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Trolling And Comics Don't Have To Mix

Over the weekend a couple of creators came out in support of some women who were targeted and cyber-bullied. Here's why being proactive is a good thing.

The existence of internet trolls is nothing new. Working on the internet that's one of the first things you familiarize yourself with: trolls are everywhere. They don't only exist in the seedy underbelly of the internet that is 4Chan -- they exist in various forums and social media platforms dedicated to the discussion of comics, too. And if you're a girl working in comics (either making them or are reporting on them) or even a fan who happens to be vocal about the depiction of women in comics, you have probably seen your fair share of trolls.

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"MisterE2009" -- whose Twitter comments discriminated against women, were misogynistic and extremely offensive -- were revealed to have been targeting female creators, writers, artists and comic journalists for over two years. Over the weekend "MisterE2009" or "JonVeee," as he is sometimes referred to, was formally called out via Twitter courtesy of comic creators Ron Marz and Mark Millar. Now, many people in the past have stepped up and defended themselves and others against these attacks from this individual, but this was the first time that anyone threatened the anonymous user behind the twitter accounts with legal action.

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Millar has since contacted authorities in California, where the Twitter user lives, and has made an effort to call to arms all the victims of these cyber attacks; asking them to step forward to make a proper case against the man. Let me start off by saying that I don't love KICK-ASS and wasn't crazy about Millar's NEMESIS series. I don't personally believe I am the target audience for a lot of Millar's independent work -- but right now, I feel like his biggest fan. Regardless of whether or not "JonVee" suffers legal ramifications for his actions, his accounts have since been deleted and he's been wiped off the face of the internet -- at least for now. We can all rest easy that this person won't be bothering anyone for the interim, and that's a pretty big win considering what we're dealing with. The internet. A place where you can hide behind a fake name and a fake picture and not have to take any accountability for your actions if you don't want to.

I believe in freedom of speech on the internet. I think it's important. However, I also believe that there are those who use that freedom to hurt other people, and that in itself is a threat to all of our freedoms.

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I can't think of the number of times that I've seen "trolling" or comments that are just so misogynistic and just plain awful and turned a blind eye, looking the other way. The fact that I, and so many others, have become so accustomed to seeing commentary like this, and statements of how "X character would totally rape Y character" is a bad sign. When did I become so immune to comments like this? It's as if you are forced to build this invisible cyber-wall against commentary like that because it's both so frequent and just too offensive to deal with. But we have to deal with them, and we have to try to be proactive.

This sort of thing doesn't just happen in comics, either. This behavior is commonplace in online video game communities where woman are explicitly targeted. Back in June, the creator of a Kickstarter project became a target of sexual harassment and cyber bullying after she launched a campaign to get funding for a video series that would explore the stereotypes of women in video games. The creator, Anita Sarkeesian, was attacked. Her wikipedia page vandalized to the point that Wikipedia was forced to lock it down. So should she, and should anyone just accept that it's "just the internet" and that these things will happen? Why should this behavior be tolerated? And why does it feel like it's so heavily embedded in "geek culture"?

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OK. So, why am I writing about this on a comic website since it doesn't directly pertain to events in comics? I would argue that it does directly pertain to comics. The bottom line is, the industry is changing. More and more women are taking trips to comic shops and falling in love with characters like Batman and Captain America -- and in turn, they are helping shape and evolve this industry. They are discovering this amazing, creative and vibrant genre that is comics and they are in turn influencing the types of books that you and I read everyday by speaking with their dollars. And frankly, I don't want that influence to dissipate. Today, we have titles that feature strong female characters from both of the big two, and that is a great thing -- and a big improvement from what comics were like 20 years ago. Sure there can be more improvements, but change isn't going to come overnight. So while it doesn't necessarily relate directly to comic books, Comic Vine is an internet community. It's a social platform for people to talk about their favorite books and characters without having to suffer discrimination for their sex, gender or what have you. I for one think it's great that Millar and Marz both stepped up in defense of those people who were being harassed, and I think we should all take a hint from both these gents.

If you want to read more about the events that led up to all of this, check out Heidi MacDonald's THE BEAT where she discusses being directly attacked by the individual as well as Millar's forums. What do you think of all of this? What do you think of online forums dedicated to comics? Feel free to share your experiences below.

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@ubbak said:

@Magicallystoopid: "while I don't produce or make any video series anywhere, seems like a stupidly high cost to produce a show when an HD camera, microphone, and edition software can cost 250 at least."

The last part of that quote made the first part pretty redundant. You CAN get some basic editions of each for maybe $250 each (making the total $1,000 before you've even gone into production) but if you want to actually make something that looks professional, as opposed to like a home movie or low quality YouTube video, you need to shell out some actual cash.

Decent "prosumer" camera's start in the $5,000 area. If you want a professional camera you're talking like $25,000 before you've even bought a single lens.

That's not even counting mics (professional lavalier's are $2,000 each plus the base which is $1,000) or professional editing software (Final Cut 7 WAS $1,200 before they discontinued it, now you're lucky if you can find a version of it on eBay for less than $3,000).

Bottom line: video production isn't cheap by any stretch of the imagination. Especially if you want to make a series.

Like I said I never pretend to know what it costs to make a online video show. But I'm still very sure it doesn't cost 150,000 grand to make a series. Even by those figures 50,000 is a stretch.

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Good read and I fully support getting rid of this huge amount of hate speech that has been increasing for no logical reason as of late.... People that say suck it up or sticks and stones about this subject are likely all male and have no clue or want one on how hard it is to be the so called second class sex, race, religion, and etc... Woman get crap for stuff that men are praised for and male dominant society on average put down woman as second rate and that is something that needs to stop. I am male and I my self have said some things before that I did not truely mean when I was around male friends and I feel bad for it, but the stuff I see spew out on the internet and in life is just beyond disgusting!

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Good article, I'm hoping the stopping of trollers can happen faster than ever. The existance of Trolls and all this stuff is sickening so agree.

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Nice to see someone having the cajones to put a stop to dumbasses. Women do have a bit of a challenge being a "geek" whether it is as a Sci-Fi/Fantasy fan, comic book fangirl, gamer or any and all of the above for many reasons.

It is great that more females are getting into comics and other entertainment venues and hopefully that trend will continue. However, I hope the trend of berating, debasing, and demoralizing women will never continue.

Good article, points out that there are still social relevant issues pertaining to comics and while I often bemoan their depictions and heavy handed portrayals at times, again, nice to see someone acting in real life to thwart some Trolls in defense of women.

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@Funrush said:

@Babs said:

@JohnnyWalker said:

god, you make him soud like a serial killer finally aprehended. ever heard of 'sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me'? ignore him, dont read his stuff. no biggie. everybody sees him as trolling, nobody will give him any credibility. there are some real sickos out there and this deserves attention from the authorities? 'he wrote something bad about me. wha'. priorities people. he isnt the first or the last.

Not sure if you knew, but he made some threats to some people.

Out of curiosity, what kind of threats did he make?

Follow link to Bleeding Cool below.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/09/01/comics-vs-mistere2009/

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Thank you.

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Also people that type and preach that words or hate speechs cant hurt you need to realize that is pure BS. Look through history and see that words are the most effective way to bring pain and torment to humans and can cause physical harms by spreading lies and hate. Just because they do not effect you as you may believe it still effects millions and only just a handful can cause hell on earth if unchecked. I am not saying to go to extreme censorship for I am against forms of political correctness that have to do with word banning, but im for ending hate speechs of any sort and to any who support it should look in the mirror and put yourself in the victims place and look at it in another persons perspective just for a few minutes...

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I actually hope that his words, as long as they weren't directly threatening the physical health of anybody specifically, do not bring down any legal ramifications. That would be a big blow to freedom of speech, and while people can be asses with that freedom, I still think that having a bunch of asses slamming us is better than losing some of that freedom to express our views (no matter how unpopular).

I also confess I have never heard of this guy until now and have no idea what specifically he's been doing with his twitter account, so he may have actually been threatening people or threatening terrorist acts, which might be a more valid reason for bringing "legal action" down on him. If he was simply a hardcore, douche of a troll, then anything involving the law is pointless, and if anything legal does happen to him in that case, it's a travesty. Being an ass should not be illegal no matter how much of one you are.

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It seems silly, but I've been reading comics for years and used to be secretive and embarassed about it. Even used to be nervous going to a comic shop on my own, because people thought it was kinda weird. Recently no one seems bothered though which is good, probably because of all the films and media making the industry more well-known.

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Just looked up more about the guy, and he seems to be rather horrible. He goes beyond being an ass and being a new breed of cyber-troll I like to dub, cyber-terrorist. Telling women he'll be there, have fun with them, rape them etc.... Yeah, he might not actually be breaking any laws still, but then again he might; and if he's not, they can still sue him for emotional distress probably. Hope they do. What a jerk.

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Worst part about this? This guy wasn't some 20 year old living with his mom, he was 51 and married. Makes me really wonder who we interact with each day.

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@Superguy0009e said:

Worst part about this? This guy wasn't some 20 year old living with his mom, he was 51 and married. Makes me really wonder who we interact with each day.

They got his personal info?

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@minigunman123: "That would be a big blow to freedom of speech, and while people can be asses with that freedom, I still think that having a bunch of asses slamming us is better than losing some of that freedom to express our views (no matter how unpopular)."

Freedom of speech isn't as universal as most people want to believe it is. No matter where it is, you do not have the freedom to harass anyone. You don't have the freedom to incite violence, you don't have the freedom to threaten others, you don't have the freedom to incite rioting or mass chaos.

There are stark limits on freedom of speech for a reason, this wouldn't change a damn thing if he were to be stopped.

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Amazing article Babs!!! I'm so glad you brought this to the Vine's attention and i coudn't agree with you more.

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@The Man of Yesteryear: They're pressing charges against him. Of course they've got his personal info.

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Honestly from what I've heard the guy is partially getting what he deserves and if he did make threats I agree in the notion that he should be subjected to legal action or at least a lot of scrutiny by the world around him. But overall when it comes to "trolling" I have one view on it...

...especially the boy band part.

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@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-are-the-effects-of-cyberbullying.aspx

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-health/health-conditions-library/general-health/Pages/cyber-bullying.aspx

http://headdrama.com/article/life/18/9872/the-long-term-effects-cyber-bullying

http://www.cyberbullying.us/cyberbullying_emotional_consequences.pdf

For everyone who says it's "just trolling"

All of this "research" reads like complete garbage. I mean you have one graph showing "how victims felt" with a quote from a 14 year old saying "it makes me depressed and I cry". You have another page trying to express how a troll can cause bad grades and suicide. Then there is a page there saying how certain groups can be marginalized. What the hell does that even mean? The fact of the matter is that people need to put on their big boy and big girl pants, the internet is not a real place and it is anonymous. If you don't like what you are reading then block and report the person. If you don't like getting called a jerk on xbox live then either don't chat on xbox live, silence your headset, or only speak in groups that you personally know. All I am hearing from this entire report is that a tool has nothing better to do with his life then spout off either his unthoughtful jokes/blatant sexism ect. and it got a bunch of peoples panties in a bunch because he hurt my feelings. Get over it.

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@thveej said:

@etragedy: its not a news story..... its an op-ed (should be really an editorial but weteve) if you don't know the difference then look it up.

Uhmm... speaking of trolling. What's with the condescending attitude?

Of course I know what an Op-ed is.

I said news story because this is breaking news.

I came to the site. Clicked on the link at the top - you know, the first one - the one that says 'News'.

And this is what I see:

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(Note, it was not marked as an 'Off My Mind' piece which are usually the opinion pieces on CV such as Tony's latest one on Baz)

@Babs

Thanks for the explanation - I applaud Millar and Marz, if they're calling a bully out, that's a good thing.

And again, I'm glad to see issues like this discussed on CV, it's just frustrating not knowing the whole story. I'll follow the links you and Nightfang have posted to The Beat and Bleedingcool to see what it was that started all this.

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@GokaiFire said:

@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-are-the-effects-of-cyberbullying.aspx

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-health/health-conditions-library/general-health/Pages/cyber-bullying.aspx

http://headdrama.com/article/life/18/9872/the-long-term-effects-cyber-bullying

http://www.cyberbullying.us/cyberbullying_emotional_consequences.pdf

For everyone who says it's "just trolling"

All of this "research" reads like complete garbage. I mean you have one graph showing "how victims felt" with a quote from a 14 year old saying "it makes me depressed and I cry". You have another page trying to express how a troll can cause bad grades and suicide. Then there is a page there saying how certain groups can be marginalized. What the hell does that even mean? The fact of the matter is that people need to put on their big boy and big girl pants, the internet is not a real place and it is anonymous. If you don't like what you are reading then block and report the person. If you don't like getting called a faggot on xbox live then either don't chat on xbox live, silence your headset, or only speak in groups that you personally know. All I am hearing from this entire report is that a tool has nothing better to do with his life then spout off either his unthoughtful jokes/blatant sexism ect. and it got a bunch of peoples panties in a bunch because he hurt my feelings. Get the fuck over it.

watch your language..profanity isn't allowed on ComicVine

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@SimonM7 said:

The internet basically operates on the presumption that people can moderate themselves, that everyone wants to be polite and constructive, but way too many people don't. Random, generic frustration is just too easy and gratifying to vent, and I bet people with these tendencies don't really distinguish between the interchangeable "cause" they're venting in the guise of. To actually say something of substance takes a degree of involvement that immediately reaches beyond the tiny attention span that brings this stuff on, so they reach for the most impactful shorthand instead.

I definitely believe there are awful, hateful people with an actual agenda, too, but I think ultimately, the majority is just working with their ignorance, preconceived notions and frustrations and project those because it's just so easy. It's the PUNCHING A WALL of the internet.

I also genuinely believe that there have been significant advances in bringing women to the forefront in movies and comics and video games, so much so that there's now a tangible anti-movement. Maybe it's males freaking out over "losing their foothold", I don't know, but I'm seeing more and more comments about "oh boy, another STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER, ho hum!". The notion that women are rising up in these areas, and that verbally attacking them is no longer "kicking someone who's already down" is seemingly reaching a fever pitch in threads like the "Tropes vs Women" one. It's SO pervasive and SO blunt.

A different, far more subtle problem is that as these issues are highlighted more, and the discussion ramps up, you have a lot of people that just don't want to deal with it, and rather not think about it. Games, comics, films they're used to just enjoying are suddenly examined and called out for this thing they "don't care about", and they just see it as an attack on something they like. They develop some sort of anti stance where they just go I DON'T LIKE INJUSTICE TO MALES NOR FEMALES, I DON'T GET WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION - missing the fact that it IS an issue that affects women primarily. Trivialising that fact is almost just as bad, just as ignorant, and even a bit delusional, frankly.

If there's a silver lining, it has to be that someone is likely doing something right, because the douches are clearly freaking and coming out of the woodwork en masse. To any reasonable human being, their behaviour is obviously absolutely despicable, and they will hopefully be shunned and ridiculed until GENERATIONS do their thing and we bury such old fashioned world views.

Thank you.

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@GokaiFire said:

@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-are-the-effects-of-cyberbullying.aspx

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-health/health-conditions-library/general-health/Pages/cyber-bullying.aspx

http://headdrama.com/article/life/18/9872/the-long-term-effects-cyber-bullying

http://www.cyberbullying.us/cyberbullying_emotional_consequences.pdf

For everyone who says it's "just trolling"

All of this "research" reads like complete garbage. I mean you have one graph showing "how victims felt" with a quote from a 14 year old saying "it makes me depressed and I cry". You have another page trying to express how a troll can cause bad grades and suicide. Then there is a page there saying how certain groups can be marginalized. What the hell does that even mean? The fact of the matter is that people need to put on their big boy and big girl pants, the internet is not a real place and it is anonymous. If you don't like what you are reading then block and report the person. If you don't like getting called a faggot on xbox live then either don't chat on xbox live, silence your headset, or only speak in groups that you personally know. All I am hearing from this entire report is that a tool has nothing better to do with his life then spout off either his unthoughtful jokes/blatant sexism ect. and it got a bunch of peoples panties in a bunch because he hurt my feelings. Get the fuck over it.

This is why there is so much ignorance on the internet.

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How I(A jerk)react to trolls...

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Wow that's awesome. Guy got what he deserved.

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@x_29 said:

@GokaiFire said:

@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-are-the-effects-of-cyberbullying.aspx

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-health/health-conditions-library/general-health/Pages/cyber-bullying.aspx

http://headdrama.com/article/life/18/9872/the-long-term-effects-cyber-bullying

http://www.cyberbullying.us/cyberbullying_emotional_consequences.pdf

For everyone who says it's "just trolling"

All of this "research" reads like complete garbage. I mean you have one graph showing "how victims felt" with a quote from a 14 year old saying "it makes me depressed and I cry". You have another page trying to express how a troll can cause bad grades and suicide. Then there is a page there saying how certain groups can be marginalized. What the hell does that even mean? The fact of the matter is that people need to put on their big boy and big girl pants, the internet is not a real place and it is anonymous. If you don't like what you are reading then block and report the person. If you don't like getting called a faggot on xbox live then either don't chat on xbox live, silence your headset, or only speak in groups that you personally know. All I am hearing from this entire report is that a tool has nothing better to do with his life then spout off either his unthoughtful jokes/blatant sexism ect. and it got a bunch of peoples panties in a bunch because he hurt my feelings. Get the fuck over it.

This is why there is so much ignorance on the internet.

This is why there is so much ignorance on the internet.

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@GokaiFire: I can recognize that you are new here and haven't maybe checked out the forum rules as of yet, but refrain from using swear words.  
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I have no idea what this guy did (don't have the time to read through it all), but doesn't every social media site have a block button, and doesn't every forum have a "report abuse" button? If someone's being a jerk, just block them out. It's the internet equivalent of walking away (my favourite form of confrontation resolution).

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@GokaiFire said:

@x_29 said:

@GokaiFire said:

@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.teachtoday.eu/en/Teacher-advice/Cyberbullying/What-are-the-effects-of-cyberbullying.aspx

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-health/health-conditions-library/general-health/Pages/cyber-bullying.aspx

http://headdrama.com/article/life/18/9872/the-long-term-effects-cyber-bullying

http://www.cyberbullying.us/cyberbullying_emotional_consequences.pdf

For everyone who says it's "just trolling"

All of this "research" reads like complete garbage. I mean you have one graph showing "how victims felt" with a quote from a 14 year old saying "it makes me depressed and I cry". You have another page trying to express how a troll can cause bad grades and suicide. Then there is a page there saying how certain groups can be marginalized. What the hell does that even mean? The fact of the matter is that people need to put on their big boy and big girl pants, the internet is not a real place and it is anonymous. If you don't like what you are reading then block and report the person. If you don't like getting called a faggot on xbox live then either don't chat on xbox live, silence your headset, or only speak in groups that you personally know. All I am hearing from this entire report is that a tool has nothing better to do with his life then spout off either his unthoughtful jokes/blatant sexism ect. and it got a bunch of peoples panties in a bunch because he hurt my feelings. Get the fuck over it.

This is why there is so much ignorance on the internet.

This is why there is so much ignorance on the internet.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Great article, Babs. Thank you for bringing this to light. I had not hear of this at all. I see offensive idiots on the internet everyday but this guys seems like a real sicko. The fact that he was making some of the female professionals feel unsafe in public really makes me sad. This guys should suffer whatever punishment that is allowable by the law. I also hope that whatever the punishment is that it is harsh enough to get the point across that this is unacceptable.

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can somebody tell me what happened

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@ubbak said:

@Magicallystoopid: The lowest numbers posted add up to $13,000 before anyone's bought a light or stepped foot on set.

You need to add location costs, lighting, post-production, post-audio, and the cost of hiring people to actually do things for you, like actors, editors, sound operators, boom operators, grips, electricians, gaffers, DP's, producers, production managers, AD's, etc.

Honestly, she could break $150,000 by buying a camera and a handful of lenses to operate with them.

Edit: Also forgot to add in the cost of feeding the cast/crew (craft services), the costs of electricity to run the set, the costs of hair & make-up (which IS a requirement for both male and female on camera talent unless you want them to look porousy and like hell), the cost of set decoration, any props, any costumes, any foley, any sound catalogues they needed, any special FX or video FX, any research.

If she can break 150,000 on just camera and lenses, then that would be her being insanely wasteful. Point is, she's gotten 150 k to make a show about gender equality in video games. 150 k that could've gone to a battered women's shelter, 150 k that could've gone to a number of things that could've really used it. But it's going into an internet show, an internet show that could go unwatched for all we know. And if it is watched she'll most likely make ad revenue, which goes back to her and the people she may or may not have hired. Which can go back into the show and in turn reduce the cost needed to make it. It just all smells fishy that she asks for such a huge amount when she can still produce her points without needing to even be on camera herself.

Maybe if she had put her vision for the show more clear cut with some kind of budgeting made clear I wouldn't have such a problem with it, but I still struggle to see how she needs ALL THAT for what is a video essay series about equality in gaming. Plus how much money did she spend on the games, when she just as easily can use youtube and gamefaqs, saving money. Did all those dinners she took pictures of come from the show's budget? Because if they did, and even if it was only a few grand, that is a few grand she took out of people's pocket and lied about where it was going.

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Why is there a Captain Marvel pic in the article?

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Too bad indecency and hate speech is protected by the first amendment

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we should all stand up against trolling and not turn a blind eye towards it. this is as much applicable to comic communities as it is to any other form of entertainment forums!

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Okay?

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This is what happens when you give somebody the power to say whatever they want from behind a screen and take away all accountability. They forget how to disagree with civility and respect to the other person and jump straight to spewing molten hate out to anybody who has a view contradictory to their own. I honestly think that if that poor woman who was attacked for her Kickstarter project had proposed it IN PERSON to any of the people who trolled her videos or demolished her Wikipedia page, they would have responded with an actual point stating why they didn't see it as an important issue rather than 'get back in the kitchen'. Although, in the olden days, when people forgot how to disagree, they just shot each other. So, I guess when it's compared to killing people, corroding a person's faith in humanity with all-caps vitriol is preferable. Even if it is by a slim margin.

Terrific article, by the way, Sara!

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I believe in freedom of speech.

I don't like what a lot of public figures have to say -- some are outright borderline hate-mongering, but I will knock myself out and fight for their right to express their opinions/thoughts. Its the anonymity these cowards hide behind that needs to be addressed. Its one thing to have an opinion - its another to abuse a medium to feed your vitriol and biases. Hiding behind usernames and expecting to not be held accountable when encouraging violence in any form against any person needs to be discouraged. How to go about it is tricky but just like this individual was able to transmit his comments via the internet, so should those who oppose him. The difference is -- we know who the latter is. The former is -- well -- my opinion I will keep to myself. Which is my right.

I understand the perspective of ignoring trolls to discourage their behaviour -- of course -- but this was a targeted campaign against specific people. It's very different. Here on CV a user can say Wolverine sux b@lls and the community will either agree or freak out. But when its a particular segment of society being ridiculed, hated on, harassed -- its cyber bullying. The effects of it are NOT negligible -- its horrific and far-reaching and life-altering. Life-ending.

So -- I appreciate the view that this isn't worth getting into a huff about -- and I appreciate the suggestion trolls should be ignored -- but when you present this opinion in a flippant, dismissive way, you are part of the problem. And yes, it may seem insurmountable but most things worth fighting against are.

k -- done.

:)

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@Babs: Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately (it's even clear in some of the comments on this article), some people think that just because they're behind a computer screen they can say whatever they wish without consequence. As an admin. on this site I'm pretty sure you're all for free speech and voicing one's opinion. Sorry so many posters disagree about the seriousness of this issue.

Just because it's anonymous and over the internet doesn't mean it won't affect someone, or that they are the party at fault because they're letting it bother them. If I got threatened anonymously it would be incredibly nerve-wracking. Even if this JonV character wasn't planning on going through with his threats, the recipients of his menacing don't know that.

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Good article... why post on Comicvine?

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Thanks for sharing the good news. Hopefully he'll receive legal reprimand.

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@.Longshot.:

Although, in the olden days, when people forgot how to disagree, they just shot each other. So, I guess when it's compared to killing people, corroding a person's faith in humanity with all-caps vitriol is preferable. Even if it is by a slim margin.

There were times when people could get burned of a stake for a difference of opinion, we have made leaps and bounds as humanity progressed. Love your points.

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I'm all for free speech but I feel that like most "rights" are taken too far because there are no reprocussions to people's actions anymore. Look at school buses these days. It was a few months ago I remember seeing a report about an old women working as a bus attendant that was physically harassed and humiliated by a group of elementary school students. Why couldn't she do anything about it? Because its against policy for the students to be punished on the bus and they can't be directly confronted about their actions. Were they held to legal accountability? No they weren't. Simply given some detention and told to behave. We are teaching children its okay to act like this and yet find it shocking when "the nice neighbor who was so quiet and polite" is arrested for some heinous crime. It might be a bit extreme to start bringing back the ruler whacking nuns but as a whole the trends of society need to change so that people are held accountable for their actions and words just like anyone standing infront of a video camera for journalists and commentators to rake over the coals for days on end. Just because you aren't a celebrity doesn't mean you are free to say anything and nobody responds. To that end sites should stop the practice of allowing screennames and only actual names or initials should be allowed (a made up name in a video game I'm okay with because you are playing a character......when you blog or respond to an article you are speaking as yourself). Now before anyone gets on me......my username is the abbreviation of my rank coupled with my initials. I am telling you upfront who I am. Its not hard and it represents me because its who I truly am. If you don't want to be yourself play on MMO or other online game and create a new identity. But when you want to give your opinion be honest with yourself and who you are and don't be afraid to identify yourself. If you aren't willing to do that then you shouldn't waste other people's time. To those that say "look the other way"......you are only adding to the problem. Just like anyone that said the kids on the bus were "just being kids" and not holding them to a standard of conduct, you are only continuing the downward spiral. That's not even getting into the discussion of why most people are unable to present a solid, logical argument anymore and instead resort to childish language and insults to make up for their lack of refinement. Have to agree a bit with an earlier post that I enjoyed movies, games, comics, books, and other forms of entertainment far more before sites like CV. Its not because of spoilers or trailers or anything revealing, but because I have to sift through post after post of childish nonsence in order to find the one or two comments actually worth reading and/or commenting/debating about.

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Makes me want to dress up like Wonder Woman, and kick him in his vagina. 

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@XImpossibruX said:

Good article... why post on Comicvine?

Why not...?

@lykopis said:

I believe in freedom of speech.

I don't like what a lot of public figures have to say -- some are outright borderline hate-mongering, but I will knock myself out and fight for their right to express their opinions/thoughts. Its the anonymity these cowards hide behind that needs to be addressed. Its one thing to have an opinion - its another to abuse a medium to feed your vitriol and biases. Hiding behind usernames and expecting to not be held accountable when encouraging violence in any form against any person needs to be discouraged. How to go about it is tricky but just like this individual was able to transmit his comments via the internet, so should those who oppose him. The difference is -- we know who the latter is. The former is -- well -- my opinion I will keep to myself. Which is my right.

I understand the perspective of ignoring trolls to discourage their behaviour -- of course -- but this was a targeted campaign against specific people. It's very different. Here on CV a user can say Wolverine sux b@lls and the community will either agree or freak out. But when its a particular segment of society being ridiculed, hated on, harassed -- its cyber bullying. The effects of it are NOT negligible -- its horrific and far-reaching and life-altering. Life-ending.

So -- I appreciate the view that this isn't worth getting into a huff about -- and I appreciate the suggestion trolls should be ignored -- but when you present this opinion in a flippant, dismissive way, you are part of the problem. And yes, it may seem insurmountable but most things worth fighting against are.

k -- done.

:)

Welllllllllllllllllll said <3

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@Rumble Man: Most other civilized countries have laws against hate speech. The U.S. probably would as well if there wasn't a large portion of the populace that placed adherence to a document written by some rich white men in the 1780s above human rights and dignity.

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@x_29: So now i get a achievement haha tremendous.

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@jinxuandi: personally the second amendment was weirder, hence why people should make their declarations in peacetime not wartime

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People forgot how to casually piss people off online. That's why I'm here. I'll show you the way.

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How do we seperate someone from being a troll and from someone who has a strong opinion. There are a lot of ways to not even have to deal with people that you don't agree with. One is to block them if it is internet related. It's like hearing a bad song on the radio or bad show on T.V.. Change it. Not having to be face to face with someone, and talking shit, is a growing epidemic (did I spell that right?) and I hate it. In the last couple years I've notice just how big someones balls are when they don't have the threat of someone punching them in the face standing in front of them. I don't know how many times I've had to tell someone while I was playing Red Dead Redemption on PS3 multiplayer that they are not a real cowboy. Where I come from, if you want to talk shit, you better back it up, because a quick jab to the jaw shuts a lot of people up and ends a lot of problems. When people see it, it keeps a lot of problems from even beginning. Opinion with proof is one thing, opinion for the sake of opinion is just cowardly. Have a reason, not just a hunch. Have the balls to back up what you say too, and think about who you say it to.

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@Rumble Man said:

@.Longshot.:

Although, in the olden days, when people forgot how to disagree, they just shot each other. So, I guess when it's compared to killing people, corroding a person's faith in humanity with all-caps vitriol is preferable. Even if it is by a slim margin.

There were times when people could get burned of a stake for a difference of opinion, we have made leaps and bounds as humanity progressed. Love your points.

Thank you.

Love that gif, by the way. XD

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@.Longshot.: no probs

back then when people bring an opinion they have to prepare for the consequences

now it is the same