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When Have You Rooted for the Bad Guys?

There's certainly many to root for.

  Marv's mug ain't gonna be on a stamp anytime.
 Marv's mug ain't gonna be on a stamp anytime.

Writing for our sister site, Anime Vice, has given me a lot of perspective on these comics I love so much. For instance, I recently asked “When is it OK to Root for the Bad Guy?” in my Almost Otaku column; the topic stemming from an anime show called DEATH NOTE about an unusual kind of vigilante. Rather than put on costume to fight crime, the main character Kira (a teenage class president) kills scores of criminals simply by writing their name into a magic notebook. There’s much more to the show’s premise than that, but I’m bringing it up because there’s been a discussion amongst the Anime Vice lunatics over whether viewers should root for this anti-hero protagonist Kira, or his various lawman antagonists.

Kira’s somewhat of a supernatural Punisher, but I’m not interested in a debate about whether heroes should uses lethal force or not. I’m more interested in extending this discussion of “When is it OK to root for the bad guys?” to comics.  == TEASER ==

  Zealots, drug addicts, megalomaniacs, sociopaths... you know, your old pals.
 Zealots, drug addicts, megalomaniacs, sociopaths... you know, your old pals.

See, I never really liked crime movies when I was younger because, back then, my answer to that question was a definite “never.” However, as I got older, I realized that was something of a double-standard. Some of my favorite comics characters are the villains: Thanos in THE INFINITY GAUNTLET, the Joker in THE DARK KNIGHT (and the first BATMAN movie, really), MAX's Punisher, the various iterations of SUICIDE SQUAD and THUNDERBOLTS, the monstrous sociopaths in THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN and basically all the characters in SIN CITY.   Their exploits are utterly compelling to follow, because you really can’t predict what they’ll do next and there’s usually a lot more complexity to their characterizations than what you get out of heroes.

I suppose the difference here is that, as evil as these characters ever get, they’re still far enough removed from reality. SIN CITY’s a crime story like the ones I didn’t like as a kid, but nobody’s going to describe it as street-level realism. But what do the Comic Vine maniacs say? When have you rooted for the bad guys?

-- Tom Pinchuk is the writer of UNIMAGINABLE for Arcana Studios and HYBRID BASTARDS! for Archaia. HYBRID BASTARDS! is available  here and UNIMAGINABLE is available here for pre-order on Amazon.com.  

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I rooted for Doomsday in the Death of Superman. I Like supes but I just LOVED seeing him get messed up by D-day! 
 
Also Galactus (whoever he's against!) He's the coolest villain ever... a force of nature! 
 
Cheered for Vader all through Star Wars (I'd love to have an empire of my own) 
 
And totally backed Sylar in Heroes against Peter!

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Personally I like the heroes better, Green Lantern, the Avengers, Spider-Man.
But I have favorite villains, but I don't root for them to succeed ever.  I root for Superman, because the heroes represent the good that everyone wants to aspire to, or that we hope is within everyone.  And, in my opinion, when the villain is done realistically his or her motivations come from a reasonable place and not from pure evil.  Even Galactus wanted to use his powers for good, but his hunger was so strong he decided to help the universe after he ate.

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But I never want to see Magneto win, unless I feel he is right in his actions, I don't want to see Dr. Doom kill the Fantastic Four once and for all.
With Magneto, and to some extents Sinestro or Doom, they really think they are good guys or that their cause is good.  So they do what must be done, 
sometimes a necessary evil to do it, but their goal is good.  So if they are doing something for the good, like maybe Magneto is attacking some disgusting punks who were about to kill a little girl for being a mutant, I might root for him but I don't want to see him kill anyone.  Then again, its a fictional story so no one really dies anyway. 
Its nice when the hero has a foe who seems bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, than the hero.  Because then the struggle is interesting.  Its better when the villain's motivations are relatable and sympathetic.  Then we can sort of see where they are coming from and why they are doing it.  But still I don't want the bad guys to win.
I want to see the good guys win.
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I root for every Superman villain in hopes that they might finally kill him (and he won't come back to life). 
 
And Deadpool, Taskmaster, Carnage, Two-face, and petty much every other awesome villain

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Wanted, Nemesis (Mark Millar), Deadpool, and the Ghosts from pac-man
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Magneto, he has always had a legitimate gripe against humanity, and the X-Men simply won't let up in their fight to stop Mutants from overrunning human society. If the humans are so tough, then let them handle Magneto, and have him give the X-Men the ass-wuppin' they've been needing for the longest!
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Does Jason Voorhees count because I always rooted for him.

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I've been rooting for villains since I was...basically 3. They're always the most interesting, have the most depth and psychology, etc, I've always preferred the bad guy.

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@bob agent of agency x: Lol me too well with the Superman one
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I've always been a huge backer of Toad, mostly because were both ugly, romanticly frustrated midgets... 
I know this isn't quite what you were thinking of, but in the Mad Hatter's first apperance in the Batman animated show, I was completely on the Hatter's side.  I think I even cried when he lost the girl the first time I saw it.
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I always root for Deathstroke, Doom, Larfleeze, Atrocious, Sinestro, andThe Rogues
 
I was rooting for Zod in War of the Supermen as well I was rooting for the evil Teen Titans from the future

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dark avengers !!

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old Deadpool, taskmaster,joker,vader,Doom,Thanos,Ares.
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Lex Luthor, Deadpool, and Darth Vader.

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I always liked to root for Venom (Eddie Brock not Gargan), Boba Fett, and Darth Vader.  I always found those characters interesting.
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i remenber that in killing joke i always wanted the joker to win over batman 

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X- Men 2 and 3: Magneto and Mystique own
 
Jet Li - The One : Yu Law should of won!
 
X-men Origins Wolverine: BarakaPool because Wolverine deserved that beating..
 
Spider-man 2: Doc Ock rules
 

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da JOKER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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Classic Venom FOR THE WIN.
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I'd say Secret Six in the first miniseries. That was incredible.
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Currently, I'm routing for Hiro Kala in his crusade to destroy half the universe lol

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When reading, I always route for the good guys, when it comes to buying new merchandise, I find my self picking villains.    
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I have always loved Magneto... I know some writers have really really bad depictions of him, but I never really viewed him as a total villain...
 
One total bad ass entity that I have always rooted for and always gets excited to see is Apocalypse... 
 
Another one is the Magus! :)

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I routinely root for: 
 
-Atrocitus 
-Sinestro  
-Hank Henshaw 
-Captain Cold

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I remember during the 90's I routed for Magneto, since he and his team were seemingly having a better time than the X-men. Also I always root for Doc Ock
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In the comics, it has to be Dr Doom! Don't know why but I always seem to be cheering for him! 
 
The most recent time was in that movie 'Law Abiding Citizen' I so wanted Gerard Butler's cxharacter to get away with it in the end!
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It's true that an interesting villain can make a comic book better. Sometimes I wonder what would be like if the bad guys win.

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@The Sadhu said:
" In the comics, it has to be Dr Doom! Don't know why but I always seem to be cheering for him!  The most recent time was in that movie 'Law Abiding Citizen' I so wanted Gerard Butler's character to get away with it in the end! "
could not agree more. I must also mention Magneto and Stormtroopers. I have always felt bad for henchmen. I think they should have a win every once in a while. Especially Stormtroopers.
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In Utopia I really wanted Norman to put a bullet in Cyclops' head

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I root for Atrocitus, I want him to burn Sinestro, Hal, Cyborg Superman and the Manhunters and the Guardians, BURN THEM ALL!!! 

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Hmm...I can't really recall if I've ever rooted for the villain, but I know I must've...

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My favourite character is Sinestro. The old qwardian ring was so cool. Unlimited power, yeah
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If  Marv is a bad guy then I'm on the wrong side of this argument anyway.  Also, I woot for Apocalypse .

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Mr. Freeze on BTAS.
 
And Sinestro now and again.  Especially when he's baiting Hal and Carol.
 
I'm not sure Marv is the "bad guy" of the Sin City story, if only because the guys he fights are as bad/worse.  It is easier if you're counting bad guy vs. bad guy stories.  For example, any time Joker has ever encountered a more powerful villain, I'm always pulling for him.

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Any villain that wants to kill Hal Jordan I stand behind.

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@Grim:
Very true. Although Deathstroke has fluctuated between villain & anti-hero over the years, he's cool to root for in either role.
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Hold on, are you saying that MAX Punisher is a bad guy? Take a look at the people he's killing. Good and Bad are all relative, so it would make more sense to me, to say Antagonist instead of bad guy. 
 
I root for Dr.light.

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@Tom Pinchuk  Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet and Dr. Doom during Secret Wars

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I was rooting for Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet and Parallax in Zero Hour.  Also always wanted Dracula to come out on top in every Vampire comic and / or movie I've seen.
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i cant help but root for the hood when he is in a comic he is just awsome  
 
and light from death note 

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Light and Ryuuk
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Death Note
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@Lovingdamnation said:
"If  Marv is a bad guy then I'm on the wrong side of this argument anyway.  Also, I woot for Apocalypse ."

Marv is a guy with issues.  A chemical imbalance for starters.  He obviously has some sort of degree of honor, but he's more like a samurai Mike Tyson living in the city of Sodom.  I bi-polar survivalist with loose morals.
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@Tom Pinchuk Oh! and how could I forget Juggernaut and Bane!

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Earth-295 AoA/Dark Beast
Earth-295 AoA/Dark Beast
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poison ivy, she just wants to save the enviroment! and harley quinn, she just wants to prove herself
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Infinity War. I wanted Thanos to kick some arse

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You know it's hard for me NOT to root for this guys or understand why they do what they do. 
 
Bane
Bane

Mr.Freeze
Mr.Freeze

Ra's al Ghul
Ra's al Ghul
    
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Deadshot
Deadshot

Black Adam
Black Adam
 
Darkseid
Darkseid
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
Ares
Ares
 
Dr.Doom
Dr.Doom

 
Venom
Venom
  
 
 
Apocalypse
Apocalypse
 
 
 
Juggernaut
Juggernaut
 
 
Magneto
Magneto
 
 
 
Mr.Sinister
Mr.Sinister
 
 
Sabretooth
Sabretooth
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TWILIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! 
 
Victoria is awesome
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I've always loved the Thunderbolts and Suicide Squad is without a doubt one of my favorite concepts in comics

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@00 Raiser said:
" Only time I have ever rooted for the bad guys was when I watched some any gundam series from the Universal Century. I always wanted Zeon to beat the Federation. "
^
and the secret six