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Who Is the Best Robin?

There plenty of choices in this long legacy of Boy (and girl) Wonders.

As the Bat-Family expands (and expands, and expands,) I can't help but look at all of Gotham's alter-egos as being ranks in a kind of promotion system. You know, almost like these heroes are going from white belts to a black belts in Karate. So maybe every vigilante starts off as a Robin, then he or she's promoted to Red Robin, Batgirl, Huntress, Red Hood and Nightwing before the highest-trained ones get to the top as a Batman or Batwoman. Who knows, this comparison might prove even more fitting as this BATMAN, INC. storyline plays out.  

While the rank and order of "masks" on the "path to the Bat" isn't strictly defined, most of these capes start as Robins. And, since there've been at least five so far, I figured it'd be fun to compare and contrast these Boy Wonders (and the couple girl wonders.) Who was good at it? Who was bad? Who made it stylish?

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DICK GRAYSON

The original. The standard by which every successor has been judged.  While this flying Grayson is the originator of the mantle, I think most of you maniacs will agree that he's been more interesting as Nightwing and much more interesting as Batman. The "making your own identity" and "accepting your mentor's legacy" themes make for juicier drama than "proving yourself as a sidekick." It's also worth noting that few heroes have had as consistent and enthusiastic female followings as "pretty boy" Dick. == TEASER ==

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JASON TODD

The prodigal son. The bad seed. For most of his existence in print, he’s been better defined in his death than in his life, as a sign of Batman’s failures and tragedy. He was really only Robin for about five years and proved unpopular enough with the fans that they actually voted for him to be killed off in A DEATH IN THE FAMILY (although, that vote was decided by a slim margin.) Like Dick, he’s carved an identity outside this tradition and has proved to be more intriguing as the vengeful Red Hood.

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TIM DRAKE

The journeyman. Likely the most well-adjusted Robin out of this bunch. While Dick wore the "R" for many more years in actual history, the focus has been on Tim the longest. He’s the one who had the 16-year-long Robin solo title. While he's had his fair share of personal tragedies and lost loved ones, he's usually stayed out of the drama that's typified the Wayne household. He only just recently struck out on his own as Red Robin, but I feel it’s an appropriate transition for a guy who's done his time and paid his dues.      

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STEPHANIE BROWN

She's kind-of the redheaded stepchild of this family since she never really got a fair shake. Getting Bruce to validate her as a "real" Robin has been a concern that's continued even into her current career as the third Batgirl. While a lot of Robins have been troubled youths, there's something thematically appropriate about this former Spoiler turning from her supervillainous legacy to this superheroic one. We'll certainly have to evaluate her again if we ever do a "Who's the best Batgirl?" feature, too.  

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DAMIAN WAYNE

The usurper. The bad son. I’ll own up and admit it - - I think he’s coolest out of this bunch. You've got to love his petulant, stern-and-serious-beyond-his-years attitude and, considering how often Robin's been described as Batman's symbolic son, it's certainly appropriate that his actual son would take up the mantle. Also, given how ridiculous the mesh trunks and pixie shoes have looked, it's worth saying that his redesigned costume is the first Robin suit  to actually look menacing, practical and even cool. 

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CARRIE KELLY

So maybe she's an "unofficial" Robin on account of her being from Earth 31 (that's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS' designation, right?) but, c'mon, you know she deserves a mention here. With big 80s hair, the neon shades and the slingshot, she’s probably the most "punk rock" of this bunch. And, seeing as how she's an "orphan" only by the virtue of her parents being hideously-negligent stoners, you've got  to appreciate her for being the one who's had the most fun wearing the red, green and gold.  

So there you have it. Do you maniacs agree with me about Damian? Do you disagree? Let's hear your breakdowns of this legacy. Would you include any of the other Robins from across the Multiverse? How about THRILLKILLER's stylish mod Robin? Maybe Robin, the Toy Wonder of the 853rd century? Let's get the discussion going and hear your picks.

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Who is best Robin, as in who was the best partner for Bruce?

it's probably Tim, followed closely by Duck, then Jason and Damian in a tire.

As for who, I preferred. Jason Todd after the they revamped his character is my new favorite member of the bat family

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Tim

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Side kick wise im with Tim Drake. He was the most loyal out of all of them. He rarely talked back. Also Dick's run with robin was boring and became entertaining when he turned into nightwing.

1) What about when Tim doubted Bruce's innocence in the murder of Silver St. Cloud? Nightwing was the one who ruthlessly defended Bruce, not Tim or Barbara.

2) Dick never had a Nightwing-type to vent to when Bruce was being difficult or a father at home. When you mean "talked back", do you mean the time Bruce and Dick stopped seeing eye to eye on crimefighting?

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Dick is the best.

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That's easy Tim Drake though he is more awesome as Red Robin though Damian is cool to

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Side kick wise im with Tim Drake. He was the most loyal out of all of them. He rarely talked back. Also Dick's run with robin was boring and became entertaining when he turned into nightwing.

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I always thought Tim Drake was the only Robin who could become a Batman as good as Bruce.

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I like Dick and Tim the most. I'll probably lean towards Tim because I started watching BTAS when Tim was introduced, although I've seen more cartoons with Dick as Robin. For me its interchangeable because I love them both. I prefer Jason Todd as Red Hood because I read that before I had the chance to read the comics with his tenure as Robin. And what I've read of Damian I do not like. He is funny but he is a jerk and I can't stand him. Also, I am still wrapping my head around the fact that Batman has a biological son. Kind of ruins the narrative for me.

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Dick Grayson. He was my favorite, to be honest. With his athletic background and how funny he is, I found him to be the best Robin in my opinion. Maybe it's because he's the very first Robin I know. Jason Todd was a very interesting and rebellious Robin, which is very human and believable, but I was never favoured him. Tim Drake was a smart and cool Robin. I liked him, but not as much as I liked Grayson. I don't know much about Damian Wayne, so I can't really say anything about him. As for Stephanie Brown... no comment... I deteste female Robins. Anyway, Grayson is my answer, except for when he was in Teen Titans. I never liked that Teen Titans series.

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My favorite 2 Robins woul be Tim Drake and Dick Grayson, my least favorite are Jason Todd and Damain Wayne

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Damian!

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Dick grayson is the best character but i prefer him as nightwing. My favorite robin is Carrie Kelly.

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Hmm... That's a tough one. I'd say Dick Grayson, but when I think of his Robin, I just think of the campy version. I'd say Tim Drake.

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Dick was definitely my favorite Robin as a whole, but I seriously, SERIOUSLY disliked Stephanie - she annoyed me to no end! I actually wish Carrie could've been in her place instead, she at least was cute and fun. As for the rest: Damian makes me laugh (he's such a brat, I can't help but love him!), Jason makes me both sad and angry, and Tim...I like Tim because he knows what's up.

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Dick is the best character of them all but Tim had the biggest impact on me and was always the best.

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I repeat, Dick is the overall best character but Tim was the best Robin out of them from a technical standpoint.

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Dick Grayson by a very slim margin over Tim Drake. I have a soft spot for Golden age Batman.

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My favorites are Tim Drake and Carrie Kelly. I like Dick Grayson even though he is the most basic and generic, he is at least likeable to me unlike Damian Wayne who in my opinion in order to like him you have to be a fangirl, hes the type of character fangirls get orgasms over, or I dunno something else. Jason Todd is the bad seed and I don't think anybody really likes him. Stephanie was okay.

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Damian for the win! XD

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To me personally Tim Drake is the absolute best Dick is great and all and i think he receives the most praise because he is the most well know, but Tim just has more talent and skill, i really wish Tim was in more of the tv shows and movies because to me he is the most modern, why do i think that i have no idea :P

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Damiannnnn.

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Drake by a landslide

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To Me Tim is the best, I love how he shares Dick's charm and humor, but Bruce's "the ends justify the means" attitude and detective work.

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I think people prefer Dick as a character, but Tim or Damian as Robin.

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My favorite Robin is definitely... GARY GANZ aka the Spectacular Sunbird! ... hey, no fair! just kidding.

But for real, as of the last "NoBody" story-line, I'm starting to really lean toward Damian as my current favorite Robin. Sure the kid is a snotty punk, but he's far and away the strongest personality in the bat family right now. He's young, but he's a fearless ninja with the skill to surpass all the Robin's before him, and probably even his own father. Not to mention that he inherited his father's wicked intellegence.

Tim and Dick were always the lighter side of the Dynamic Duo; true do-gooders, while Batman was the Dark Avenger. With Damian we have a Robin that's as dark or even darker than Batman, and it brings a new and interesting dynamic to the story that really makes the Batman and Robin title my favorite DC title at the moment. I really like how Damien makes the usually stoic Batman so non-plussed all the time. You can tell Bruce loves the kid, but has no idea what to do with him. It's great.

I'm not sure that Damien has been around long enough to completely own the title of Best Robin yet. I think I'll give it another year before I say that he's the best Robin ever. That title still goes to Tim Drake. Tim was the first really interesting Robin that I didn't hate.

I don't know why so many say Grayson was the best Robin. I know he was the first Robin, and I love the fact that DC has allowed his character to grow-up and evolve. I think Grayson, overall, is one of the most well developed characters in any comic over the years, but as Robin? Nah, he was THE cornball, "Holy Geewiz," kid wonder, in fairy slippers and tighty shorts. He is much better as Nightwing. Heck, I even liked him as Batman, but he was boring and irratating as Robin. Honestly, until Tim Drake came around I was on the "Robin sucks" bandwagon. Anyone old enough to have been reading comics in the 80's knows exactly what I mean- Robin was an absolute joke for a while there (which was as much due to Jason Todd as Dick, but the character would need a major overall to interest readers again).

Tim Drake is the one who really changed the game. His character was the one that made Robin no longer suck, and showed why Batman actually is better off with a Robin. Ha! In those first Robin-free Drake issues, Batman was a wreckless mess. Also- The writing, writing, writing on the Tim Drake solo run of Robin was stellar! Bill Willingham especially wrote some chilling cross-genre horror Sci-Fi issues that still haunt me a bit to this day. Some of his ideas were so large in those issues, I found myself surprised to even find them within the confines of a Robin comic. I love the fact that every facet of the Robin character was delved into, including Batman's choice to dress up Robin in bright distracting colors while he wore black and his in the shadows. That brought up the question of whether Robin was just another tool in Batman's utility belt, or if he was a legitimate partner. I loved that storyline. To top it off, those Drake, Robin issues went beyond the comic, took on a deper meaning and talked about some pretty heavy real life issues such as mental illnesses, teen pregnancy, abortion, and addiction.

So, yeah... I love the Tim Drake era of Robin. I also loved his run as Red Robin as well. I think DC is crazy to not have a Tim Drake solo series out right now in the New 52. I'm sorry to say that the Teen Titans just doesn't cut it. It's a so-so title, but no where as good as Robin or Red Robin. I also thought Stephanie Brown really got short changed as Batgirl in the new 52 as her character was finally really starting to blossom. So, why not a Red Robin & Spoiler title? I'd love that. There would certainly be a lot for those two to discuss to carry many stories I'd imagine.

Stephanie wasn't really a Robin long enough for me to consider her among the best. Plus, she got fired by the Batman. She'd already been dumped on by the Batman when she was Spoiler and ousted by the Birds of Prey. Getting fired as Robin and then killed by Black Mask made her character the most sad depressing DC character of all time until she came back as Batgirl.

Jason Todd? I love him as the Red Hood. The recent series is a bit coarse and silly for taste, but it's still the best thing we've seen with his character. But as Robin? Are you kidding me? DC actually had people put it to a vote whether or not Jason Todd should be killed and the majority of the voters agreed that they wanted them dead. Later on, some of the voters who vote against killing him have allegedly stated that they thought were voting to keep Dick Grayson alive and had no clue who Jason Todd even was. He was a total failure as Robin. I hate to say it, but the best thing to happen to his charater (and at the time Robin as well) was to die. His death did create the jumping point for Tim Drake's Robin and later for Todd's epic return as Red Hood.

Carrie Kelly? She's not the only alternate world/time Robin, so I'm not sure why she's being singled out on the list. There's that Robin 3000 and Toy Wonder Robin and then the other future girl Robin- whose names I can't remember because I didn't like any of those comics. LOL! Sorry. I don't even want to discuss Carrie. It makes me want to yawn.

So to sum it all up...

Tim Drake IS the best all-time Robin, but Damien is also great and is probably the most interesting Batfamily character of the moment. Dick Grayson is an amazing overall character, but his cornball Robin is nowhere near as cool as Nightwing. Jason Todd rocks as Red Hood, but the only thing his Robin did well was to die. Stephanie didn't really get break in the Robin costume before being fired by Batman, and is therefore more interesting as Batgirl, Spoiler and a between costumes character than she was as Robin. And Carrie Ke....yawn.... ***zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

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Tim IS Robin to me.

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oh you know its Tim Drake

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Dick Grayson hands down for me

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Man, can't decide between dick or tim.

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Grayson and Kelly were boring, Todd and Wayne were/are obnoxious, and Brown wasn't around for long enough. Tim Drake by default.

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@GuruOfFunk said:

Bruce Wayne as Batman, Dick Grayson as Nightwing, and Tim Drake as Robin. Tim Drake is the Robin I know and love the best.

Yeah, exactly my thought process.

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Bruce Wayne as Batman, Dick Grayson as Nightwing, and Tim Drake as Robin. Tim Drake is the Robin I know and love the best.

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I wanna say Grayson but Drake is the best robin in my opinion. He has the most potential and one of the few robins who could hold their own early on in their careers. The guy also had an amazing ongoing series which ran longer than Nightwing i think. He is also the only robin who can do the mantle of Batman justice when he becomes of age. Grayson was a good batman but Drake can be a great/legendary Batman like Bruce is

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Grayson and Todd are the best IMO

Even though Todd is more like a Anti-hero.

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Jason Todd IMO

The whole bad seed thing was a better contrast for Bats

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IMO the best sidekick possible to Batman is Tim Drake, I believe he is the smartest Robin out of all of them. Damian Wayne has the potential to be the best fighter out of all of them, and Dick is at this moment the best fighter out of all of them. But what makes Tim the best Robin is he is a true counterpart to Batman, he is the best detective out of all of them, he is the most intelligent and Batman needs intelligence down to his core on what he is. Also Tim is a good fighter in his own right.

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Jason. The boy has skills and the best of humour. I love his pre-crisis robin.

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I'm a girl and believe me I HATE all female robins.

The Best as Partner/Sidekick: Dick - u know he's the good guy he is the only robin who deserves being Batman

My Favorite: Tim - He is of the kind of guy I really want as a boyfriend :D

The Coolest: Damian- Dude is so F#$%#$% badass and any robin had been that way = original and awesomely badass

Best Costume: Between Damian's and Tim's yellow/black/red

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we have been flooded with tim fanboys nooooooo

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jason or Damion takes it

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The original and the best .Dick Grayson. He created it. He made it intimidating ( In green panties no less). He made it a threat. It's his legacy . It's his mantle. He. Is. Robin.

I hate how the argument for Tim is basically "He's the best detective. He earned the title." Really.

First off before Tim came along Dick was the second best detective,( Who is Donna Troy. Anyone) But because they wanted TIm to stand out he became the best detective because without that what else does he have?

And anyone who thinks Dick didn't earn his place should Read "The Gauntlet" and you'll see that Dick earned his position as well.

Damian is second. I hated him at first but then I saw his relationship with Tim and it made me appreciate his character. I loved his team-up with Dick as well.

Jason comes third. I have a soft spot for him.

Tim is my least favorite. He irks me.

I don't even count Stephanie or Carrie.

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None of them. Robin sucks. The characters only improve once they get their own unique identity rather than that "Batman's flamboyant kid sidekick" garbage.

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@entropy_aegis said:
"@Fantasgasmic: The fact drake is hard to dislike is what makes him lame.Richard is the best then damian,jason and stephanie had potential,and i'd like to set the record straight,going from my posts many people will feel that i hate drake this is not the case at all,i used to be a huuuge drake fanboy,but then i started seeing things in his character which completely turned me off,basically the more i read about him the more i dislike him. "

Wow was this really me?Shoots myself.
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I think the question here is not which is the best character, but which was the best Robin and that answer I belive is Tim.  Dick was the originator and, as the author of the thread stated the one by which all the others were measured by, but Dick did not come to his own until after the mantle was taken from him.  Before that, he was just a side kick.  Sure he did his thing on the Teen Titans and among a team of sidekicks he was the best, but the fact remains that while he was Robin, he was always Batman's sidekick. 
 
Jason was initally a mirror image of Dick who, once again did not come into his own until after he died and came back.  He had some interesting stories to his credit, but as Robin he was not very effective.    
 
Damien...well, Damien is just annoying.  He has his moments, I'll give him, but I don't see him expanding on the role any more than any of his predessessors did. 
 
Tim earned the role.  He found out who Batman and Nightwing were, he underwent intensive training even before he was allowed to take the role.  And once he did, he did not confine himself to what Dick did or try to mirror him, he made the role his own.  He became just as well known for being on his own as he did for being Batman's sidekick, and he was arguably more effective on his own when out from under Batman's shadow, but even as a sidekick, I think he complemented Batman best. 
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TIm I like Nightwing I hate Damian
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@Scary Tousers:
Dick was 19 when he became Nightwing, but had already tired of the Robin mantle during the new teen titans at around the same age Tim(17-18) became Red Robin. Dick felt he outgrew it, but Tim  looked at it as his duty as long as Bruce was there to teach him.
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I've always said that Dick was the most complete Robin/NW. He always comes through for Bruce, and his best qualities are what make him shine. His style. Tim is all about tactics and strategy but he struggles with high calibur fighters.Batman has also stated that Tim is a little naive in that he still sees the world in black and white but is gifted nonetheless. Damian right now, at age 10 shows the most promise out of any other Robin. He's potentially better than Tim, we saw in 666 his future self is shown to have booby trapped every prominent building in Gotham, admitting that he'd never be as good as his father or Dick Grayson so he'd specialize in cheating to guarantee the city's safety and more importantly--a batman. Grayson is more of a speed chess guy, he can think on his feet and adapts well to serve any situation. Phenomenal improv..excellent timing(He's dropped in to save Bruce, Tim, Jason and Damian on numerous occasions.How?lol). His selflessness and bold nature, the ability to inspire and lead, and arguably up there with the top 10 martial artists of DC. Jason gets no respect from me. Steph was a dumb blonde. Carrie kelly I actually haven't read too much about. Damian gets my vote.
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there is no question that tim drake was the best.  He smart as hell and can kick your ass