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Why I Disagree With the Massive Outcry Over 'Ninja Turtles'

Gregg speaks his mind about the overwhelmingly negative response to every bit of news surrounding the upcoming film.

Hey there Viners, if you're part of our community, then you likely know I love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was born in 1985 and grew up with the cartoon and movies. From there, my love for the franchise lead me to the comics, and years later I now have the privilege of reviewing the new IDW series and even the TV show here on Comic Vine.

When news broke awhile ago about a new TMNT movie, it's no surprise that my excitement level shot through the roof. I wanted a return to the feel of the 1990 movie. Dark and emotional, yet still hilarious and fun. It was the perfect tone for the franchise, but then they announced the creative team behind it. Suddenly, I realize that's likely not the movie I'd get. Instead, I'd eventually get a movie where you need to shut off your brain and enjoy some popcorn entertainment. It'll likely be flashy, filled with stupid humor and tons of action. And you know what? I'm actually fine with that. Clearly, though, I'm part of the minority on this one. Every single time something breaks about this movie, a good 95% of the comments look like the following:

So news broke the other day that Megan Fox is in the movie. And over at Variety, they're saying she'll be April O'Neil (which seems rather obvious, no?). I get some people don't like her as an actress, and if you legitimately feel that way, then that's fine and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I confess, my knee-jerk reaction to this was disappointment. Moments later, though, I realized I was being ridiculous and I've seen some absurdly irrational reactions to this, too. "Fox will ruin this movie, Fox is the worst actress ever. SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE RED HAIR!" Really? Really? First and foremost, while she'll likely be a big part of the film, there's no way she's a selling point for the majority of us when it comes to a Turtles movie. Additionally, while an Oscar is certainly not in her future, I hardly think she's an atrocious actress. She's not great, but she's definitely far from the most cringe-worthy performer ever.

When it comes to acting chops, the role of April doesn't exactly require Meryl Streep and this is something I imagine Fox's capable of doing. I hardly see this as being a demanding role or the factor that will make or break this movie. If you don't like her, you don't like her, but thinking she alone will sink this ship is beyond silly to me. As for the red hair remarks. Seriously? Come on, man. I think they have it in their budget to dye her hair, don't you? And even if they don't, her being a brunette isn't a huge change that warrants flipping tables and smashing your keyboards.

Let's talk about the bit that generates the most discussion: Michael "Explosions Feed My Soul" Bay. Just like I said about Megan Fox, if you don't like his work, then ya don't like his work. That's fine, but I still see people saying they hate him as a director and he's going to destroy this. For the gazillionth time, he's not directing this movie -- he's producing it. Clearly, he has his hands in the creative process behind this film, but it's not just him. There's two writers, TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman, and director Jonathan Liebesman involved. If this movie does indeed suck, I see no reason why he's the one to receive all of the blame. But for now, they're claiming it'll have effects similar to Rise of the Planet of the Apes and The Raid: Redemption-esque fight scenes. I just pray the final product will be able to prove those statements true. Because if so, it would absolutely make up for a potentially lackluster plot and/or dialogue (for me, at least).

And then there's the leaked script -- something that made any TMNT fan's blood boil. If (and IF is the key word here) that's where they're truly going with this, then I must say I'll be very disappointed. I understand the movie has the right to make changes to the source material, but drastically changing everything just feels completely unnecessary and pointless. That said, Michael Bay has claimed the version of the script that leaked has seen "the shredder" (har har) and is nothing like what they're working with. I really hope he's being sincere with this, and there's no way we'll know until they let us see more information (likely via a teaser/trailer).

There's one other thing I'd like to address about the script: Aliens. Right when the producer (Bay) said they'd be aliens I felt the Earth tremble from all of the fans screaming (which is a totally rational reaction, by the way). The vague statement opened the flood gates to the endless possibilities of what this meant. Did they crash here on a ship? Is there a planet of "Turtles?" I hope not, but it's worth saying that the Turtles have always technically been part Alien. The ooze that mutated them from TCRI? Yeah, made by the Utroms -- aliens (insert meme here). So while they're part Turtles from Earth, they're also part alien space goop. Part of me believes Bay was foolish with his choice words and that's what he meant to imply. However, if they're from a planet full of dudes and dudettes who look like mutated Turtles, then I'll let out a sigh that could create an avalanche because they'd no longer technically be mutants, and that's an unnecessary change. But in the meantime, there's nothing to say for certain that's the case.

Every time a piece of news comes out about this movie the internet blows up. I get it, a huge chunk of us grew up with this franchise and hold it close to our hearts, but where is this kind of passion whenever there's a piece about the show or comic? The IDW comics have been brilliant thus far and the Nick show is hugely entertaining, yet discussion in those articles feel like being in an abandoned desert town compared to anything and everything regarding the movies. If you really love the franchise, show it by supporting it. Go purchase the comics (they're always re-releasing the old Mirage stuff, too) or check out the show on Nick (airs Friday nights). Seriously, go prove you're actually passionate about the franchise and give those a shot. To top it off, ComiXology even currently has a sale for TMNT comics! You can't beat $0.99 for those issues.

Now, I'm not saying the movie will be good, but what I am saying is the responses I've witnessed thus far have been hilarious overreactions. When the time comes, if you're that offended by the trailers we'll see, then just don't see the movie. Seeing the movie and then coming back to complain on the internet isn't you getting the last laugh. No, it's your money in the pockets of the people you allegedly loathe. So, when we finally get to witness a trailer and if you still feel the same way, then do yourself a favor and just don't see it. It's that simple. Your childhood won't be destroyed and do you want to know why? You still have those memories planted firmly in your head and those cherished events still happened. Hell, you can even go re-watch those cartoons and movies or read the older comics. There's no reason for you to even acknowledge this film when it comes out if you really don't want to. Me, though? I'm going to do my best to keep an open mind until we get the facts about the story and get a trailer.

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. This is the part where he shamelessly plugs his Twitter page in hopes of getting a new follower or two.

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Posted by Transit3

Great article Gregg. Hope to see more like it.

Posted by shackle

@DarklyDreamingDeadpool said:

rape the carebears??!!!!

Whenever "raping" becomes synonymous with "doing something I don't approve of", you need to re-evaluate the importance you place on inconsequential things, as well as your choice of metaphors.

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@ThreadPool said:

Oh really? I bet you 100 internets that the 2007 TMNT will be the better movie when this is all said and done. I will bookmark this page, and I'll be looking for my payment shortly after this, almost certain, travesty is realeased.

This bet seems to imply I said the movie will be good -- and that never happened.

@mksystem74: @Vance Astro: @ckuakini: @YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: @jaydee98: @Transit3: Thanks!

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@DH69 said:

@Decoy Elite: wtf you guys got badges? I paid $1000, and got a punch in the stomach.

That's what Raphael calls a badge...

As for the fans over reacting, I don't think that's fully the case. The points you made are all well merited, but together they still bode ill for the project.

First: Bay not directing. Yes that does mean that we can't instantly assume the directing will be the same as his films. However he is producing and as such is picking the director and the screen writers and everything after that he feels important enough to handle himself. Meaning that tho the movie won't have his directing, it will have the directing of someone that Bay likes. If you can't find anything to agree with in regards to how Bay directs, you can't go in with much confidence that a director he likes will be much better. If Bay publicly stated that he didn't think he directed well and that he never liked any of his own movies, then one could foster hope that he might pick a director drastically different than himself. But with his general attitude of "I'm a genius and everything I do is genius by proxy" it's safe to assume that he will pick someone who will stick very closely to his style.

Second: Bay's statement about them being aliens. If it had only been his statement, I'd be willing to accept that it was him misspeaking, like he said it was when he later addressed it. Sure, he could have meant that the catalyst in their origin was alien and he was just associating it too far. However, once that script came out portraying them completely as aliens, it felt like his original statement was being completely direct. Also, when he originally said they were aliens, he said he was making them all new like they had never been. If his alien remark was referring to the ooze, then it wouldn't be anything new as that was always the case.

Here's how I think it went down. He had this new idea and, thinking it was his usual genius, excitedly shared it with everyone. Then when the uproar occurred he realized that it was something he would never be able to go with and the concept was scrapped entirely. This is supported by how he initially addressed the fan uproar. If that script had really been scrapped long ago, then once people started getting angry he could have quelled them right away by tweeting "Sorry, I mean the ooze was from aliens". Instead, he came off as bitter and indignant by immediately stating "Fanboys need to calm down". I think it makes a lot of sense to assume that this statement was made when he was still angry that he wouldn't get to use his new "genius" idea. He was biding time while he tried to decide how much he could keep and how much he would have to get rid of. Then, by the time he made his clarifying statement, he had scrapped the old idea and taken the old approach to try and quell the fan venom. But none of that changes the fact that he originally wanted them to be aliens and he wasn't ready to change that until the total refusal on part of the fans. I'm sure that if only a blog or two had complained, then the original script would have gone under a few fine-tuning re-writes and it would have been released very similar to it's original idea.

Third: Megan Fox being included. No the worst acting by any one actress would not destroy this movie. I think the reason we are allowed to be upset by her inclusion because it only further enforces the fears that this movie will be par for the course amongst Bay's films. If he is casting her, after already working with her, he is surely expecting something similar from her as she has already delivered. And if you haven't liked anything he has delivered thus far, it doesn't allow for much hope or promise that you will like this one either. It makes it clear that he isn't changing the formula or stepping out of his comfort zone and because of that, audiences can't expect anything considerably different than his Transformers films.

Also, on your comment on it turning out to be "popcorn entertainment" I feel that is a somewhat dangerous attitude for any audience to have. One of the things that has often held comics back in the minds of outsiders has been the attitude of "well it's something silly and unrealistic, so you can't expect any depth from it" All stories can be written to be deep, well structured and enlightening within it's own message. Picking less than stellar writers, or casting less than stellar performers because you don't think the project merits that kind of attention is basically like saying you are doing it just to turn your initial profit. It is these attitudes from producers that allowed the slew of reality TV shows to spring up, and the same attitude from the audiences that allowed them to thrive. When people stop holding movies, TV and comics up to the standard of art, it lowers the bar of what is acceptable and we get farther and farther off from a Super hero Renaissance. In short, a bad screenwriter that no one has ever heard from charges just as much as an equally unknown good writer. Further, there are thousands of terrific actresses that no one has ever heard of that would do a far better job than Fox would, thus the only reason for casting Fox is her name and little more.

Lastly, let me just comment on your last point of how the fans are more vociferous when the bad news comes out. Well, this is certainly true, but it is also part of human nature. As humans, we have been conditioned to focus more readily on things that displease us as a mode of survival. The bad things need our attention more so we can avoid them, change them or eliminate them. Like wise, most the good things require little attention because they aren't going anywhere and will stay being nice without our attention. Take the news for example. Every news show is filled with the most horrible stories you could imagine, simply because it's the things that people need to watch out for. That's not to say that good things aren't happening and that people aren't enjoying said good things, it's just saying that people are more apt to expunge their energy to change the things they don't like and accept the things they do rather than the other way around.

That's not to say it's how we should be, just to explain why we are. It's good that we try our best to change things we find flawed or even dangerous, but sadly it can end up with us taking the good things forgranted. In this case, I think it helped us as I'm sure Bay would have stayed the course on his alien idea had it not been for the fan outcry. However i strongly agree with you that fans need to realize this nature of man and his attention, and then keep it in check and remind themselves to praise and enjoy the things they do like with equal energy.

I for one am now a die hard fan of the Nickelodeon series and take every opportunity I can to insist that my friends (online or irl) to watch it and give it a try. Yet, I am still disappointed that I have very little prospects of enjoying the same characters on the big screen anytime soon.

Posted by McHotcakes

Why I disagree with your disagreement. This is being brought to us by the same guy who had Bumblebee pee on a man and gave devastator a visible pair of testicles.

He doesn't just make bad movies of classic cartoon characters he has absolutely no respect for the source material and treats it like a joke, a bad lowest common denominator joke at that.

But it isn't the explosions, the objectification of women, or the lack of regard for the source material that bothers me the most about him.

Its just his attitude. He is immature and juvenile and his movies feel like they were written by D student middle schoolers. I know he might only be the producer but there is no doubt his grade school influence will seep through.

Posted by GR2Blackout

Well, let's do the math here. The first draft (or at least an early draft) of it sucked. That doesn't mean the finished thing is going to suck, but it's still not a good sign. Megan Fox is in it. Megan Fox sucks. Maybe she can redeem herself in this movie, but you never know, do ya? The new TMNT cartoon sucks. Not a good sign either. And Michael Bay's attached to it. I know he's only the producer, but still, people don't exactly rejoice when they see Michael Bay's involved with a movie based off of something they've loved since childhood. Plus, the era of comic book movies is coming to an end. Sure, there's a crap load of stuff coming out that everyone (even me) is excited, but how do we know must of it isn't going to be cancelled or something? Don't mean to sound like a jerk or a downer or anything, but it's still possible. Add up all the bad signs and it doesn't look good. But I still have hope that it'll be good. I still have hope.... (ending posts with "..." is fun...)

Posted by TheBlackestNight

Yeah no hope for this and it isn't because of fox even though shes a horrible actor but ninja turtles will never be what it once was soo i don't see why anyone would be soo mad about fox being in a soon to be bad movie

Edited by FadeToBlackBolt

Much like with Transformers, people seem to think that TMNT is some kind of groundbreaking literary innovation that paved the way for the artistic expression of a decade.

This is, of course, totally wrong. Not to say that Transformers and TMNT can't offer some superb stories and quite frankly brilliant pieces of writing (Beast Wars being a prime example, and the new Turtles IDW series is terrific), but for the most part, the franchises are easy popcorn entertainment. It's not like Watchmen, where Megan Fox being cast as Ozymandias would ruin the entire movie, she's not playing a character of infinite intricacies in April. She's playing a reporter who hangs out with a bunch of huge turtles who use ninja weapons.

Honestly, people are reacting way too harshly to a young woman that has shown a lot more passion and respect for the comic book medium than most in her line of work, simply because she's not an Oscar Winner.

Would you prefer Sean Penn as April O'Neil?

Posted by JamDamage

Bay hasn't done me wrong yet. His horror movies are exactly what I expected them to be and nothing less. The Transformers movies, even tho people like to bitch and complain about them, in my opinion have been excellent. I just love the hell out out of them, and obviously a lot of people agree because they keep making FU*K YOU Money. Meggen Fox might not be the greatest actress, but she sure isn't worst, and she is super hot and that works for me right there. As for red hair? Who cares if she dyes it or not. The broad from the 1st Turtles movies was butt ass ugly. No wonder I don't know her name and never saw her in anything else other then the 1st turtle movie. As for this movie, even with the changes, I doubt it'll be worse then any other turtle movie after the 1st one. The sequels that followed and the animated feature were just garbage so quit crying. Be happy there is even the slightest market for the turtles to make a comeback. For a 3rd time now.

Posted by leokearon

No characterization, Military Porn, Disrepectful to source Material, a constant liar, All effects and no plot, toilet humour, actresses who are picked for looks not talent and doesn't even focus on the titliar characters. This is what Michael Bay and his movies are all about.

Posted by Lvenger

It's good on you that you come out with a counter point to the outburst and that someone has another opinion on this but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you Gregg. Bay's awful directing and shoddy choice of actors led to the downfall of Transformers amongst the poor script. He's even had to apologise to Transformers fans for ruining the franchise. Why Hollywood still gives the guy a job I don't know. A lot of the flack sent Bay's way via the Internet is greatly justified as he is responsible for destroying a childhood dream to many fans and now the TMNT stand to suffer the same fate. And you know I put my money where my mouth is thanks to you recommending me IDW's TMNT series.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@Lvenger said:

It's good on you that you come out with a counter point to the outburst and that someone has another opinion on this but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you Gregg. Bay's awful directing and shoddy choice of actors led to the downfall of Transformers amongst the poor script. He's even had to apologise to Transformers fans for ruining the franchise. Why Hollywood still gives the guy a job I don't know. A lot of the flack sent Bay's way via the Internet is greatly justified as he is responsible for destroying a childhood dream to many fans and now the TMNT stand to suffer the same fate. And you know I put my money where my mouth is thanks to you recommending me IDW's TMNT series.

I really think that saying he destroyed the Transformers is a bit harsh. Without the Bay films renewing interest in the franchise, we wouldn't have gotten Transformers: Prime.

And the first movie and Dark of the Moon are both good. Not masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination, but good sci-fi action movies.

The second movie deserves all the hate it gets though.

Posted by velvetmeds

There is simply no way that Fox can make it as April. No bloody way. Impossible. And i don't even "hate" her, yet i have no trouble admitting that. The movie will suck, no doubt about that.

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While April O'Neil doesn't need a "Meryl Streep" the character deserves a better actress then Megan Fox. Bay might not be directing the guy in the directors chair doesn't have a great track record. You are right though this won't ruin my childhood one terrible movie won't ruin my love for the turtles. I haven't read all the reactions to this film but can you blame anyone after what Bay did with the Transformers franchise? If it turns out great that's awesome until then its hard not to stay skeptical everything that's been leaked points to disastrous, hopefully they prove us wrong. If the trailer looks good and I hear good things I'm willing to go see it. Hell maybe TF 4 will turn out great and change my opinion of Bay because TF3 was one of the most unbearable movies I've ever seen. As movie goers we should expect more from these movies. With all the great comic book adaptations over the last few years like Kick-Ass, Hell-Boy, Dredd, and the Marvel films we've come to expect more from Hollywood. Were tired of seeing them bring back beloved franchise only to squander all the potential with dick and fart jokes.

Posted by maxicere

@Decoy Elite said:

In all seriousness I agree that it's too early to judge.

Yes!!!!! I Agree too

Posted by SavageDragon

@guidoworsley:I liked the first Transformers movie. I thought that was a good film. Bad Boys 2 was also awesome and that was Bay (Not by his current studio I know). He might make a bad film, but it wont destroy the Turtles.

Posted by Lvenger

@FadeToBlackBolt: It's quite ironic hearing the word harsh come from you if I'm honest. But a fair point. I'll give Bay until the first teaser trailer to prove himself.

Posted by FadeToBlackBolt

@Lvenger: I understand that lol

I'm far more lenient on films than comics, because films are an interpretation and an adaptation. And if a film makes money, then OK, we might get 2-3 more of that franchise. Like 6 hours spread over 4 years or something. Whereas when a terrible comic makes money, we're going to be stuck with the character-destroying garbage for like 25 more issues.

Posted by DarklyDreamingDeadpool

@shackle:

Posted by laflux

I agree with the premise of your thread. While I'm not holding my breath, I still believe it is way to early to pass judgment on how this film is going to turn out. IMO, if it is around the quality of around Transformers 1, I won't be disappointed.

But as for negativity concerning comic related issues, I'm afraid it is commonplace on the internet. When I first got into comics, for a while I was most fully aware of maligned comicbook writers and their worst work, because that's who people who go on about. I think there is a culture which equates cynicism and negativity with wisdom, while optimism is equated with naivety.

Anyway that's enough internet sociology for one post. Another interesting and amusing thread :-)

Posted by Mokey

The right way to relaunch/reboot TMNT: IDW

The wrong way to relaunch/reboot TMNT: Michael Bay

Posted by bloggerboy

@Mbecks14 said:

World's Greatest Actress she is not but she's not offensive to watch both visually and performance wise.

The chick is hot. That's it. She couldn't deliver a single convincing line in Transformers. She sucked in the sequel, she sucked in Jonah Hex, she sucked in Jennifer's Body.

Imo Megan should just concentrate on being a mom and leave the acting business. She could model, that's clearly her strong suite.

Posted by Red_Robin212

Bay my not be directing, But look who is (At this time)

Jonathan Liebesman

Who brought us such "classics" as

  • TCM: The Beginning
  • Darkness Falls
  • Wrath Of The Titans
  • Battle: Los Angeles

I'm all for the wait and see approach and I'll be the first to say "I was wrong", but so far it's not looking good

Posted by ThreadPool

@k4tzm4n: No, the bet is predicated upon the outcry being unwarranted. If the movie is crap, it's justified. If it isn't then the outcry is unwarranted and I will pay you your 100 internets. Based on his track record we have reason to be wary. And yes, I understand that he is the producer and not the director but he is the mouthpiece. If Bay didn't have the appearance of being so hands on I wouldn't be nearly as apprehensive. I really hope I'm wrong, but I am not optimistic.

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@ThreadPool said:

@k4tzm4n: No, the bet is predicated upon the outcry being unwarranted. If the movie is crap, it's justified. If it isn't then the outcry is unwarranted and I will pay you your 100 internets. Based on his track record we have reason to be wary. And yes, I understand that he is the producer and not the director but he is the mouthpiece. If Bay didn't have the appearance of being so hands on I wouldn't be nearly as apprehensive. I really hope I'm wrong, but I am not optimistic.

Concern and worry is warranted and perfectly natural -- when expressed in a reasonable manner, of course. Thinking it'll "destroy your childhood" or "be the worst thing ever" isn't reasonable at all. That's the crowd I'm addressing. I don't expect to change people's opinions about Bay or Fox, but I do aim to hopefully help them realize it's hilariously absurd to be so upset about this, especially when there's currently great TMNT products they're apparently missing out on.

I reject your bet, sir. KEEP YOUR INTERNETS.

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Posted by comicfan123

"...When the time comes, if you're that offended by the trailers we'll see, then just don't see the movie. Seeing the movie and then coming back to complain on the internet isn't you getting the last laugh. No, it's your money in the pockets of the people you allegedly loathe. So, when we finally get to witness a trailer and if you still feel the same way, then do yourself a favor and just don't see it. It's that simple. Your childhood won't be destroyed and do you want to know why? You still have those memories planted firmly in your head and those cherished events still happened. Hell, you can even go re-watch those cartoons and movies or read the older comics. There's no reason for you to even acknowledge this film when it comes out if you really don't want to. Me, though? I'm going to do my best to keep an open mind until we get the facts about the story and get a trailer."

Mr. Katzman, thank you. THANK YOU. EACH and EVERY single person on the Internet on each and every single entertainment website should read this paragraph. Each and every. Last. One.

Posted by sesquipedalophobe

Ninja Turtles weren't that great to begin with.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@Mokey said:

The right way to relaunch/reboot TMNT: IDW

The wrong way to relaunch/reboot TMNT: Michael Bay

Kevin Eastman is working on the IDW stuff with Tom Waltz. This is what he had to say about the film:

"I talked to [producer] Scott Mednick yesterday, and he’s seen the most recent 50 [script] pages and said it’s as good as the last version — they’ve really knocked it out of the park. I’ve seen a chunk of it, and it’s going to be a great movie, despite what everybody thinks.”

Let's hope he's sincere and not being blinded by some studio cash, though ;)

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Posted by k4tzm4n

@comicfan123 said:

"...When the time comes, if you're that offended by the trailers we'll see, then just don't see the movie. Seeing the movie and then coming back to complain on the internet isn't you getting the last laugh. No, it's your money in the pockets of the people you allegedly loathe. So, when we finally get to witness a trailer and if you still feel the same way, then do yourself a favor and just don't see it. It's that simple. Your childhood won't be destroyed and do you want to know why? You still have those memories planted firmly in your head and those cherished events still happened. Hell, you can even go re-watch those cartoons and movies or read the older comics. There's no reason for you to even acknowledge this film when it comes out if you really don't want to. Me, though? I'm going to do my best to keep an open mind until we get the facts about the story and get a trailer."

Mr. Katzman, thank you. THANK YOU. EACH and EVERY single person on the Internet on each and every single entertainment website should read this paragraph. Each and every. Last. One.

You're very welcome :)

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Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Posted by k4tzm4n

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Yup, that's the exact synopsis on the IMDB page. :P

Speaking of the IMDB page, I know we need to take the information on that with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it pretty much confirms they're not from space:

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.
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Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Yup, that's the exact synopsis on the IMDB page. :P

Speaking of the IMDB page, I know we need to take the information on that with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it pretty much confirms they're not from space:

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.

I know we should all keep an open mind about this movie, but really, if that synopsis is true, how the hell could this movie be any good at all? Shouldn't a reboot of the Ninja Turtles focus on the Foot and Shredder?..or, y'know...an actual Ninja Turtles villain?

Posted by k4tzm4n

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Yup, that's the exact synopsis on the IMDB page. :P

Speaking of the IMDB page, I know we need to take the information on that with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it pretty much confirms they're not from space:

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.

I know we should all keep an open mind about this movie, but really, if that synopsis is true, how the hell could this movie be any good at all? Shouldn't a reboot of the Ninja Turtles focus on the Foot and Shredder?..or, y'know...an actual Ninja Turtles villain?

Eh, Shredder doesn't necessarily need to be the main focus. After all, he was only in the first issue of the Miarge comic before dying and then they began to focus on aliens. Besides, we haven't seen Krang/Utroms in the movies, so it would be nice to see something new on the big screen from the franchise -- and I think it's safe to assume that's the aliens they'd use.

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Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Yup, that's the exact synopsis on the IMDB page. :P

Speaking of the IMDB page, I know we need to take the information on that with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it pretty much confirms they're not from space:

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.

I know we should all keep an open mind about this movie, but really, if that synopsis is true, how the hell could this movie be any good at all? Shouldn't a reboot of the Ninja Turtles focus on the Foot and Shredder?..or, y'know...an actual Ninja Turtles villain?

Eh, Shredder doesn't necessarily need to be the main focus. After all, he was only in the first issue of the Miarge comic before dying and then they began to focus on aliens. Besides, we haven't seen Krang/Utroms in the movies, so it would be nice to see something new on the big screen from the franchise -- and I think it's safe to assume that's the aliens they'd use.

I would love to see Krang. All I can say is I pray that this movie will be awesome. It has a lot to beat if it wants to be better than the original Turtles movie. That damn movie is probably the best comic book movie ever made, and the most underrated, IMO.

Posted by ThreadPool

@k4tzm4n: Hahaha! Fair enough. You're completely right about some people taking too far. "... raping my childhood!! Blah, blah, blah..." I just don't want it to suck.

Posted by Agent_Prince

Only 2 words confirm this movie will never be any good ever: Michael Bay.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@ThreadPool said:

@k4tzm4n: Hahaha! Fair enough. You're completely right about some people taking too far. "... raping my childhood!! Blah, blah, blah..." I just don't want it to suck.

Same here, man... same here.

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Posted by djetter0801

Megan Fox as April? Well, it does give the same feelings I had once Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker, but I don't think that the fan reaction will be the same for Fox as it was for Ledger after the movie is made.

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@BiteMe-Fanboy said:

So is Megan Fox going to play the popular kid (April O'Neal) that dates the jock, and Casey Jones is going to be the loser misfit kid that the jocks make fun of all the time?

Yup, that's the exact synopsis on the IMDB page. :P

Speaking of the IMDB page, I know we need to take the information on that with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it pretty much confirms they're not from space:

Aliens invade Earth and inadvertently spawn a quartet of mutated reptile warriors, the Ninja Turtles, who rise up against them to defend the world.

I know we should all keep an open mind about this movie, but really, if that synopsis is true, how the hell could this movie be any good at all? Shouldn't a reboot of the Ninja Turtles focus on the Foot and Shredder?..or, y'know...an actual Ninja Turtles villain?

Eh, Shredder doesn't necessarily need to be the main focus. After all, he was only in the first issue of the Miarge comic before dying and then they began to focus on aliens. Besides, we haven't seen Krang/Utroms in the movies, so it would be nice to see something new on the big screen from the franchise -- and I think it's safe to assume that's the aliens they'd use.

That would be awesome if they did the same thing in the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Nick show and made the Krang an entire alien race, and they invaded Earth, spilled some of the toxic wastes, and created the Turtles.

And yeah I could see the logic in that. All of the TMNT movies pretty much focused on Shredder only. It'd be nice to see something fresh associated with the Turtles.

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Posted by munkieKONG

bottom line is..... there's nothing to be done until the movie comes out. Either it's good or it's not. And we'll just have to respond accordingly. And Bay will make money regardless. And laugh.

Posted by AmazingWebHead

You say it like this is the only time other fans have made such an overreaction.

Posted by ghostsuck

@k4tzm4n: you're sellout

Edited by k4tzm4n

@ghostsuck said:

@k4tzm4n: you're sellout

Trying to keep an open mind about a movie until we get cement details on the story or at least see a trailer makes me a "sellout?"

Sure thing, whatever you say.

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Posted by Walzo

@ghostsuck said:

@k4tzm4n: you're sellout

That's a stupid comment.

Posted by Xanni15

@k4tzm4n: I agree with you completely on your article, but I'm curious why you think Bay chose Fox?

Posted by ghostsuck

@k4tzm4n: Keep open mind? It's Michael Bay, We talking about He will make terrible movie. I bet you rolling in Michael Bay and comicvine moneys for your fake sellout opinions

Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

@ghostsuck said:

@k4tzm4n: Keep open mind? It's Michael Bay, We talking about He will make terrible movie. I bet you rolling in Michael Bay and comicvine moneys for your fake sellout opinions

Well to be honest that's half the audience' fault as well. Sure, the Transformer movies have lackluster plots and what not, but after the first Transformers movie, the viewers should have known Bay only made popcorn/turn off brain and watch the fun action type of movies. Everyone bashed at how the acting sucked, story was horrid, and other complaints when they already knew it was going to happen again with the first movie.

And how is he a sell-out if everyone else pretty much has the opposite opinion? If he was a sell-out he would have gave in to everyone ranting about Michael Bay and ignored his own opinions/personal feelings.

Literally, the only thing released about the movie so far is that it will be titled "Ninja Turtles", it will be released in December 2013, it stars Megan Fox (possibly as April), and has some alien component to it. Sure, the movie doesn't sound spectacular, but it isn't a Catwoman by any means. And why the heck would Michael Bay give him money? It just doesn't make any sense.

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Posted by k4tzm4n

@ghostsuck said:

@k4tzm4n: Keep open mind? It's Michael Bay, We talking about He will make terrible movie. I bet you rolling in Michael Bay and comicvine moneys for your fake sellout opinions

See, usually I could just laugh at a comment like this and move on, but for some reason beyond any me, I feel inclined to reply.

  1. You're so right. Haven't you heard? Being a freelance writer for a comic book website has made me crazy rich! I don't even know what to do with all of this money! Usually I go fishing off my Yacht with 100 dollar bills just to get rid of some of it. Or, I can barely afford to buy the comics I need to read every single week. Either/Or.
  2. Me and Michael Bay are obviously super tight because I think some of his movies are enjoyable (Transformers, TF3, Bad Boys 2). God forbid I think that, right? I must be getting paid millions under the table to think something so crazy!
  3. I'm all for having an open discussion with someone that has a differing opinion, but I'm not going to bother with another reply if it's in the same vein as your other 2 posts.

@Xanni15 said:

@k4tzm4n: I agree with you completely on your article, but I'm curious why you think Bay chose Fox?

Well, it's safe to say whatever drama was between them they're keeping in the past. As for why, I have no idea, man.

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Posted by ghostsuck

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: ALL I Saying Comicvine Staff are like IGN Staff both share biased opinion

Posted by Walzo

@ghostsuck:

So all of a sudden K4 loves Michael Bay? You're talking nonsense, what bias is visible?

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