry, but Sabretooth rapes, tortures and murders indiscriminately and without restraint. He has proven himself to be far beyond rehabilitation. He needs to be put down before he guts another innocent person (like the defenseless woman he disemboweled on a whim in a recent issue for instance). Who's going to take Creed out, local law enforcers? Shya right. I'm all for knowing there's a team out there putting rabid dogs like that in a six foot grave. The Skinless man is another perversion. Another serial killer who gets off on mutilation and murder ... The Shadow King rapes the minds and souls of his endless victims.

Yes X-Force, please, by all means, rid humanity of their disease I say.

We have to understand it's absolute blights on humanity that X-Force was devised to do away with. Apocalypse, the mutant who keeps being reborn to commit genocide (or at least attempt such) again, and again and again. Who kills people, men women and children, as though they were less than insects ... yes, please, by all means ... stop him by any means necessary X-Force! No?

Here's the kicker; why should he have do divulge everything he is doing to kids and comrades alike when he believes he's sacrificing for the greater good and in hiding from them the darker, sadder side of life like that, is protecting them from certain harsh realities they need not be a part of, realities he would keep them from, and save them from living as he had and has, by any means necessary? He believes the world needs people like him to prevent those he loves from having to become killers like him. He's not being a hypocrite, he's manning up.

@DATNIGGA said:

@Super_SoldierXII: the whole reason behind scott's x force was to protect mutants as well.

& even though it coincides with logan's philosophy that kids shouldnt be warriors.. hes fooling himself mutant children are going to have to learn how to be solders, because of how hated they are... the last school ended cause people kept killing off the students... if you cuddle the kids & Force them to be children your only weakening them for the dark future that lye's ahead

Wolverine & Scott aren't so different but wolverine is morally worse. Wolverine kills ALL the time hes a flat out murderer hes no different from sabertooth or Dakken. he will kill at moments notice... the only difference is he has a soft side for kids & hes wolverine so no one accepts his faults. X force is a necessary evil in order to deal with specific & dire threats but if scott should be condemned for that so should logan

I agree ... but there's a danger room in the freaken bathroom from crissakes. Safe to say Logan ain't the hand holding type. He takes them on field trips to intergalactic gambling dives. (One of their next field trips will be in the Savage Land). Wolverine is not coddling these kids. He's treating them like kids, letting them be kids, while not raising them to be weak, disillusioned brats who do not know how to handle themselves. They train hard in the intelligent use of their powers daily and learn how to defend themselves. This is still Wolverine we're talking about here.

When he took out Kid Gladiator with a pressure point, after the Strontian had taken out half the Avengers, he chided him whilst doing so that he shoulda stayed in school. There is indeed combat training to be had.

He simply thinks (and rightly so) the majority of their time should be in a school, not a battlefield and / or military training regimen for mutants. He feels Scott lost sight of that. And that just because they're different, and yes, that they may face imminent danger from those who fear them, they should not be robbed of their right to be kids. Prepared kids, but kids all the same.

Wolverine is extremely different from Sabretooth and Daken. See what I wrote above to delineate the differences for starters. The fact you say he isn't tells me you don't know the character at all. Wolverine will kill soldiers trying to kill him. He will kill those that are evil and those that commit evil and those who he feels beyond redemption. So yes, he will play judge jury and executioner ... but Creed rapes, guts and murders without discretion men, women and children. Daken's morals are growing even less scrupulous of late.

Wolverine is nothing like Sabretooth and Daken in many, many ways. C'mon now.

not gonna lie, i think that cover with the iPhone and the psy-shotgun is pretty terrible, not liking it at all

I've been following this series from the very beginning, and i dont see any reasons to stop now. I just hoping more for bachalo art because i really like his unique style.

@Super_SoldierXII: yeah.. ok calling wolverine dakken & sabertooth is a bit of a stretch.. but over all he really does treat his claws as the answer for everything

I don't see how Kitty and Bobby fit perfectly unless he's going on the whole opposites attract, but he can't really keep them together without out changing either Bobby to uber serious or Kitty to a more immature character. It doesn't work for either character in my opinion.

what happened to black panther? R they still together, or R they now seperated?

@DATNIGGA said:

@Super_SoldierXII: yeah.. ok calling wolverine dakken & sabertooth is a bit of a stretch.. but over all he really does treat his claws as the answer for everything

When written like crap ... yes. When written in character not so much.

Eh, Logan and Storm have been smoochin' on and off since the Claremont days. This still could be the start of something more between them, but on it's own its nothing all that new.

Will my hope of seeing Wolverine and Storm a couple come true?!? Probably not, Marvel hasn't made me happy for decades.

Also, WTF with Mystique!?!?! Since when could she do that?

Just wanting to add something: I'd love to see Wolverine and Storm dating together (permanently). It's been so long since Wolverine haven't find a true lover (the one that doesn't get killed constantly!) I know Wolverine is extremely busy with teaching school, protecting the world and so much but he needs to step down and find some love. Seriously I would LOVE to see Wolverine and Storm together. I don't know if Storm is single at the moment or not (can anyone confirm this for me? Because I don't know if she still with Black Panther or not.) Just sayin'.

Until Wolverine and Storm are getting married, make Marvel mine!

Best X Book on the shelf

You had me at "callback to the Claremont/Byrne" story...anything about that glorious time of writing for the X-Men will get me interested...

@Twentyfive: That was a Storm from an alternate universe. That'll be a strange relationship

@Miss_Garrick said:

Also, WTF with Mystique!?!?! Since when could she do that?

She DID show hints of that kind of shapeshifting during her series. The ones I remember were growing extra arms and a face on the back of her head, shifting all her internal organs to different positions, and making herself flat and whispy to survive an explosion.

Not quite full-on tentacle arms like we see here, but moving in that direction.

Of course, with comics you can never rule out the possibility that it isn't actually Mystique at all.

@cavalierchen28 said:

how can Broo be on the cover of issue 25?

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does this mean he survived being headshot in the last issue?

yes

@Avenging-X-Bolt said:

Dang, looks like Mystique got an upgrade.

I long to see Mystique make her debut in Spider-Man's world more than anything else in this whole wide world.

@Smurfboy said:

Just wanting to add something: I'd love to see Wolverine and Storm dating together (permanently). It's been so long since Wolverine haven't find a true lover (the one that doesn't get killed constantly!) I know Wolverine is extremely busy with teaching school, protecting the world and so much but he needs to step down and find some love. Seriously I would LOVE to see Wolverine and Storm together. I don't know if Storm is single at the moment or not (can anyone confirm this for me? Because I don't know if she still with Black Panther or not.) Just sayin'.

Until Wolverine and Storm are getting married, make Marvel mine!

I've been wanting that since the mid 90's they sure as hell took their time making it happen plus i'd love to see black panthers face ha .

@TheCowman: I hope that's the explaination. One of the deals with Mystique is that she can look like other people, BUT does not have the level of shape shifting like Morph or Skrulls. Or did Marvel decide to ignore that fact in true Marvel tradition of retconing every few months. Like they are now with this MARVEL NOW?

@Miss_Garrick: Well, she mentions that shifting like that is harder to do and she can't hold it as long, but who knows. Mutants kinda get a free pass when it comes to power tweaks. Especially since the whole "secondary mutation" thing.

Also, I forgot to list her clothing as another example of shifting into non-person forms. I'm not sure how long it's been officially canon, but her clothing is actually all her. So there's that too.

It does look a little more... blobby than Mystique's usual transformations. More like something from Venom or Random.