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WB To Reboot Buffy, Whedon Not Happy

Warner Brothers is gearing up for a reboot of BUFFY: The Vampire Slayer without Joss Whedon

On more than one occasion when I have interviewed comic book creators and asked what it was like for them to create an original story with original characters; they've replied that it sometimes takes a lot out of them. The endless hours combined where the writer/illustrator sits and wracks his or her brain trying to conjure up unique and interesting ideas with enticing characters isn't easy, and can sometimes become overwhelming. Writing an original story, or creating an original character can often mean putting themselves out there- giving part of themselves to the story and sharing it with the world. Yet, the moment they share is also the moment that the project no longer belongs to them. It belongs to the publisher who published their book, to the agent that got them noticed, to the film company who funded the project and finally, to the audience; to the fans. This project, whatever it may be, suddenly belongs to anyone who has become monetarily or emotionally invested in it in one way or another and the creator suddenly becomes simply a name in the credits of the movie, or on the cover of the book. As a result, the idea that something they conjured up and worked hard to perfect could be taken into a new creative direction without their input, is a concept that can be very hard to swallow. Such is writer/director Joss Whedon's current predicament. On the heels of the announcement that Warner Brothers purchased the rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and that they would be doing a reboot of the film and television series without it's creator; Whedon was quick to reply in a discussion with Collider.

This is a sad, sad reflection on our times, when people must feed off the carcasses of beloved stories from their youths—just because they can’t think of an original idea of their own, like I did with my Avengers idea that I made up myself... 

 == TEASER ==
Whedon went on, very honestly, to express that while he always hoped that Buffy would live on long after Whedon, that he was not pleased that a studio would reboot her film without letting him know, first. 

l Obviously I have strong, mixed emotions about something like this. My first reaction upon hearing who was writing it was, “Whit Stillman AND Wes Anderson?  This is gonna be the most sardonically adorable movie EVER.”  Apparently I was misinformed. Apparently I am seldom informed of anything. And possibly a little slow. But seriously, are vampires even popular any more? I always hoped that Buffy would live on even after my death.  But, you know, AFTER.  I don’t love the idea of my creation in other hands, but I’m also well aware  that many more hands than mine went into making that show what it was. And there is no legal grounds for doing anything other than sighing audibly. I can’t wish people who are passionate about my little myth ill. I can, however, take this time to announce that I’m making a Batman movie.  Because there’s a franchise that truly needs updating. So look for The Dark Knight Rises Way Earlier Than That Other One And Also More Cheaply And In Toronto, rebooting into a theater near you.

Even though Joss Whedon created Buffy the Vampire Slayer, wrote the script for the 1992 film, independently funded, wrote, and directed the television show's unaired pilot - Buffy no longer belongs to Joss Whedon. Buffy the Vampire Slayer belongs to Warner Brothers, and to you, and to me.  However, Joss Whedon, more than anyone, has every right to be upset over a reboot- which will in no way involve him- yet will be based on a character that became wildly popular as a result of his hard work and creativity. To add insult to injury, the screenplay for the film will be written by Whit Anderson, an actress who has appeared in two films ( YES MAN, SAW: REBIRTH) and who's only credentials for writing the screenplay for the BUFFY reboot is that she's a "really big fan." Whedon has a point. It might seem reasonable to bring in a "fan" to write the screenplay- if the writer were dead- but Whedon, who created BUFFY is still very much alive, so why isn't he working on it?
 
What do you think of the idea of a BUFFY movie reboot without Joss Whedon? Do you think that as creator, he should be involved? Should he have the right to be upset over the future of a property he created
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Posted by Astroknot

If I made something like this, and was told I couldn't work on it without giving it up, I'd be super pissed as well.

Posted by weaponx

He definitely has the right to be upset; wouldn't you? I am a huge fan of the show and of Whedon, so I don't know if I am excited for the reboot or not.... mostly not I guess... I don't know why they wouldn't involve him in this. 

Posted by ComicMan24

Really? They are rebooting it? I would also be upset If I was in his place.

Posted by Skaddix

Come on Buffy has only been gone for seven years not counting comics, u can still catch the ocassional rerun and Hollywood is already rebooting. Seriously, Hollywood really is out of ideas.

Edited by damswedon

Not to make the Whedonites angry but I just want to say that the less involved in Buffy Whedon is, the more I enjoy it. So things look good for this version... and if it turns out to be a turd it doesn't matter I still have the terrible first film.

Posted by Baron_Emo

I could understand this if no Buffy properties had been released at all for a decade or so. 
 
Why couldn't they have bought the rights back in '03 and made a film then? Then at least Whedon and the cast could have been easily involved.

Posted by Raul_The_Man

I don't think it's going to be same. I'm a huge Buffy fan, but mostly I'm a huge Buffy fan in which Joss Whedon is involved in. It's not going to be the same Buffy without him. I mean they can try but they won't get it right.  
I think he should be angry with WB. It's crazy they don't think people will be way more excited if he was involved. I know I would, but now I'm just like, meh, whatever.
Posted by cbishop

I don't think they can recapture what made the show popular, for a new film, but if they want to try, then try.  How did Whedon lose the property though?

Posted by ComicMan24
@cbishop said:
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I don't think they can recapture what made the show popular, for a new film, but if they want to try, then try.  How did Whedon lose the property though?

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I am wondering the same thing.
Posted by Baron_Emo
@ComicMan24 said:
" @cbishop said:
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I don't think they can recapture what made the show popular, for a new film, but if they want to try, then try.  How did Whedon lose the property though?

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I am wondering the same thing. "
Did it belong to Mutant Enemy?
Posted by ComicMan24
@Baron_Emo said:
" @ComicMan24 said:
" @cbishop said:
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I don't think they can recapture what made the show popular, for a new film, but if they want to try, then try.  How did Whedon lose the property though?

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I am wondering the same thing. "
Did it belong to Mutant Enemy? "
I have no idea.
Posted by ShirEPanjshir

Seriously, this sucks for Whedon. And it 'll probably suck for the character of Buffy too, can't imagine that this screenplay written by a "fan" with not much experience will do her much justice.

Edited by Video_Martian

So WB wants to reboot Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and yet they STILL don't have the time or money to finally make a Flash or Wonder Woman movie?!? 
  
and if Joss Whedon doesn't even approve of this then WHY even make this in the first place?!?! 
 
Yeah, that's REALLY smart of them.  WB, along with DC Entertainment, are now starting to act just like Marvel with their greed...

Posted by cbishop
@Baron_Emo:
@ComicMan24:

I don't know.  I always assumed that Mutant Enemy was Whedon's company, but have never checked.  How did he get completely cut out of it, is what I'm wondering.
Posted by ComicMan24

The fact that the one writing it is a fan, isn't always a good idea. I mean I like Superman but that doesn't mean I would do a good job as a writer for him.

Posted by crowncoke

I can see WB wanting to capitalize on something they have the rights too... but seriously!  Buffy?  Its not like they can reboot it and expect the loyal fans to flock to it without either some sort of cast tie in or Whedon's involvement.  That being said, it would have been better for them to have taken Supernatural to the large screen and played of the success of a 'current' property with a decent fan base.  I see fail in the future of this film.
Posted by Mr. Mercury

This sounds like a train wreck

Edited by Video_Martian
@crowncoke said:

"I can see WB wanting to capitalize on something they have the rights too... but seriously!  Buffy?  Its not like they can reboot it and expect the loyal fans to flock to it without either some sort of cast tie in or Whedon's involvement.  That being said, it would have been better for them to have taken Supernatural to the large screen and played of the success of a 'current' property with a decent fan base.  I see fail in the future of this film. "


I just think it's stupid that WB has a major advantage on making films based on the 1000+ DC characters that they own the rights to, and what do they want to do?  They want to reboot Buffy.  BUFFY!!!  ARE U FRICKIN KIDDIN ME?!?  I mean, WB is one of the most successful film companies on earth.  They have more than enough money to make films on their beloved superhero properties, such as The Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Teen Titans, and even Justice League and they wanna make Buffy.  A franchise that was popular in the 90's that is know dead and long gone.  AND they wanna make it without its brilliant creator, Joss Whedon.  F***in' stupid, if u ask me.
Posted by vincethekid

This is a sad day.  Another remake.  Great. (That's my sarcasm at it's finest)  Whedon is right about one thing though. 
 
CAN ANYONE COME UP WITH ORIGINAL AND FRESH IDEAS ANYMORE??? 
 
Why is it cool to do something somebody else has done or take EXACTLY the same idea and make it their own?   
 
ANSWER:  Cause it's easy.... 
 
It's easy to steal and copy ideas then make some up of your own.  It hard coming up with fresh ideas, if it wasn't, everybody would be a writer and working the entertainment industry. 
 
Creating something out of nothing is hard as hell.  Why couldn't this dumb girl "who's a fan" tell Vampire/Buffy stories from a different perspective? For instance, tell a new story from the Sunnydale vampire and the demons perspective.  A villains perspective, these creatures trying to get back into the fold and stop the Slayer.  They don't even have to use the word Buffy at all. 
 
Again, I'm spit-balling and idea here.  It's off the tope of the head and maybe it's not all that great but, see..... 
 
This is a different take on something that existed before it.  I'm not taking the same approach.  It's the same but, it's different. 
 
 This is what as fans we respect, will get behind, and support. It's something fresh, to something we enjoyed before, that's is no longer with us. 
 
Wake up hollywood.  Stop doing the easy.  Spend the time finding the talent to make new properties or create new ideas from old ones. 
 
We has fans will reward you for your efforts... promise.

Posted by Grim

I AM NOT HAPPY! WB HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOOD TO ME BUT THIS IS GARBAGE! 
 if Whedon has a massive fan following. WE got Firefly finished in Serenity. We got Dollhouse a second season. We made DR. Horrible a famed concept.  
 what pisses me off a little more than the mere fact that their doing this, is the fact that they might get away with it. I think the Twilight twits might actually carry more weight in this than one of the greatest out-of-the-blue fanbases that ever existed. 
 i guess its time to find out though. there is no way any whedon heads are taking this sitting down. im standing right now.

Posted by Theodore

" I can, however, take this time to announce that I’m making a Batman movie.  Because there’s a franchise that truly needs updating. So look for The Dark Knight Rises Way Earlier Than That Other One And Also More Cheaply And In Toronto, rebooting into a theater near you."
 
LOL.

Posted by djames216

I think they should have at least given him the courtesy of consulting him.  But this is Film/TV Executives we're talking about here.  Since when did they give a crap about anything other than money.  They see the popularity of Twilight (even if it is godawful) and they want a piece of the pie.  I sympathise with Whedon, but it remains to be seen if the new stuff is any good. Having said that, I personally think that a reboot of it now is WAY too soon plus it's voice will be harder to hear amongst all the other vampire stuff out there.  I kinda hope it fails.  I can see at least a portion of Buffy fans hating this before it even starts. Joss has every right to be upset.  Wouldn't you be upset if your baby project that you nurtured for several years was snatched away and given to others to (probably) f*ck up?

Posted by queenfrost_

I feel for Whedon but he should forget it, he is doing bigger and better things with his life now anyway.

Posted by Silkcuts

Why does WB try to piss off every creator known to man?

Posted by Bruce Vain


“This is a sad, sad reflection on our times, when people must feed off the carcasses of beloved stories from their youths—just because they can’t think of an original idea of their own, like I did with my Avengers idea that I made up myself..."

 

Something I've been saying for the past few years. Glad to see Joss feeling the same way about Hollywood. I'd be ticked off just like him.

Posted by ShadowDemon

Whedon's "star" in Hollywood has unfortunately been on the wane since the Serenity "disaster" (from the studio PoV).  He's had at least one high-profile project (Wonder Woman) pulled out from under him already, and his primary current credit is writing comic books (which the film industry looks down it's collective nose at in terms of quality while simultaneously ripping the genre off for materials).
 
We're also still in the middle of "remake fever".  New Trek film in the works.  New BSG (again).   New Superman.  Lots and lots of superhero films/projects in general (many of which are essentially "remakes" of the comics).

Posted by rlmay3

Not only is this a HUGE slap in the face to Whedon, it's REALLY surpriseing that WB would put this sort of property in the hands of a novice writer, especially if they want a series AFTER the movie.
 
Personally, I was never a terribly big fan of Buffy or most of Whedon's stuff (Firefly excluded), but any artist that creates something has to feel a LITTLE bitter when someone else profits from what they've worked so hard to establish. Especially when it apparently occurred without him knowing until after the fact.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@cbishop said:
" @Baron_Emo: @ComicMan24: I don't know.  I always assumed that Mutant Enemy was Whedon's company, but have never checked.  How did he get completely cut out of it, is what I'm wondering. "
@Silkcuts said:
" Why does WB try to piss off every creator known to man? "
LMAO!! "This could never happen today!!!" ROFLMAO.
Posted by Xenozoic Shaman

I'm not a big Whedon fan, but I really enjoyed the original Buffy and Firefly.  He's right, all they do is rehash the older titles, and now they're not even waiting until they're cold in the grave before their greed sets in.  Remember this is the same WB that cancelled his other show Angel, and many other fan favorites.

Posted by AMS

To be fair Whedon himself has been taking Buffy and Angel on tangents through the comics that alot of people can no longer stand. 
 
I just pretend they both ended when the respective series ended now a days and save myself from the drama.
Posted by Om1kron

boo hoo hoo, I bet he was happy when he cashed that check when selling the IDEA to the company... YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! 

Posted by Jotham

Well, he definitely handled it better than I would have. I'm sure it won't be too popular.

Posted by EnSabahNurX
@damswedon said:
" Not to make the Whedonites angry but I just want to say that the less involved in Buffy Whedon is, the more I enjoy it. So things look good for this version... and if it turns out to be a turd it doesn't matter I still have the terrible first film. "
ehh he wasn't really involved with the first film and we remember how that turned out XD but yea I believe its a little too soon for a reboot, but as far as the reboot goes, i want it to be darker than the original series, kind of like angel season 2. The campiness was fine in the 90's but i want an ass kicking buffy(and i was a huge fan of the original series minus season 7) 
 
I'm still not a fan that whedon has no involvement, at least consult him on story so it avoids the plot wholes of the first movie
Posted by Silkcuts
@turoksonofstone said:
@Silkcuts said:
" Why does WB try to piss off every creator known to man? "
LMAO!! "This could never happen today!!!" ROFLMAO. "
 = D
Edited by ArtisticNeedham
I don't understand why he cannot be involved, but since no details about what they are doing with Buffy have come out yet (like eliminating her having a circle of friends and making her a Wolverine styled loner),  then I don't see why he is that upset.
I mean, like he said, he wanted Buffy to live on without him.  This could be the start of Buffy becoming more of everyone's character, belonging more to the world.  All great characters eventually weren't worked on in connected to their original creators.
Spider-Man eventually was being made without Stan Lee or Steve Ditko, or even Romita's, imput.
Batman without Bob Kane or Bill Finger.
She could become a character like James Bond, many many many films put out with lots of different writers, directors, and even actors playing him.  Perhaps this is the start of something really good for the character.  Maybe years from now we will look back and be talking about this movie and how it launched a stream of Buffy movies, (like 8 movies, with 3 different Buffys).
Even if its a bad film it could still help her franchise, like some of the Batman films, or Spider-Man 3, or the Wolverine movie, and so on.
 
I have seen creators having to fight for their creation not to be destroyed by the studio or others, like being asked the change the young boy in the comic to a teenager who like to play the drums, or adding Hillary Duff, or doing it all CG. 

I do understand being very protective of his creation, I have my own creations that I would want to be protective of too.  (cough) monkey boy (cough)  But without details about how they are destroying it, I am not sure I should even worry yet.  Once I hear that they are making Buffy the last surviving human and she has to kill the main vampire Giles and her friends, or that they are making her into a drug addicted cyborg played by Miley Cyrus, or a 45 year old single mom who is suddenly pulled back into the life of a slayer when her daughter is kidnapped by Vampires, then I will get upset. 
 
I have often imagined the day I created something so popular that I would give it to someone else to work on, although its usually by choice and not forced like Whedon, and I would watch and see how the other creators added their own ideas and changed things.  Like how Straczynski added his own stuff to Spider-Man, or how Superman was given weakness to Kryptonite by the radio show.  How would my creation grow and change.  Even a bad change isn't permanent.  Maybe this too could happen with Buffy, after this movie maybe a new element would be added to her story that years from now will seem like it was always part of her.
 

But, how does he not have the rights to it?  If he doesn't own the rights, then how is he making Buffy comics?  Is it because Dark Horse has the rights to the comic Buffy and hired him to basically do whatever he wants?
Edited by ZombieFanatic

I'm a huge Buffy fan and i gotta say this is awful!!.......if Whedon isn't involved in the movie i don't give a #$%&.......dare i say boycott!!

Posted by cbishop
@turoksonofstone said:

"LMAO!! "This could never happen today!!!" ROFLMAO. "


@Silkcuts said:
"= D "

No, that's not what I'm saying, because obviously, it did happen.  I'm just saying, "How did it happen today?"  Why would any creator allow their property to be completely taken away from them today, with the probability of marketing residuals that follows every successful property these days?  What was he thinking?
Posted by The Impersonator

We don't need a remake. The TV series is at it's best. Just leave it alone.

Edited by ArtisticNeedham
@cbishop:   I have heard stuff about how easily that can happen.  The studio has you signing these legal things and (from what I am told) are constantly trying to get the rights from you, force you to change your idea or allow them to force you when they want, and its like you have to constantly be jumping these hurdles if you want to get your idea into a movie.  If you want your movie getting made, from what I hear, you have to sacrifice a little creative control, or try your best not to.  You have to get a really good lawyer to make sure you don't get your idea taken from you.  (this is all from talking with someone who was going through this, but just one person and I have never tried this myself, so I don't know how accurate it is).
 
 @The Impersonator:  And if the movie they are making it into now is bad at least Whedon, and the rest of us, can comfort ourselves with the fact that the TV series was good and its all there and will never be touched.  Like when they take a comic and try to make a movie, and its bad, at least its all down on paper in the comic where it will be preserved in its story forever.
Posted by No_Name_

My question is, why are they getting a Buffy Fan-girl to write the script? If I were Whedon, I'd be a little upset, too.

Posted by 4Essence

My take on this, if it's not evident already. In the mainstream vampires are hot. There's no question. Shit, everyone knows this, and they 're banking in on the fad while it lasts. WB wants in too. The last time they had success with a vamp flick was with Interview with a Vampire and then the Lost Boys before that ('94 and '87, respectively). The purchasing of the Buffy franchise gives them the ammo to rejoin the battle; and shit, now that it's a reboot, they have the ability to keep reloading after this flick with sequels. 
 However, because this is a fad, the whole vampire thing is doomed to die - quite possibly after that last Twilight piece of crap debuts. This means they gotta act fast to stay with the trend. Whedon's got his hands full with the Avengers and will for the next few years, and it's quite reasonable to say that he'll be busy with it for a while after. WB's not gonna wait up, so they're doing it without him. 
It's always all about the money. Joss knows that and gave a great response to the whole thing. 

Edited by No_Name_
@cbishop said:
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I don't think they can recapture what made the show popular, for a new film, but if they want to try, then try.  How did Whedon lose the property though?

"
I think WB got the rights to BUFFY (movie) from Kuzui, but they don't own the show's characters.
Posted by didean81

This is a terrible idea.  
 
(1) The fan base for Buffy are avid followers of JOSS WHEDON. Not having him involved is slapping every single person in the face that would be willing to watch the show.  
 
(2) There is still an on-going comic/novel series. It's going to be bizarre to have a reboot of something that hasn't even died and the specific characters haven't been forgotten (Sarah Michelle Geller's image is Buffy).  
 
(3) WB doesn't own Xander, Willow, Spike and Angel. Fox does.
Edited by crusader8463

We will see. It will most likely suck, but I won't condemn the product until I see it. It might actually turn out to be an awesome show.

Posted by comicbikerscott

The comic is still be published by darkhorse so they should just milk the comic until they stop printing it thaen reboot it

Posted by Decept-O

 I've never watched Buffy the TV series for more than a few minutes, and I saw the original movie a long time ago, even I recognize the idea of doing a re-boot is asinine.  
 
That aside, if he sold off the rights , well, honestly, he can't complain too terribly much. It isn't fair, perhaps, yet retrospectively, if that is what transpired, then he can't complain too terribly much.   
 
From a creator's stand point, yeah, that bites...pun intended...but again, if he sold it off and got some greenbacks for it all, well, really, he doesn't have much room to complain.   
 
Unless I missed some key info with this?
Posted by Backflip

I'm not going to lie, this makes me sick. Buffy, to me, is like the Holy Grail of Superb TV Shows. Whedon is like Jesus, in that Buffy is, in my mind, his, and only his.
 
Screw WB.

Posted by cmaprice

Buffy without Joss is like a bath without water.

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Posted by cbishop
@Babs said:
"I think WB got the rights to BUFFY (movie) from Kuzui, but they don't own the show's characters. "

If Whedon sold the rights to Kuzui, Fox, or whoever, he just doesn't have a complaint.  It's like Stan Lee watching other creators work on Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four - it might suck to watch someone else work on his creations, but he doesn't own them, so he moves on to other projects.
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