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Trolling And Comics Don't Have To Mix

Over the weekend a couple of creators came out in support of some women who were targeted and cyber-bullied. Here's why being proactive is a good thing.

The existence of internet trolls is nothing new. Working on the internet that's one of the first things you familiarize yourself with: trolls are everywhere. They don't only exist in the seedy underbelly of the internet that is 4Chan -- they exist in various forums and social media platforms dedicated to the discussion of comics, too. And if you're a girl working in comics (either making them or are reporting on them) or even a fan who happens to be vocal about the depiction of women in comics, you have probably seen your fair share of trolls.

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"MisterE2009" -- whose Twitter comments discriminated against women, were misogynistic and extremely offensive -- were revealed to have been targeting female creators, writers, artists and comic journalists for over two years. Over the weekend "MisterE2009" or "JonVeee," as he is sometimes referred to, was formally called out via Twitter courtesy of comic creators Ron Marz and Mark Millar. Now, many people in the past have stepped up and defended themselves and others against these attacks from this individual, but this was the first time that anyone threatened the anonymous user behind the twitter accounts with legal action.

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Millar has since contacted authorities in California, where the Twitter user lives, and has made an effort to call to arms all the victims of these cyber attacks; asking them to step forward to make a proper case against the man. Let me start off by saying that I don't love KICK-ASS and wasn't crazy about Millar's NEMESIS series. I don't personally believe I am the target audience for a lot of Millar's independent work -- but right now, I feel like his biggest fan. Regardless of whether or not "JonVee" suffers legal ramifications for his actions, his accounts have since been deleted and he's been wiped off the face of the internet -- at least for now. We can all rest easy that this person won't be bothering anyone for the interim, and that's a pretty big win considering what we're dealing with. The internet. A place where you can hide behind a fake name and a fake picture and not have to take any accountability for your actions if you don't want to.

I believe in freedom of speech on the internet. I think it's important. However, I also believe that there are those who use that freedom to hurt other people, and that in itself is a threat to all of our freedoms.

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I can't think of the number of times that I've seen "trolling" or comments that are just so misogynistic and just plain awful and turned a blind eye, looking the other way. The fact that I, and so many others, have become so accustomed to seeing commentary like this, and statements of how "X character would totally rape Y character" is a bad sign. When did I become so immune to comments like this? It's as if you are forced to build this invisible cyber-wall against commentary like that because it's both so frequent and just too offensive to deal with. But we have to deal with them, and we have to try to be proactive.

This sort of thing doesn't just happen in comics, either. This behavior is commonplace in online video game communities where woman are explicitly targeted. Back in June, the creator of a Kickstarter project became a target of sexual harassment and cyber bullying after she launched a campaign to get funding for a video series that would explore the stereotypes of women in video games. The creator, Anita Sarkeesian, was attacked. Her wikipedia page vandalized to the point that Wikipedia was forced to lock it down. So should she, and should anyone just accept that it's "just the internet" and that these things will happen? Why should this behavior be tolerated? And why does it feel like it's so heavily embedded in "geek culture"?

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OK. So, why am I writing about this on a comic website since it doesn't directly pertain to events in comics? I would argue that it does directly pertain to comics. The bottom line is, the industry is changing. More and more women are taking trips to comic shops and falling in love with characters like Batman and Captain America -- and in turn, they are helping shape and evolve this industry. They are discovering this amazing, creative and vibrant genre that is comics and they are in turn influencing the types of books that you and I read everyday by speaking with their dollars. And frankly, I don't want that influence to dissipate. Today, we have titles that feature strong female characters from both of the big two, and that is a great thing -- and a big improvement from what comics were like 20 years ago. Sure there can be more improvements, but change isn't going to come overnight. So while it doesn't necessarily relate directly to comic books, Comic Vine is an internet community. It's a social platform for people to talk about their favorite books and characters without having to suffer discrimination for their sex, gender or what have you. I for one think it's great that Millar and Marz both stepped up in defense of those people who were being harassed, and I think we should all take a hint from both these gents.

If you want to read more about the events that led up to all of this, check out Heidi MacDonald's THE BEAT where she discusses being directly attacked by the individual as well as Millar's forums. What do you think of all of this? What do you think of online forums dedicated to comics? Feel free to share your experiences below.

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@jinxuandi said:

@Rumble Man: Most other civilized countries have laws against hate speech. The U.S. probably would as well if there wasn't a large portion of the populace that placed adherence to a document written by some rich white men in the 1780s above human rights and dignity.

Wait, you mean freedom of speech DOSN'T mean I'm allowed as a 'murrican to harass people all day over the internet, but rather is a statement that the Government can't arrest me for criticizing it?

The "suck it up" excuse is only used by people who have never been properly harassed. Internet harassment is real, it's cyber bullying, and it needs to stop.

For a bunch of people who grew up idolizing superheros, this shouldn't be hard to figure out.

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@Rumble Man said:

@.Longshot.: no probs

back then when people bring an opinion they have to prepare for the consequences

now it is the same

Yeah. No matter how ugly it gets, it's preferable to getting burned at the stake. Doesn't mean we should stop fighting this kind of unwarranted hate and the practice of abuse as self-amusement, but we should at least look back and admire the improvement.

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If I was targeted by a cyber-bully, what would I do?

Give the goon a real-life punch in the face.

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@allthatsgeek said:

Wait, you mean freedom of speech DOSN'T mean I'm allowed as a 'murrican to harass people all day over the internet, but rather is a statement that the Government can't arrest me for criticizing it?

The "suck it up" excuse is only used by people who have never been properly harassed. Internet harassment is real, it's cyber bullying, and it needs to stop.

For a bunch of people who grew up idolizing superheros, this shouldn't be hard to figure out.

You just won at America.
You just won at America.

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don't go to the x-men cbr forums them is crazy

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I am so glad that this article is written, we have been flooded by media (movies, commercial, internet) to think sarcasm and rude commentaries to be so ordinary that most think it's normal to act and behave in that manner. I am also guilty of saying or writing words that may have been let out without proper forethought to its effect towards the receiver. Kudos to Babs and the rest of the comicvine followers. Humanity is still worth believing on.

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There is no room for trolls in the internet.

If you happen to stumble across a troll, pay it no attention. If the troll continues to be a problem, you can either go Hollywood on its ass, which involves gasoline and a book of matches, or you can go midevil on its ass, which involves an angry mob chasing that troll back under its bridge.

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Hi

Im new here I am a designer in the disguise of a costume/cosplay model ;-)

I say it that way not to sound obnoxious but because I'm actually about to launch my first line of costumes and kick off my business in a few weeks, all comics, steampunk, and videogame to start and hopefully to be continued with if it all goes well,

Anyway, quite a few people lately have decided to email or send notes on deviant art or on my modeling page to tell me I will fail

I am used to them being picky about my costumes, sometimes I take creative liberties and I know I will get problems from them but lately with the business about to finally come into the light these people just get worse! and I am in shock that it just kept happening, I started to lose some confidence and then I read this and it reminded me I am not the only one being attack for things

thank you for reminding me I'm not alone

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Whaaa I have boobs and I'm bullied.

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Good article, and something that should definitely be said especially as the industry/culture grows out to wider audiences. Trolling anywhere is stupid, but using freedom of speech to defend hate speech is stupider.

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@TheCrowbar said:

@Babs: Loved the article! But 4chan isn't the seedy underbelly of the internet.

Also is there a way to keep taps on Millar's actions? I guess this whole thing proves James (Robinson) right, what with his annoyance over people with anonymous twitter accounts.

James was ever so right. I see it all the time, people hide behind their screen and say some pretty nasty things. If I didn't learn that most people are idiots in high school, that might bother me somehow. Fake accounts work just as good as anonymous accounts.

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@JohnnyWalker: indeed

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@I'maDC/ImageGuy! said:

Isn't that the woman who said "It's okay for a guy to be wrongly accused of raping a woman, because he'll learn how to behave around them next time?"

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All I can say is that Storm is awesome!

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fact is, guys think it's cool to tease girls about liking stuff that stereotypically is meant for boys. This has been socially acceptable forever, but women are finally growing tired of it. The same thing happened with the capcom sexual thing that was reported over at GiantBomb a few months back about these same types of comments mentioned to girls at competitions.

I don't really see the point behind defending some kind of male empowerment with comics and video games. My girlfriend loves videogames, comics, and I'm slowly trying to get her into anime (she still thinks it's stupid but thinks hentai is awesome... also not my intention)

I don't see how this guy is any different from someone violating user policies vs someone being racist, making threats against political figures, saying they're going to shoot up schools, blow something up, yada yada.

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It's so strange to me how people turn from douche to ultra douche as soon as they get in front if a computer screen. In my day to day life I'm kind of a sour, misanthropic loner who hates everything. But when I'm on sites like this I often find myself to be one of the more upbeat and positive users. The internet is one of the only places I don't make snide negative comments. Just being around men and WOMEN who share a love for comics makes me happy.

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This was a really good article Sara. I am all for freedom of speech, but there comes a point when people have to exercise their freedom responsibly. The person @MisterE2009 or whatever else he called himself clearly has some anger issues toward woman. Looking at some of his posts its clear to me that psychological help is needed. The real problem is not really with this guy, though he clearly has problems, its that some people still think this is acceptable behavior and are unwilling or incapable of behaving online. The way I look at it is to treat the freedom of expression we enjoy on the internet like you would your regualr life, you are free to do whatever you want as long as it does not impeed the freedom of others.

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I hope some serious legal action does get taken against this cur. Not because of any personal feelings, but guys who rip on women need to get kicked in the...

Well, yeah...

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While I don't agree with what this MisterE2009 said, from the little I can find, it is really nothing more than the same old shit that I have heard from others jerks to other people. The only thing that differentiates this from many of the similar comments I've seen throughout the internet is that "we" know that he is talking about a woman and they are of some level of fame. So what this says really is "it's ok to use this language as long as the target isn't female or famous."

Also, people should drop the "mysogyny" and feminist rhetoric. This type of stuff isn't bad because it is direct towards women. It is bad because the guy's an asshole, and everyone like him needs to stop and/or be brought to justice. Both of which will never happen because most of these thing aren't directed at famous people or women.

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Sorry, but regarding Anita Sarkeesian, she deserves every bit of trolling simply because she scammed thousands of gullible, downright stupid people out of their money.

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@soduh2: She also trolled people to make a youtube segment telling people that women are tropes in vidya games and portrayed as sexist objects for having unrealistic anatomy. Only to prove that the male demographic is sexist and got money out of it through kickstart .

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@GokaiFire: in the UK it is, section 5 public order.

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@allthatsgeek:

Wait, you mean freedom of speech DOSN'T mean I'm allowed as a 'murrican to harass people all day over the internet, but rather is a statement that the Government can't arrest me for criticizing it?
The "suck it up" excuse is only used by people who have never been properly harassed. Internet harassment is real, it's cyber bullying, and it needs to stop.
For a bunch of people who grew up idolizing superheros, this shouldn't be hard to figure out.

I got to cv because I am a fan of the rogues, but I get your point.

@.Longshot.:

Yeah. No matter how ugly it gets, it's preferable to getting burned at the stake. Doesn't mean we should stop fighting this kind of unwarranted hate and the practice of abuse as self-amusement, but we should at least look back and admire the improvement.

Not really self- amusement, because some of those acts of slander and hate can be politically, economically or religiously used to target people. Consequences happen to everyone, not only bad people but good ones as well. Because their opinions can be turned against them.

Better in the internet than in real life, sometimes even the good guys who want change does not stand strong enough against the status quo. People die for racial equality, so its a beware and be careful to both sides.

@Bobzenub: Is she the one that screwed up Tvtropes?

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@JohnnyWalker said:

@Babs: he's been spewing that kind of crap (pardon my language) for over 2 years. if he meant anything he said, he wouldve done it by now. he is just misogynistic. he wants attention which is provided now by the truckload. if the authorities get involved he will get what? a fine, maybe a restraining order. he'll back online the next day using different accounts, IPs. ignoring him is the best solution. trolls get bored after a while. this guy however is still trolling after 2 years. fine. let him type whatever he wants till his fingers bleed. does anything he says matter? after 2 years?

Just because he's been doing this for so long doesn't mean people have to accept it being done now. And as you say he is just out for attention, well now he is getting it from a man in a blue uniform amongst others. And a good thing to.

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Very good article!

In my opinion people need to step forward and start to address those things to improve the internet which is a very important media or maybe is already the most significant media we have.

I think internet has to evolve more but needs a lot of time to do that.

On the other hand it's the humans (or people) who need to change but maybe never change and that is another tricky story.

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@NightFang said:

@Funrush said:

@Babs said:

@JohnnyWalker said:

god, you make him soud like a serial killer finally aprehended. ever heard of 'sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me'? ignore him, dont read his stuff. no biggie. everybody sees him as trolling, nobody will give him any credibility. there are some real sickos out there and this deserves attention from the authorities? 'he wrote something bad about me. wha'. priorities people. he isnt the first or the last.

Not sure if you knew, but he made some threats to some people.

Out of curiosity, what kind of threats did he make?

Follow link to Bleeding Cool below.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/01/comics-vs-mistere2009/

Oh, wow. That guy's an asshole.

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This is simply internet bullying. This is what teenagers do to their classmates they don't like for whatever reason. Everyone screams outrage then but when it happens to adults its the same thing and should be treated as such. There's still a stigma on adults being bullied, yet it happens everyday. In the workplace etc. To me it should be treated the same way, it's wrong. The man should be held accountable for his actions.

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Why are you even giving attention to those trolls.

The best way to fight them still is to ignore them. Don't give them the attention they seek out. No mentioning them, their ids, etc. Just block them.

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I Love this article. I've been waiting for somebody to address this issue for quite some time now and I must say Babs did it with a skill few people posses. My hats off to you Babs!!!

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It's sad that sexism in comic book and the community still exists. You would think that everyone is equal in the comic book community with comics like X-Men and Wonder Woman. Maybe they should make a new comic focusing on feminist topics again. The only one that comes to my mind right now that is good for feminist topics is Batwoman.

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@I'maDC/ImageGuy!: For the record, I am a feminist. But I don't agree with a lot of what Anita has to say. Still, regardless of my sentiments, I don't think people should have "trolled" her the way they did on their Wikipedia page. Aside from the fact that it's terrible behavior, there's a bigger issue, too. Trolling her Wikipedia page, calling her names and degrading her is only proving her point and giving her fuel for a fire. So no matter how you look at it, it did more harm than good.

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its easy for you people that say, "just ignore it" to say that now when you are not the focus of trolling. not to mention, every person has their right to react however they want within reason if they are being trolled and should not be pigeon holed to your belief of "just ignore it"

in fact, you people going with the "just ignore it" mentality are actually enabling people who want to be ugly on the internet. if you overhear people treating others like that face to face, would you ignore it then too?

while i'm glad something was done about the case mentioned in the article, there will always be trolling on the internet. its too easy for people hidden behind a computer screen to act like jerks or worse whenever they want due to they think bringing other people down will help their self esteem.

until more people believe that you should treat people from behind a computer screen the same way you treat them face to face, trolling will be a problem on the internet.

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@Babs:

I think if someone is being threatened then the authorities should be contacted but I don't think that trolling should be an arrestable offence.

What even consitutes trolling? I think there is too much ambiguity in a lot of cases. The internet is primarily text based. Trolling while irritating isn't always deliberate. Things get lost in translation because tone isn't always apparent or because people just aren't informed on what they are talking about or because they are communicating in a second language . People can also have terrible or very different sense of humours and things get taken up wrong.

I think every internet community should have a set of rules that says what will be condoned and what won't be condoned which should includes racial attacks, homophobia and misgynostics comments and largely that is the case for most forums. I think this kind of thing is pushing us further in a police state.

Although I'm personally so sick of seeing the rape jokes. They are utterly disgusting.

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I had a guy use the 'F' word on me over Krypto the superdog of all things over at Youtube, and even on this website somebody got verbally nasty when I gave my opinion on Wolverine and Storm a while ago. I don't mind if we don't agree on some things, but using nasty language hurts.

Man, Freedom of Speech is great and all, but why are there some people who will only go on the internet just to be mean?

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Hey, 4chan's /co/ (Comics board), loves comics, and has some pretty serious in-depth discussions. Don't equate the entire site to the shit-hole that is /b/, that's pretty discriminatory.

Great article, btw.

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This is so medieval.

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@JohnnyWalker said:

god, you make him soud like a serial killer finally aprehended. ever heard of 'sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me'? ignore him, dont read his stuff. no biggie. everybody sees him as trolling, nobody will give him any credibility. there are some real sickos out there and this deserves attention from the authorities? 'he wrote something bad about me. wha'. priorities people. he isnt the first or the last.

If someone is being a total jacka** at a party, yelling at people and being a general scumbag, you can just say "Oh just ignore him." Or you can go ahead, grab him and toss him the f*** out. Yeah, he's not like THE WORST person ever, but everyone will still feel better that they don't have to deal with his s*** for a while.

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Would we all love for the internet to be a warm, fuzzy place where everyone is nice? Sure. Is that what it is? No.

And its NOT immunity and its NOT a 'blind eye'.... we are not 'desensitized'... what we are is cynical and wary of TROLLS. Cynical because we don't actually believe these people are for real, most of the time because they are not.

Trolls do not necessarily believe the crap they say or post. They are the jackasses of the internet, willing to make the most offensive statements for the sake of being offensive.... it does not equate to being a criminal. If that were the case, then Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and Andrew Dice Clay should all be in prison (well, 2 are dead of course, but that's beside the point). But wait... their 'offensive' language was ironic, so we can laugh and pat ourselves on the back for such cerebral thoughts and accept it. The moment some dimwitted offensive jerk shows up, we suddenly want to crucify the person. Which, if you really broke down and analyzed the kind of motivations that drive these sort of people, is EXACTLY what they want. Holy crap, MisterE2009 has been singled out by a POPULAR COMIC BOOK NAME, MARK MILLAR. Think about it. While the scumbag might have withdrawn due to legal threats... on another level, that guy just WON. Seriously.

There is a line between Trolling and Harassment. One calls for action, the other just calls for indifference. While Mistere2009 is a sick and offensive person, no matter how mad we get, we have to keep it in perspective. If I say something that someone disagrees with, I'd hate to think that rallying a band of people with mob mentality can suddenly call for me getting into legal troubles over it.

Ban MisterE2009? Yes, please. Take social and communal actions against him? Absolutely! But trying to have him in handcuffs or maybe a lawsuit? Why? Are you saying that in this enlightened group of people, the only way we can figure out to deal with offensive behavior is to respond in some near-fascist manner? That's a little sad to me in all honestly.

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@JohnnyWalker said:

god, you make him soud like a serial killer finally aprehended. ever heard of 'sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me'? ignore him, dont read his stuff. no biggie. everybody sees him as trolling, nobody will give him any credibility. there are some real sickos out there and this deserves attention from the authorities? 'he wrote something bad about me. wha'. priorities people. he isnt the first or the last.

If someone is being a total jacka** at a party, yelling at people and being a general scumbag, you can just say "Oh just ignore him." Or you can go ahead, grab him and toss him the f*** out. Yeah, he's not like THE WORST person ever, but everyone will still feel better that they don't have to deal with his s*** for a while.

"Toss him the f*** out". Sure, I'll come help you!! You get the legs, I'll get the head and I know a steep hill we can throw him down.

But calling the cops to toss him in jail or trying to get a lawyer to sue? I can't get behind that. Fighting fire with an atom bomb means we all get f***d and is good for no one in the big picture.

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People seem to think being a dick on the internet is ok since your not doing it "in person". These people dont understand or seem to care that people being dicks anywhere for any reasosn are stains on humanity.

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Thanks for reporting on this Sara good to raise awareness.

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@ThomasElliot said:

Would we all love for the internet to be a warm, fuzzy place where everyone is nice? Sure. Is that what it is? No.

And its NOT immunity and its NOT a 'blind eye'.... we are not 'desensitized'... what we are is cynical and wary of TROLLS. Cynical because we don't actually believe these people are for real, most of the time because they are not.

Trolls do not necessarily believe the crap they say or post. They are the jackasses of the internet, willing to make the most offensive statements for the sake of being offensive.... it does not equate to being a criminal. If that were the case, then Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and Andrew Dice Clay should all be in prison (well, 2 are dead of course, but that's beside the point). But wait... their 'offensive' language was ironic, so we can laugh and pat ourselves on the back for such cerebral thoughts and accept it. The moment some dimwitted offensive jerk shows up, we suddenly want to crucify the person. Which, if you really broke down and analyzed the kind of motivations that drive these sort of people, is EXACTLY what they want. Holy crap, MisterE2009 has been singled out by a POPULAR COMIC BOOK NAME, MARK MILLAR. Think about it. While the scumbag might have withdrawn due to legal threats... on another level, that guy just WON. Seriously.

There is a line between Trolling and Harassment. One calls for action, the other just calls for indifference. While Mistere2009 is a sick and offensive person, no matter how mad we get, we have to keep it in perspective. If I say something that someone disagrees with, I'd hate to think that rallying a band of people with mob mentality can suddenly call for me getting into legal troubles over it.

Ban MisterE2009? Yes, please. Take social and communal actions against him? Absolutely! But trying to have him in handcuffs or maybe a lawsuit? Why? Are you saying that in this enlightened group of people, the only way we can figure out to deal with offensive behavior is to respond in some near-fascist manner? That's a little sad to me in all honestly.

While I get the perspective in which you approached this, it's a bit extreme to apply a logic that calls for an opposite in reaction. Its like suggesting we should ignore killers and not report their crimes because he/she might be killing for the attention (an extreme comparison). Also, it is still an assumption this particular individual has posted his comments just for attention like most internet trolls -- it is also plausible he is just a really horrible, sadistic human being. Who knows. But there are victims. And I don't think the attention Mr. Millar has placed on him is one he wants. Because you see --- his identity has been revealed. He can't hide any more.

Which brings me to your other point about Bruce, Carlin, Clay and even Tosh right now. Again, the difference is lack of anonymity. These individuals have braved and suffered through prosecution, jail and death threats and have done so with their names and faces plastered across newspapers, television and now computer screens. So no --- do not equate this individual with these gentlemen. They were making a point of calling out the hypocrisy of society accepting spoon-fed idealism the entertainment industry was shoving down our throats. They were and are still pioneers in their field and to be commended. This poor sap is just sick.

His behaviour was not offensive. It was harassing and slanderous and destructive. And threatening. Very, very threatening. Maybe I should apply the mentality of how violence gets stronger and stronger if left unchecked? If not addressed, maybe this individual would have taken it further and attempted to carry out his threats? Not impossible. And I would much rather be proactive than reactive.

But oh yes -- I agree wholeheartedly with you about him being a slum-bag. And I have some real concerns about the people in his life who are going to suffer because of this (of which Millar from the get-go has been advocating the pubic leave alone because they are innocents caught up in this.)

Edited to add: I really didn't mean to come across aggressively. I read over what I wrote and I think I did, so I apologize. I do know what you mean and its a slippery slope. We need to tread this carefully because privacy rights in regards to the internet is very important and something governments appear to be too eager in taking advantage of. Caution is definitely needed so voices like yours are absolutely essential. :)

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I hope nothing comes out of this. People need to suck it up and ignore the trolls because having your feeling hurt is not an actual crime. Get the hell over it.

no but harassment is an actual crime

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Great article!

Sometimes people's crass or bizarre remarks online are actually very funny but then there are those people with very dark intentions and bizarre resentments/prejudices. It can be tough to get justice when it does go to the place too because where does free speech end and abuse begin? In this case though, it's quite clear. It's something that I see a lot and object to very ardently whenever I can. People make extremely casual references to rape all to frequently and do use words like "whore" quite a bit as well in inappropriate places.

I wrote a blog a while back about how I noticed that on Youtube there are a lot of fetish videos of female superheroes being beaten into submission (as well as scenes from movies and such). I posed the question "What can we do about this?" and the response was mostly "You can't prevent it, there isn't a point in fighting it" and while I understand that response, I don't think that's the case. If one or two people talk about it in a way that's articulate and thoughtful it will influence people to be more mindful themselves. Awareness is the first and biggest step in almost any movement no matter how big or small.

It's similar to how I felt about some of the more exploitative things I've seen with regards to women in comics, we need to really refine our behavior. Not being on the side of positive change often results in things becoming antiquated and with comics it can sometimes be a very rocky road. I want to see a whole, wide spectrum of shades as to what a comic book can be and so long as ONE HALF the world's population feels alienated and exploited or harassed that can't really happen.

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Hmmm guess I've been lucky to have never personally interacted with people like this.

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@Rumble Man: I meant the people who deface people's Wikipedia pages with porn and racial slurs or make tasteless 'get back in the kitchen' jokes simply because no one is able to physically walk up and punch them. There are people out there who take their hate speech seriously, and that's equally heartbreaking.

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Great article. 
 
There is so much i would want to say and discuss personally. Talk about the definition of troll and its application online versus people lashing out or just being hostile and aggressive, or beyond that to aggressively threatening. Gender differences? Cultural differences? How much things such as popularity and regulation factor in, when if people deserve things do they deserve things? How to deal with problem makers online? So on. You know for every cut and dried case of people bullying, trolling, mocking or insulting others, I have seen examples of it happening where everyone just shuts up including the people who are designed to keep things in check, and I have seen it on this website too. As far as trolling versus peoples sincere personalities and tendencies to be aggressive and insulting well contrary to popular opinion ignoring either doesn't actually tend to stop either. This is typically because trolls have various aims and goals and sometimes people ignoring them is one such goal or aim. That and people lacking a filter that tells them when something is inappropriate don't just grow filters over night. The best way to deal with trolls is with a controlled reaction. People don't have to take everything personally. As important to remember is that not everyone is equipped to be able to control their reactions and everyones threshold is the different. Just because a person isn't bothered by something doesn't mean they can't realize or identify someone else is taking it too far or someone else is having to put up with something they don't have to.  
 
On CV I have seen people attacked by others under the guise of knowledge or education, people attacked for gender reasons, racial reasons, mental health reasons, and not always through trolling, sometimes just by lack of priorities like a poster deserving to be corrected for liking a character too much or for acting a bit strangely. Apparently not knowing enough about a communities self constructed ideas of logic is enough to gang up and hound posters. This is a great article I hope it gets a nudge to all those whose priorities mean creating a welcome and friendly website for all people to do just a little extra more. The case highlighted I like how the person is getting reprimanded, only its such a relatively extreme case to a common occurrence and in those smaller moments where things aren't as cut and dry or black and white, well then apparently silence becomes a virtue or the person just deserved it.   

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All the people on here who are saying something to the extent of "they are just words and people shouldn't let it bother them" need to consider a few things...

First, when such verbal abuse is relentless, it can't help but ruin someones experience. If every time someone logs onto a forum or a social media site and they are bombarded with rude, offensive or even threatening remarks, they will eventually use it less and less and may even stop entirely. Such things are meant to be public and no person should be chased away because other go out of their way to take the fun or comfort away from them.

Second, we all need to remember that outsiders often look at the worst cases to define a group they are unsure of. People who behave like this and make such crass remarks are a terrible representation of the comic community, but many will assume it is common place. This could lead to us being pigeon-holed into a category we don't belong and can scare women away from ever getting interested in comics for assuming it is all a big "Man's club"

Can legal action be taken against such individuals? Well Beyond the ones who make threats, no. However that doesn't mean we should sit idly by. We can make the mediums just as unpleasant for such people by retaliating when they go out of line, show them how far in the minority they are and make them want to use the service less and less. If nothing else the rest of us need to make out voice against such behavior even louder to let the rest of the world know that as whole we do not feel the same way and that the comic community welcomes all peoples regardless of race, gender, religion, political views and so on.

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@Beast_in_the_Shadows said:

Second, we all need to remember that outsiders often look at the worst cases to define a group they are unsure of. People who behave like this and make such crass remarks are a terrible representation of the comic community, but many will assume it is common place. This could lead to us being pigeon-holed into a category we don't belong and can scare women away from ever getting interested in comics for assuming it is all a big "Man's club"

Absolutely true, and one of the reasons that I still hear the phrase, "Oh, I didn't think girls read comics." An assumption that's absolutely ludicrous to anyone who has ever been to a ComicCon...or knows Babs. :D

Righteous article. Keep up the good work!