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Why Diversity in Comics is Much More Important Than You Think

It's not just about us. It's about future generations as well.

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The comic book industry has changed a lot with the past generation. Whether it's the comic book movies bringing fans to the theaters in droves, the animated series captivating kids, or the toys in every store screaming to be played with, this industry is growing in a much different way. People from all walks of life are jumping onto comic books. According to our analytics, 45% of the folks that visit Comic Vine are female. Moreso, people from different cultures and races are also coming into comics at a larger rate. The stereotype of only white, nerdy males read comics is slowly fading away because comic book heroes and villains have invaded American culture, along with the rest of the world.

However, characters within comics aren't changing as quickly. There's a plethora of reasons why the change in comics isn't happening as fast as the readership is, but what people need to realize is that having more diverse characters within comic books is much more important than reflecting those who read the books.

I was in a comic book store, over the weekend. There was a kid (let's call him "Ted") about the age of 10 looking for comics and needed some suggestions. The guy behind the counter asked me to help out, and I showed "Ted" some various books. He said he liked Spider-Man, but trade-wise, all the store had was SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN, which, in my opinion, is way too heavy for someone that age, so I showed him ULTIMATE COMICS SPIDER-MAN. I told him it was a really cool book because Peter Parker was no longer Spider-Man and this new Spider-Man was really close to his age. He flipped through and saw Spider-Man, in a black suit, kicking some bad guy butt, and he told me it looked really cool. He then flipped to a page where he saw Miles Morales and started laughing. I asked him why he was laughing and he said "he's black."

Now, "Ted" is a good kid. I know his mother, who is incredibly nice, caring and completely normal, but it seems like he's been in an environment, at some point, where some closed-minded folks have put thoughts in his head. He's young and impressionable, so I told him about how cool I thought Miles Morales is and that I actually like him more than Peter Parker, which is all true. Then, another customer chimed in and said he thought Miles was a really cool character and skin color doesn't matter. The guy behind the counter did as well. All-in-all, it turned into a cool moment, and "Ted" ended up excited and bought the book.

People aren't born with prejudice. A baby's first words aren't words of hate. They're usually just words they are familiar with because their parents or someone else around them said them. Hate is taught, and I'm pretty sure almost everyone reading this will agree. There's no better way to stop hate than to educate a whole new generation of readers. How do you do this? By showing people from different walks of life. It's the whole idea of showing readers that people from different cultures and races may seem different from them, but at the end of the day, we're all pretty much the same. That seems silly, but it's a lesson that could be important for the upcoming generation.

From G. Willow Wilson & Adrian Alphona's MS. MARVEL
From G. Willow Wilson & Adrian Alphona's MS. MARVEL

Within comics, there are books doing this. At Marvel, MILES MORALES: THE ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, YOUNG AVENGERS, and MS. MARVEL are leading the way. MILES MORALES does a fantastic job at giving readers someone to relate to, even if their skin color is different. YOUNG AVENGERS shows readers that it doesn't matter if you love the same sex or the opposite sex. MS. MARVEL does an amazing job at giving readers insight into what home-life is like in an Islamic family. DC does a fine job at providing strong, well-written female characters like Wonder Woman, Batwoman, and Batgirl, among others. They also have a long list of characters from different cultures that could easily drive their own books, such as Blue Beetle, Cyborg, and Steel.

The point of all of this isn't to make diverse characters for the sake of diverse characters. It's about never having a kid laugh or judge a character in a book because that character isn't the default, which is a white, heterosexual male. Sure, it's true that the majority of readers are white males, but as an industry, making baby steps away from that could be a start.

With any large problem, there is no easy answer though. It's not as simple as editorial shouting "we need more diverse characters" and everything magically falling into place. However, it feels like both Marvel and DC are in a transitional phase to move closer to much more diverse worlds. This is a good start, but another part of this problem is will fans accept this?

New 52 Wally West
New 52 Wally West

In recent months, there's been quite a lot of controversy over characters changing over at DC. Since it's the New 52 and this is a whole new world, creators and editors can take liberties with some characters because they've never been introduced before. The biggest one, in recent, was changing Wally West from white to black. Wally West fans are outraged because it wasn't the character they knew and loved pre-New 52. In addition, there were some personality changes as well, but it's still really early to say the character was ruined or anything over-dramatic like that. This is a subject we've talked to death on the Comic Vine podcast in recent weeks, and most discussions end with me not understanding why fans are upset. Without getting heavily into this whole debate, over changing characters versus creating new ones, it's important to remember that as long as the characters are written well and are compelling on the page, then we should all just enjoy what's presented, and if we don't, then don't buy it.

Creating a more diverse world for comic book characters to live in is not just important because the growing market contains more than just white, heterosexual males reading and these new fans may want characters that reflect them. It's important to educate a whole new generation of readers to show them that it doesn't matter where you're from, what you look like, or who you love, every different type of person on this planet is still a person. In essence, we're all the same. We're all comic book readers and comic books are and should be for everyone.

Mat "Inferiorego" Elfring writes and podcasts on Comic Vine, tweets about comics and wrestling, and sings "What's Up" by 4 Non-Blondes way too much for a man in his 30s.

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@dernman: kinda tough to watch since the audio is pretty rough

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@inferiorego: With the accents was hard for me at first but I got use to it. Only missed a few words here and there but I was able to piece it together. I was surprised I finished it. Usually I don't have the patience to finish interviews that long.

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There seems to be primarily two opinions when it comes to diversifying existing characters...those against it (which has nothing to do with hate) and those completely in support of it.

Even if you disagree with the former, I don't see how people fail to understand why it is a valid point or why people would be upset when a character with a large fan base was changed only to appease people and sell more books.

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@batwatch: They are either saving them, or (and this is very possible) they recently lost the licensing rights to Milestone.

Batwoman dose not tie into ANY of the Batman books, and Vibe was the best example of showing off a new character. Marvel can make new characters without any prior appearances and have them catch on. This shows that DC clearly needs their own approach to increasing diversity.

The New 52 helped me, and many other new readers start reading comics, Marvel Now has not helped. Also, if your not even reading any New 52, then why should you care about Wally if he's not in any books your reading?

It is impossible, but at the same time it's fairly obvious.

I'm a bit confused by many of your comments.

"It is impossible, but at the same time it's fairly obvious." I have no idea what you mean by this.

"The New 52 helped me, and many other new readers start reading comics, Marvel Now has not helped." I'm glad the New 52 helped you find comics, but from the studies I've heard from researchers, the New 52 didn't bring in a lot of new readers. Marvel lost a little market share during the first year of the New 52. Since then, they've regained much of the ground they've lost to DC. Perhaps the New 52 has been more beneficial, (I'm not admitting that point but rather admitting I haven't dove deeply enough into the numbers to state definitively one way or another) but Marvel Now definitely gave Marvel a boost, so it's provably wrong to say it didn't help.

"Also, if your not even reading any New 52, then why should you care about Wally if he's not in any books your reading?" This is such a strange question. First, I am not currently on the battlefront, but I still care about conflicts in the Middle East. Since when do you have to be impacted first hand from something to have an interest and opinion? Second, I know Wally West from his previous incarnations, and like any other fan, I'm interested in seeing how DC handles him. Third, I don't much care about his change of race as I'm assuming you were implying. I find it kind of lazy and PC on DC's part, and I generally don't like the reboot, but it's the heart of the character that is important; the skin is just window dressing, so as long as they are leaving Wally's personality intact, (which they may not be doing according to some reports) I don't much care what race he is except in how it relates to political correctness and lazy writing.

"Batwoman dose not tie into ANY of the Batman books, and Vibe was the best example of showing off a new character. Marvel can make new characters without any prior appearances and have them catch on. This shows that DC clearly needs their own approach to increasing diversity."

Batwoman might stand a lone these days, but she didn't when the character was introduced and developed a following. My whole point with comparing Batwoman to Vibe was the slow launch vs the quick launch. Batwoman was introduced, played a major role and was well received in the very popular 52 series way back in 2006. After 52 concluded, she was a background character for some time until Bruce died in Final Crisis at which point Kate took over Detective Comics for an entire year. This was a natural and gradual way of introducing her to the comic community and letting her develop some demand. By the time the New 52 arrived five years later, fans had been demanding a Kate Kane series for at least a year. Compare that to Vibe's launch where DC took a character who had about ten scattered appearances in the past ten years and suddenly says, "Vibe is the next big character from DC! Check him out in his own series and Justice League of America where he will be one face among a dozen more established heroes! You will love him! You will!" Giving Vibe his own series with this little demand makes about as much sense as giving Shrapnel his own ongoing, and if you don't know who he is, that proves my point.

"They are either saving them, or (and this is very possible) they recently lost the licensing rights to Milestone." What makes you think they lost rights to MIlestone. If so, it seems like that would be a big story.

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While I am against the race changes to characters such as Wally, it's less to do with the race and more to do with my anger with the New 52 reboot in general.

I don't however understand why people have issues with Miles Morales, or the new Ms. Marvel, who if the other posters on this thread are correct, is named Kamala. From reading posts on this thread, it seems the main argument against Miles is that the writers and/or editors at Marvel purposefully killed Peter, who readers were invested in, just to put a person of color in the spandex. I however, see the situation differently. It appears to me that the reason Peter died was to further show how ever since Ultimatum, any character could die at any time in the Ultimate universe. And then once they had that all planned out, they realized they still needed a Spider-Man, so they decided to create a legacy hero, and decided it would be better if he wasn't just another white kid. Similarly, it seems the only problem people here have with Kamala, is that they liked Carol Danvers under the Ms. Marvel moniker. Someone said that Carol was promoted to Captain Marvel to make this title available for Kamala. However, renaming Carol Captain Marvel seemed like a logical move to me. She had been a mainstay in the Marvel Universe for a long time and had earned the title, not to mention, how being an officer in the military, and if I'm not mistaken, something even higher ranking than Captain, the title "Miss" was a little demeaning in this day and age. I seem to remember one user, arguing when this was pointed out to them, that because they did that, it acknowledged that she had been disrespected this long. Well I see that as similar to a situation where if one friend does something somewhat awful to another, and is unable to apologize for years, but is finally able to apologize and make amends at a later date, provided the victim does not hold a grudge, wouldn't that be worth something?

Another argument I've seen a lot here is that adding these characters is "not necessary." Well, is any fictional story necessary? Their purpose is to provide exciting entertainment, and these characters were added for the same reason. Like from what I have read about Kamala in the All New Marvel Now Point One one-shot, it's plot is very involved in the struggle between the traditional ways and modern progress, both of which have their values. Sorta like Fiddler on the Roof. Adding additional plot details always makes things more exciting. Like when the alarm on Peter's phone went off signaling the curfew Aunt May had set for him while he was in the middle of battle with a supervillain in just about every episode of the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon. (Holy run-on sentence, Batman!)

Anyway, if you want to try to poke holes in my logic about how awful the reboot is, feel free, but I probably won't buy it. But remember my issue is with the reboot as a whole because I wanted to see what happened next after where several awesome pre-Flashpoint titles such as REBELS, Justice Society of America, etc left off. And remember, in the final issue of Robinson's JLA run, that League disbanded, so of course a new League was going to rise out of the ashes and it could have featured the exact same characters as the New 52 League, and still provide a great jumping on point, without deleting the DCU's entire history. This title and probably Action and Detective probably should have been renumbered for the sake of the retailer, and I wouldn't care if they had done it with all of them and cancelled several titles and replaced them with new ones, it's the continuity reboot that gets me.

Anyway, I'd like to address the several users who on this very thread accused Simon Baz of having no interesting backstory. I'd like to ask them if they have even read Green Lantern #0. Granted the conclusion of that backstory wasn't as good as it could have been due the the Third Army story rushing things along. But what really made him fade into obscurity was Johns' departure from the book. Venditti and the other GL family writers don't really have use for him in their stories aside from having him be the one Green Lantern allowed on Earth while Sector 2814 is ceded to the Reds. And he appears in an odd panel every now and again. Now Johns was supposed to carry Baz with him to Justice League of America, but it wasn't very easy to give him the limelight given that Trinity war, then Forever Evil happened, followed by the books' cancellation. I don't know why Lemire didn't take him to Justice League United, the fact that the only place he is allowed to be in Sector 2814 is Earth is not a factor given they travelld via Zeta Beam to whatever sector Vath Sarn and Isamot Kol hail from. Anyway, I am once again ranting, but if they gave Baz an Earth-based solo book, I'd read it in a heartbeat. We all know we really haven't had any Earth-based Lantern stuff since before Infinite Crisis.

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My first Diverse character of Comics I was shown was Spawn thanks to HBO series. His comics are very fun to read too. I was never too keen at first of Miles Morals being Ultimate Spiderman, but I grew to like him like my friends have. He is ok.

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@dernman said:
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@inferiorego: Have you seen this?

context isn't needed for diverse characters..thats the message and its perfect

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Good thread. I bet everyone will wholeheartedly agree with it even after 10 or 20 years