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Why are Comic Sales Still Down, Despite Movie Tie-Ins and Event Books?

May should have been an great month for comic sales, but it ended up being one of the worst. What's to blame?


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As with any consumer product, there is and always will be pressure to boost sales. This is prevalent in any industry--but this seems to be an urgent demand in the comic book industry, especially lately. Whether there really has been a bigger focus on comics sales, or it just feels that way is hard to tell from the casual comic reader. But the impression from retailers and fans is that now, more than ever, we are seeing a big push to introduce the product to new audiences in order to garner more revenue.

The worry over comics sales feels constantly looming and this is due in part to so many recent changes that have taken place within the industry. Between the "digital comics revolution," and the acquisition of Marvel by Disney, the news of the revamp of the DC Universe this September and the increase in the number of comic book inspired films being released (five comic book films being released this summer alone), you would think these moves would bring in more comic sales. That's a logical assumption to make about the average moviegoer, right? If someone who watched the Green Lantern movie happened to enjoy it, then it makes sense that they'll be interested in picking up Green Lantern comic books. Surprisingly, no.

The market now, more than ever, feels completely over-saturated with comic book inspired films, television shows and video games. Comics are being injected into all aspects of media; and the result is an attempt to increase the fan base and get more people reading comic books. But is it working? Are the releases of all these comic book movies increasing comic book sales whatsoever, or is there no direct correlation?

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"Movies have never and will never increase comic book sales," says Eric Thornton, owner and operator of Chicago Comics for the last twenty years. "[Most of the] People who go to the movies have no interest in investing in the comics and becoming fans of the comic book characters. They won't become Green Lantern comic fans because they liked the Green Lantern movie...In fact, if a bad movie is released, like Catwoman for example, it can actually hurt sales."

A major comic writer cited a similar position on the subject, stating that sales may actually be driven down by comic book movies because when that 13 year old Thor fan has to choose between spending his $13 allowance on a Thor comic or a trip to the Thor movie with his friends, chances are, he'll go see that movie.

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Last week both the Comics Chronicle and ICv2 cited a drop in May comic book sales of 11.21% versus the previous May. Not only that, but May 2011's comic sales ranked as the second lowest comic sales this year, second only to January 2011's which was "the worst seen January to January sales in the last 15 years [the Diamond exclusive era]."

The thing is, this May should have been a big month for comics. It's the start of the summer movie releases, and the very first week of May saw the release of the highly anticipated Thor movie (May 6th) from Marvel Studios. The film's release coincidentally fell on the same weekend as one of the comic book industry's biggest days out of the year; Free Comic Book Day (May 7th). So why did May sales fall so short?

"I think there was just a drop in sales," Eric said, "I don't think it had anything to do with the movie releases...I just don't think there was enough product that fans wanted to read in May. With Marvel releasing so many books, it over-saturated the comics market. No one will want to read five Captain America mini's every single week."

And Eric is right, who would want to read 5 Captain America mini's every week? But it wasn't Captain America that didn't meet its projected sales mark in May, it was actually DC's Flashpoint #1 (86,981 units) which came second in sales for May after Fear Itself #2 from Marvel which estimated at 96,318, dropping an estimated 32,000 units between issues 1 and 2. Still, for the first issue of an event book, Marvel was at least able to get over the 100,000 unit hump, while DC couldn't manage to crack the top spot. So why didn't Flashpoint garner higher sales?

"I went into Flashpoint not know what it was about," Eric said, "and while my Flashpoint #1 orders were spot on, and I only had to reorder once, I still didn't know a lot about it."

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Eric isn't the only person to complain about not knowing enough about Flashpoint prior to the event. After speaking to Jonah Lantern, a sales associate at Los Angeles' Golden Apple Comics shop we discovered that the store still had at least 100 copies of Flashpoint #1 on their shelves. "The Flash ongoing was a little bit confusing," Jonah said, "[the] run before Flashpoint didn't do a good job setting up [the story]" Jonah said. However, both Jonah and Eric stated the Flashpoint tie-ins are doing far better than they anticipated. So what could the reasons be for the low Flashpoint sales? Could it be because DC Comics keeps much of their content so close to their chest? Not only that, but The Flash only had one series prior to the Flash driven event, and that might be harder to sell especially when you compare that to Green Lantern and the Brightest Day event which was backed by at least 40 Green Lantern books- including Sinestro Corps which exceeded expectations of DC Comics and retailers alike. Not to mention, The Flash series also struggled with delayed shipping.

Even though sales in May did drop considerably, DC still managed to snag three of the top 25 highest seller slots for three different Green Lantern titles that month. Green Lantern #66 in May sold almost as many units as Flashpoint #1, coming in third place at an estimated 75,371 units while Green Lantern #60 came in 6th place and Green Lantern Emerald Warriors #10 made into the 17th position.

With the release of all these comic book movies, it doesn't necessarily mean that comic sales will increase. However, the sales number of Green Lantern comics did go up, so perhaps the films help to introduce characters to people who already read comics but that may not read that comic? What do you think of the future of comic books? Do you feel that the decline in sales is indicative that movies really have no bearing on the success of comic book franchises, or do you still think these films could introduce comic characters to a new audience and increase the reader base?

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I think it never helps when everything is too mystical as it has been with the DC Revamp.  It makes it harder to get excited and, therefore, harder to excite others at the local comic shop and on the net via blog posts, tweets, and so on.  I only picked up Flashpoint because of the Thomas Wayne Batman.  And that got me interested in the Lois storyline.  But they've done a bad job communicating why we should care.  Is it going to be relevant to whatever changes actually occur in the DC universe?  And many parts of the DCU seem to still be the same.  
 
In contrast, Marvel has been all over Schism and Spider-Island and I'm so excited to get those books, I've instructed the local comic shop to add all relevant books to my pull list.
 
I think the best conversion rate is from cartoons among young kids vs movies with adults

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@miguel_yanke said:
Interesting!
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To be honest, not that many people read comics anymore... 
Just Sayin'

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Taking into account big problems like the current ecanomic state i think that another problem is that Comics aren't being sold in places where the casual reader can pick them up. I know where to go when i want to buy a comic, but others don't. They might try looking in a news agents or a book shop, but at best all their going to find (in the uk at least) is a shelf full of trade paperbacks from various points mixed in to the manga section (book shop) or a couple copies of 2000AD next to a batman anthology title which has 3 stories in it with one of them coming from the main batman series, but only the second half of the one particular issue. The industrie needs to look to more than just the local comic retailer to sell their product. I mean i got interested thanks to the DC and Marvel animated series when i was a kid, but only started buying them regulartly about 4 years ago. why? well because a kid i was more likely to be taken into a supermarket and book shop and news agents by my parents than i was a comic book shop. So maybe the companies should try and sell their most popular titles in other shops as well as comic book shops and grab a hold of that audiance that usually wouldn't buy comics but who would like to.

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I think the future of comic books is going to be awesome and I hope that more people will read them.
 
Every cloud has a silver lining. :D

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@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

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@THEBlaqueBasterd said:
AS FAR AS MOVIES NEVER BOOSTING SALES TELL THAT TO THE PPL WHO WENT OUT &BOUGHT EVERY SINGLE COPY OF 300, OR V FR VENDETTA, WATCHMEN ETC.. :POINTLESS, SOULLESS, MINDNUMBING ARTICLE..NO-PROPS
 
I dont think that they mean people that go out and buy one or two books because they saw the movie.  I am pretty sure we're talking about people who go see comic book movies and then become legit collectors.  Like I dont think anyone became a fan who wasn't already from any of the movies that came out recently.  We definitely don't need to add extra books just because a movie is happening (ahem Thor and Cap).  And we don't need to change the comics to fit the movie like they tried to do back when X-men first came out.
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The two larger companies (Marvel and Dc) may need to restructure their business model.  There are some people who will never buy a comic but love the characters.  What I propose is that the companies focus a little more on animation projects.  I know many kids who love the superhero concept and have their favorite characters but have never bought a book.  They might, however, beg their parents to buy hour long animated movies about their favorite characters.  Each movie could be a small piece of a larger story arc, just like regular comics.  Kids still love cartoons ad I think it would work.

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People don't wanna give comic books a chance :/

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@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Not my fault. No new comics where I live. I just read some old ones if I find some. Legally. 

BB

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Forgeting the movies for a moment an focusing on big events, many times they don´t have anything whith the title you read, but because of them, you see an issue that interrups the dirección of the book and has no repercutions on it, and sometimes, when they have it's worse, a character has to die or left the title. 
Besades, you got one history like PLANET HULK which is well writen and, even when it last 14 issues, you can understant even if you wheren't read hulk before tha. Then, you got WORLD WAR HULK which had a poor story, lated too long, was meaningless, and has the WOST finale ever. So if companys want people to buy comics they should print good stories whith good characters and don't try to dry our wallets out. 
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@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Is this not a bit harsh? 
 
I mean, he could live somewhere were he has no choice, in many countries and areas there are no comic shops! Besides that, even Vertigo puts up their first issues for free on their website. 
 
 
This bothers the hell out of me that everybody just jumps on people so quickly.   
 
Peace and love, duders :)
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@One. said:
@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Is this not a bit harsh? 
 
I mean, he could live somewhere were he has no choice, in many countries and areas there are no comic shops! Besides that, even Vertigo puts up their first issues for free on their website.   This bothers the hell out of me that everybody just jumps on people so quickly.    Peace and love, duders :)

My reply is on the top of this page. 

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@Billy Batson said:
@One. said:
@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Is this not a bit harsh? 
 
I mean, he could live somewhere were he has no choice, in many countries and areas there are no comic shops! Besides that, even Vertigo puts up their first issues for free on their website.   This bothers the hell out of me that everybody just jumps on people so quickly.    Peace and love, duders :)

My reply is on the top of this page. 

BB

Did'nt see that. Ah well.
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@One.:  

It's okay. 

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@Billy Batson said:

@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Not my fault. No new comics where I live. I just read some old ones if I find some. Legally.

BB

You can purchase them digitally through Comixology a for the most part, you can stay current.You can even purchase them online through comic shops and get them shipped to you. Graham Cracker comics ships comics ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Additionally, come September, you'll be able to download all DC comics the day of release, so the defense of stealing comics digitally opposed to paying for them really doesn't hold any clout.

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@One. said:

@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Is this not a bit harsh?

I mean, he could live somewhere were he has no choice, in many countries and areas there are no comic shops! Besides that, even Vertigo puts up their first issues for free on their website. This bothers the hell out of me that everybody just jumps on people so quickly. Peace and love, duders :)

No it's not harsh at all.

See above response.

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@joshmightbe said:
The real reason comic sales and movie ticket sales and every other kind of sales that aren't food are down the economy sucks right now and people don't have the money to spend on things that are luxuries hell they can barely afford the gas to go to the comic store why are all these entertainment companies and web sites not seeing that aspect 
My thoughts exactly, I don't know why this was even brought up, I can barely afford to eat, I'm struggling to pay for my internet/basic cable, and then there's rent to consider, electric, water, hell I don't even have a car anymore, I either walk or take the bus... the economy is in the toilet and I have to sell my collections to survive... Forget buying new stuff, or seeing movies, or anything beyond survival.
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@eganthevile1: I know what you mean if I have to choose between buying comics and diapers for my daughter I'm not getting the comics 
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@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

@Babs said:

@Billy Batson said:

Well some of the people, like me, read them for free so that may be one of reasons :p

BB

You're the reason the industry is dying. Thanks, dude.

Not my fault. No new comics where I live. I just read some old ones if I find some. Legally.

BB

You can purchase them digitally through Comixology a for the most part, you can stay current.You can even purchase them online through comic shops and get them shipped to you. Graham Cracker comics ships comics ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

Additionally, come September, you'll be able to download all DC comics the day of release, so the defense of stealing comics digitally opposed to paying for them really doesn't hold any clout.

Actually I have a subscription to a comic book, forgot about it, lol.   

I'm not defending stealing. I did not even mention stealing. Free as in people buy them for me


 

I heard about comixology. Don't like digital comics. I might check Graham Cracker comics. 

 

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It's a combination of two things really. The recession and economic crisis coupled with the advent of digital distribution and an evolving of the industry
 
In a crisis such as we have faced on the economy, entertainment and luxury industries are the ones who feel the hurt. 

People look at store sales and cry there is a crisis going on, but all that really proves is the industry is not recession proof. There was a study that examined the rate of slowing and falling sales in the different mediums of entertainment, and comics fell within the same percentage as others. Video games, films, magazines, books, and hit the hardest, music have all seen fairly drastic slumps in their numbers. The mediums that saw major problems were music, magazines, and newspapers, though this is in big parts the recession, the internet has also cut deeply into the profits of magazines and newspapers, and piracy is still a problem for music, though iTunes has only seen monumental gains in it's profits.
 
So, if the comic industry's drop-off fell within the ratio of normal for the other big entertainment industries (even if it's number's aren't at the same level), I wouldn't find that comforting, but also not particularly alarming. Further, we must consider the growing pains of the digital age. While we never will see comics disappear, there will be a day when the comic shop does. If you look back and remember the infancy of the digital distribution, and still now, the many music stores across the country began to cry that the death of the music industry had arrived. This was not true, though the death knell of brick and mortar music shops was sounding. Analysts, and executives, and even artists began to cry foul about dropping numbers, market uncertainty, and the fear of purely digital distribution. Now we see that digital distribution really is the future of music sales, and it clearly has mitigated some of the damage piracy has caused. Could you imagine the state of the industry if digital distribution hadn't succeeded?
 
I see comics experiencing a little of this uncertainty as well. Digital distribution promises the possibility of unprecedented exposure to the industry, ease of delivery, and the accessibility a digital service can provide. As devices like the iPad become commonplace, we see that the over 1 million downloads ComiXology has seen on Android alone, isn't a one-off fluke. But, this causes a market uncertainty. While more sales altogether may be seen, it may not be pooled into one comic that was just released. While a back catalog of a publisher sees renewed interest, their newest issue may stay stagnant until the market grows.
 
Further we see rather large sections of graphic novels popping up in our book retailers. People are more and more shifting from the magazine treatment in order to purchase the entire novel. Some wait for their stories, or boxed collections, to appear on Amazon for one big purchase.
 
So, will comics ever disappear? I doubt in my lifetime they will ever approach irrelevancy. But they are evolving, as much of the monolithic entertainment industry is. To look at the comic industry as a whole, we see, relative to the recession, a very powerful entity. Yet, it is an entity in change. While our superheroes will not be forgotten into the void, we may eventually reach a time where the brick and mortar stores and that focus on magazine issues of comics fade. While it would be a shame for the operators and those who enjoy that side of the comics world, our hobby and the industry will soldier on into whatever incarnation takes their place.

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Comics are already a niche medium. If the print, physical product ever becomes extinct then I can honestly see even darker times for comics.

Sales come from people who buy issues in stores. Besides, comic stores do not survive based on sales alone. I go to my comic store, half hour by train, every Wednesday because I love the conversation, the social aspect and the discussion. As long as you make people feel like it's worth shopping for them, they will if they're able.

I've been to comic stores in the States where it felt like they couldn't be bothered telling me the time of day, much less aid me in my needs. I wouldn't shop there unless I had to.

Comics aren't dying any time soon, it's arguably if they ever will. It's a niche medium in a recession.

-The Mast

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There are a few problems. First the economy and high prices of comics. Personally, I limit myself to no more than one a week since im a college student. But one of the things i find to be problematic are all of the different origins and stories and crossovers. When I first started reading comics about two/three years ago, i had a huge problem finding where to start and trying to keep up with past story arcs that were relevant to the nooks i was reading. Part of this is tie ins and crossovers. I love Grant Morrisson's run on Batman, but with RIP stretching over Batman, Detective Comics, and other series, its been harder to read. And more expensive. How much does it cost to get the full FLASHPOINT story putting together all of the tie ins and the main story? Too much.

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if anyone wants to read a comic without having to keep up with hundreds if interconnected stories
read the fantastic four, lucifer, spawn, savage dragon, incredible hulks most of their stories are easy to follow ,although lucifer you may need to check out the wiki, and are contained within a single comic

unlke batman, superman,avengers, JLA,capt america

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Because the overall economy is in the toilet and that has hit comics (especially at current prices).

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Well, after seeing all the comments in this discussion so far, I've come up with a few conclusions for how this facet of popular culture/entertainment is to be saved, and I urge

 all of you

, read each of these carefully if you want to either agree with me or prove me wrong. Some of these conclusions are based around two ideas: transitioning comic books from being a niche medium (which it has been for the past several years or so) to being a mass medium again (as it was from the old days to around 2001), and that the industry needs to change, not the characters: 
 
1.Changes in the management: A lot of people here are complaining that guys like DiDio, Harras or Quesada have a part in some of the bone-headed decisions the Big two seem to make. If that's the case, re-shuffle the management at each company; select people to fill the roles via a vote consisting of fan input and evaluation by business and marketing experts. Find people who truly care about the characters in the company's respective stables.
 
2. Changes in sales policy: The comic companies need to drop the ideology of using constant status quo changes to kick sales up. Less big events and character deaths, more self-contained content. 
 
3. Changes in Storytelling and characters: The comic companies need to end the use of the ideology of "made for the trade"; in other words, stop doing long story arcs that end up collected in trade paperbacks. They need to focus more on getting back into telling standalone or 1 to 2-issue stories. More short miniseries or original graphic novels should be a focus as well. In regards to characters, they need to end the constant use of death or depowerment of a character in order to either garner sales or tell a story. The idea of mass character overexposure (such as the multiple series for Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, etc.) must be retired so that more characters with less exposure can have their turns in the spotlight. Also, encourage massive and well-thought-out diversity amongst the characters.
 
4. Changes in Cost of materials and pricing: The comic companies need to make their product more affordable, and they need to convince mass distributors (such as big bookstores) to do the same. A single issue should be priced in the 1986 pricing levels in order to be more affordable; in regards to trade paperbacks, they too must have a definite pricing that is affordable, with regular TPB's somewhere in the range of 9.99-19.99 (depending on thickness of volume) and slimmer or smaller ones in the 5.99-8.99 range. In regards to the costs of all the materials, the companies must convince the suppliers of paper, ink, etc. to lower the cost of the materials substantially so that they are more affordable, and all without costing any jobs; otherwise shift to cheaper material that is durable.  In regards to how writers and artists these days now have an almost rock star-like status, they must rethink how much they're paid with each gig so that they can still provide for themselves yet allow the company to save money so that it may afford said materials or advertising. In regards to the costs of advertising, the companies (or even any other entertainment company) must convince the powers that be to greatly lower the cost of advertising. 
 
5. Changes in Marketing: The comic companies need to be more outgoing, original, and aggressive in their marketing strategies, and must convince the powers that be to lower advertising costs for that purpose (see #4). They need to get their product out everywhere so that all could notice it; in the 1980's, I believe Marvel's Transformers and GI Joe comics were the only comic books with television commercials, and they're good examples. Currently, Barnes and Noble's putting in of bigger comic book racks in their magazine section is also a good example. 
 
6. Changes in seeking an audience: The comic companies need to stop catering to (although they claim they're trying not to) the established fanbase and try to find a good, constant balance between said fanbase and regular people. They must also appeal to all ages and across all spectrums with their product. 
 
7. Changes in the fandom: In an article I read on the state of the comics industry, one point the author made was that we, the fans, are partially to blame for the current state of the comics industry, because of (and I'm not saying all of us express these) our stigmatism, cynicism, and ultimately (dare I say it) conservatism.  We need to move beyond the stereotypes people make about us, and become more accepting, optimistic, and understanding. We need to be that way so that we can encourage others who are just regular people, young or old, to re/try comic books.  The same goes with our attitudes towards the comic companies themselves. In a variation of JFK's quote, "Ask not what your comic company can do for you, ask what you can do for your comic company." For our attitudes towards certain writers/artists/etc., don't focus on the bad work they've done, stick with the good they've done. You don't like Joe Quesada's work on Spider-Man, focus on his work on The Ray; JMS, focus on his Thor work, or even Babylon 5 for all you sci-fi nuts out there; for DiDio....try and find something GOOD he's done. 
Even our buying habits need to change; we need to start doing something along the lines of, say, two single issues a week or one tpb a week, or something. We need to also encourage a change in the environments of brick-and-mortar retailers; pursuade them to give their places a more friendly, almost coffeehouse-like feel, where good conversation and respect is fostered. 
  

Does anything seem wrong to you with those conclusions? 
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being one of those people who buy into the comic book movies, but haven't bought a comic in 8 years, i may be able to shine some light on this subject.
 
1. the economy stupid. it's hard enough for most people to keep up with any current hobby's, but to try to add a whole new one is out of the question for a lot of people. movies also require less time and money to follow a characters story arc. $30-40 every few years on theater and blu-ray purchase vs $3-5 dollars on countless issues each year on characters.
 
2. comic book prices are too high. most will cost you $3-4 an issue. not bad if you had only 1 or 2 comics to buy a month, but the publishers don't let you do that. instead they have 5 different comics on the same character running at the same time. not to mention all the cross over issues they seem to have going on all the time. all of a sudden it becomes a lot more expensive to follow this one character you enjoy, and near impossible if you want to get involved in the publishers entire universe.
 
3. how do i get started? seems to be the biggest issue most people have when they want to get into comics. so you tell them to just pick up an issue of the character or universe that has gotten interested in comics, and just start reading. internet is filled with info to help you catch up, and one can always pick up old issues for even more clarity. if only it was so easy. i liked Captin America and a new movie of him is coming soon, so why don't i try to start with Cap book. walk into the shop and see 5 or more different Cap books. shit, which do i buy? which is the main book that is a must read? should have studied before i came, but i was too busy living my life. would ask the guy at the store, but he is too busy talking on phone with buddy or nerd raging over some comment another employee/customer made. i'll look it up later and come back, or just forget and relive the same experience a few months later.
 
4. owners and employees of comic stores suck ass. if they aren't straight up ignoring you then they are trying to sell you a bunch of bullshit you don't want. that is if they and the regulars aren't mocking you for not knowing everything there is to know about every comic that has every been written. maybe making it sound worse than it really is, but the majority of the last few times i've attempted to go into any comic store,(not just the same one) i tend to have one of the three things happen. and when the fuck did they stop giving you bags and boards with each comic purchase? from the age of 7-18 i swear every shop would give you them for free, but every random time i've bought something since i don't get them or have to pay. maybe i was just spoiled before, idk.
 
5. reading comic still have a stigma of being for children or loser adults. i know most here can get over this thought quickly, but the movie fan may not be able to so easily. they see a character from their youth being put on the big screen as a safe way to reminisce, but to dive into the comic would be a waste of time and money for an adult.  like a friend of mine who loves the Transformer movies. sure he'll see them in theaters and buy the Blu-rays, but he isn't going into Toys'r'us for all newest action figures. that would be childish. the same concept happens when he drools all over the newest Batman movie. sure as hell he will be seeing the movie, but won't be caught dead buying and reading those loser comic books.

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Whoa, you are an example of the opposite of my ideal comic book fan. Look at my 7th conclusion and you'll see why.
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I don't think they ever will, but I don' think they will go away, theres always a small market of people that will buy them and spend a lot on them. I like my comic book shop because theres always the same people in there and its not crowded with people who know nothing about comics.

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There's no one factor causing low sales. I've convinced some of my friends to read the odd issue or two, and even after they read them and I suggest a sequel or similar reads, they can't be bothered. I think it's a combination of laziness, lack of money, and not being as interested as they could be, at least in this case.

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Price.

(First and probably only post on Comic Vine. I read the stuff often but don't know enough to frequently post...)

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I don't know about anyone else, but I stopped buy floppy comics almost 2 years ago. I'm quite happy with buy the collected editions in hardcover or paperback. I regret missing some great books that don't get collected, but getting to the comic book store every week or so is a chore. I'm totally uninterested in digital comics. I can't see paying the same price when you get nothing in return. I make back some pretty good Washingtons buy selling the collected editions I don't care for on Amazon or at a used book store. Can't re-sell digital comics. I'd be tempted to go digital but they're the same price as printed! You can't tell me the production costs of digital are anywhere near the cost of print. Digital comics should be 1/3 the price of print or less! If Marvel and DC really want to sell digital comics, they need to release them the same day as print, lower costs by two thirds, AND offer monthly passes for all digital content. I would switch to reading digital if Marvel and DC offered all digital content, new releases included for, say, $50/month. I'm sure they'd grab tons of new digital subscribers with a low priced monthly pass. It's the only way they're going to increase readership. The only way.

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90% of people I know that went to see the Dark Knight and liked it, they decided to give the comics a try.

Almost none of them continued reading them because "I thought Batman would be cool, not a emo in pajamas. And why does he have 70 books coming out at the same time?!" 

This is mostly how this went, while DC movies did enter the modern age, the DC comics never did, and from my experience new readers just don't want to read "comical" comics.

In the GL movie Hal is funny and charming in a hot and boyish way in books he's a macho pilot, those went out of style a few decades back.

Same thing with many of Marvel heroes.

Ironman, Robert is a charming asshole, in books, Tony is just an asshole.

As for DCP destroying the industry, maybe it is, but most people will still buy the comics they like, because no matter what you do you can never digitalize the feel and smell of comics, same with regular books. 
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its a question of exposure no doubt, comics have not got the media weight of movies, but comics can be popular, with the release of watchmen, EVERYBODY read that. People who didnt read comics read it because it was causing such a stir. V for Vendetta, Batman year one and The Dark Knight Returns, same thing because the of the movies attached.  I think the main problem with comics being succesful is that when people first enter this world, theyre attacked by mediocre stories. Characters being killed off only to return a year later, stupid costumes to name two, it simply does not appeal to someone who hasnt read a comic since they were six. They see that spandex and they decide then and there that comics are for nerds. Comics need a serious re do, all across the board, costumes must change, the writing must change, the way comics are marketed must change.  If the quality of comics gets better than anything else out there, that will become impossible to ignore. People will read them, no matter what stigmas are attached to the genre. They will cease to exist if quality is there instead. 

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I remember Ms Lima saying that Comic Con was full of promotion for upcoming films and subsequent companion games by publishers rather than a comic expo, whereas WonderCon was quickly turning into a (if you'll forgive the expression) 'purer' convention. If less than lovely films (a la lanterne verte) that have high enough returns to put cash back into publishers hands to keep making comics seems like a stop gap rather than something sustainable that would encourage growth.
 
I honestly think whichever of the big two embrace Digital fully will leave the other playing catchup for years.  It doesn't have to be a huge change over-night why not if when you buy a physical copy there's a unique code given with the receipt that allows you to view the comic digitally through their site.  After that, why not have some available on their site without having to go to the store with a reduced price?  I don't like pirated comics as much as the next guy but we have to face it, people aren't downloading comics for free entirely because it's cheaper.  It's filling a niche that isn't widely available.  That said, there is something the digital copy won't give you.  That warm feeling a LCS offers. Who  doesn't likes waltzing in on release day, consulting the list and talk to the guy about what he thinks is good or what he thought about the last Snyder book (it was awesome, everyone knows it)? 
 
And I think that's where the LCS will find a unique selling point.  We congregate on this website because we like nerding it out, chewing the fat etc about topics a lot of other people just won't get.  Why not adapt a store where it's as much of a social experience as a consumer transaction. In the videos that feature Isotope comics you can see the couch in the background, they're welcoming and friendly.  Why not invest in a coffee machine while you're there. LCS will have to adapt and it sounds harsh but 'adapt or die' seems to be the writing on the wall.  It might lead to a Barnes and Noble (or Waterstones for us from the UK) model for business but I'd rather have that than the complete death of a physical store with physical pieces of art gone.  The optimist inside me hopes for something better.  Comic Bars.  A place you can go,  buy your comics and sit around and talk about them.   It's the principle that  Book Clubs thrive on but with Comics, there's no waiting 2 weeks to talk about the topics.  Go in, spend your money on the books and talk with peers regarding them.  With a cold beer or a caramel latte.  But that's probably a million miles away and these are just my thoughts.
 
@synthballs: Have a gander at some of the Off-Topic or Battle forums and you'll notice that not knowing anything about a topic doesn't stop other people posting.  Doesn't stop me anyway haha.

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People are not interested in comics.