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Trolling And Comics Don't Have To Mix

Over the weekend a couple of creators came out in support of some women who were targeted and cyber-bullied. Here's why being proactive is a good thing.

The existence of internet trolls is nothing new. Working on the internet that's one of the first things you familiarize yourself with: trolls are everywhere. They don't only exist in the seedy underbelly of the internet that is 4Chan -- they exist in various forums and social media platforms dedicated to the discussion of comics, too. And if you're a girl working in comics (either making them or are reporting on them) or even a fan who happens to be vocal about the depiction of women in comics, you have probably seen your fair share of trolls.

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"MisterE2009" -- whose Twitter comments discriminated against women, were misogynistic and extremely offensive -- were revealed to have been targeting female creators, writers, artists and comic journalists for over two years. Over the weekend "MisterE2009" or "JonVeee," as he is sometimes referred to, was formally called out via Twitter courtesy of comic creators Ron Marz and Mark Millar. Now, many people in the past have stepped up and defended themselves and others against these attacks from this individual, but this was the first time that anyone threatened the anonymous user behind the twitter accounts with legal action.

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Millar has since contacted authorities in California, where the Twitter user lives, and has made an effort to call to arms all the victims of these cyber attacks; asking them to step forward to make a proper case against the man. Let me start off by saying that I don't love KICK-ASS and wasn't crazy about Millar's NEMESIS series. I don't personally believe I am the target audience for a lot of Millar's independent work -- but right now, I feel like his biggest fan. Regardless of whether or not "JonVee" suffers legal ramifications for his actions, his accounts have since been deleted and he's been wiped off the face of the internet -- at least for now. We can all rest easy that this person won't be bothering anyone for the interim, and that's a pretty big win considering what we're dealing with. The internet. A place where you can hide behind a fake name and a fake picture and not have to take any accountability for your actions if you don't want to.

I believe in freedom of speech on the internet. I think it's important. However, I also believe that there are those who use that freedom to hurt other people, and that in itself is a threat to all of our freedoms.

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I can't think of the number of times that I've seen "trolling" or comments that are just so misogynistic and just plain awful and turned a blind eye, looking the other way. The fact that I, and so many others, have become so accustomed to seeing commentary like this, and statements of how "X character would totally rape Y character" is a bad sign. When did I become so immune to comments like this? It's as if you are forced to build this invisible cyber-wall against commentary like that because it's both so frequent and just too offensive to deal with. But we have to deal with them, and we have to try to be proactive.

This sort of thing doesn't just happen in comics, either. This behavior is commonplace in online video game communities where woman are explicitly targeted. Back in June, the creator of a Kickstarter project became a target of sexual harassment and cyber bullying after she launched a campaign to get funding for a video series that would explore the stereotypes of women in video games. The creator, Anita Sarkeesian, was attacked. Her wikipedia page vandalized to the point that Wikipedia was forced to lock it down. So should she, and should anyone just accept that it's "just the internet" and that these things will happen? Why should this behavior be tolerated? And why does it feel like it's so heavily embedded in "geek culture"?

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OK. So, why am I writing about this on a comic website since it doesn't directly pertain to events in comics? I would argue that it does directly pertain to comics. The bottom line is, the industry is changing. More and more women are taking trips to comic shops and falling in love with characters like Batman and Captain America -- and in turn, they are helping shape and evolve this industry. They are discovering this amazing, creative and vibrant genre that is comics and they are in turn influencing the types of books that you and I read everyday by speaking with their dollars. And frankly, I don't want that influence to dissipate. Today, we have titles that feature strong female characters from both of the big two, and that is a great thing -- and a big improvement from what comics were like 20 years ago. Sure there can be more improvements, but change isn't going to come overnight. So while it doesn't necessarily relate directly to comic books, Comic Vine is an internet community. It's a social platform for people to talk about their favorite books and characters without having to suffer discrimination for their sex, gender or what have you. I for one think it's great that Millar and Marz both stepped up in defense of those people who were being harassed, and I think we should all take a hint from both these gents.

If you want to read more about the events that led up to all of this, check out Heidi MacDonald's THE BEAT where she discusses being directly attacked by the individual as well as Millar's forums. What do you think of all of this? What do you think of online forums dedicated to comics? Feel free to share your experiences below.

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@Babs: Babs, you know trolls are what keep this site alive.

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Honestly I have to come to expect the trolling to the point I only peek my head in certain sites to test the waters. I don't enjoy the unpleasantness and it's not worth it.

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The comments that guy was leaving were very offensive I don't like the new captain marvel either but this dude really took it too far.

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You can't legislate morality.

For me it isn't so much the trolls that bother me. I can ignore them. But then there are the troll baiters who just like to play poke-a-troll and watch it scream. They are trolls as well IMO. So childish.

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I don't think trolls understand. Even if you hide behind the internet Batman will find you. He has no jurisdiction.

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Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. A block on any speech is a block on all speech. (Excluding where danger and violence is being openly promoted and is an immediate danger.)

P.S. How is sex different from gender?

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Trolls, haha. A troll is a fictional creature. It's only been coined by someone in this context as they can obviously think of no better description. It's like people using the word kids for children.

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@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

Politics and Comics.... sigh.

QFT. This guy though, if he made threats, should get deleted. But I get where you're coming from -- I want plots in my comics, not politics. This though seems to be around the edges of the comic forums, so I don't mind a smackdown on persistent harassers...

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He was making threats against people not just being a run of the mill troll. I think the article may not have stated that strongly enough for some people. Either way it was mentioned all over the comments section. The whole look at my divisive opinion in the comments schtick gets a little old.

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@k4tzm4n said:

Good read.

The Newsroom had a great scene on trolls (I believe in the episode "Bullies"). Basically, Will McAvoy went on a rant about how the majority are cowards who hide behind the illusion of safety that comes with anonymity. I guarantee a vast majority these people would never act in such a manner when discussing something face-to-face.

Depends on the person, When I was on yahoo ( which is a voice chatroom ) about 5 years ago I was drunk and had someone threaten me and my family and I shot my gun off and like 5 minutes later the police banged on my door and had their fire arms out and told me to get my hands up and then they sent me to a hospital and like 4 hours later I got released.

So instead of coming to mess with my family the gun shot scared them so badley they called the police on me... trust me the majority of people who do talk crap on here are cowards..... If they had your address they wouldnt do squat, people online have had my address for about 7 years and I still aint got one knock...lol

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I'm all for freedom of speech but it becomes a problem when you actually threaten a person through any medium be it in person or over the internet. Harassment and threats are not things to be taken lightly. I spent most of my time in middle school and high school being threatened by bullies and more than half of them had lockers searched for weapons and were even suspended from school. My point is that there is a line and it's obvious that this guy crossed it one too many times.

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Freely exchanging and expressing ideas and opinions is one thing. Simulating the felony assault of a woman offends simple, human decency.

It's somehow become acceptable for people on the Internet to be disrespectful, tasteless, and hateful. It's the reason no one likes to read YouTube comments (or the comments on almost any web page).

This is the only online community in which I choose participate because it actively enforces a code of conduct.