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The Secret of the New Justice League of America

We've wondered why the new members were chosen. Now it all becomes clear.

For about the last six months, we've been wondering what the deal was with the new Justice League of America. In the New 52 Universe, the Justice League has only consisted of Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash and Cyborg. Apparently they attempted to recruit Martian Manhunter but that didn't work out. They refused to allow Green Arrow to join. For five years (in comic book time), they remained an exclusive club of heroes. They are no longer the only Justice League members around.

We may currently have the Justice League Dark team and saw the Justice League International but this is different. Amanda Waller and Steve Trevor have put together a new team. It's an odd mix since we have killers, thieves and extremely inexperienced individuals on the team. We tried to figure out why each member was on the team before but now it all becomes clear.

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There will be spoilers for JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #1 below. You definitely will want to read the issue first before you discover the true reason for the team.

== TEASER ==

Simply put, Amanda Waller wants a team that can take out the current Justice League. When presenting her candidates to Steve Trevor, she made it clear that the League is too powerful and they need to be prepared, have their own super-powered puppets, in case the League ever turns on the populace. Trevor goes along with this for two reasons - if he doesn't, Waller will get someone else and she also gives him a piece of intel that provides even more encouragement.

Looking at the team, you can see how they will be paired off.

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Martian Manhunter

He is their secret weapon. Aside from his incredible telepathic abilities, he has the power to stand up to Superman. He could easily to toe-to-toe with the Man of Steel. We've already seen the entire League face off against him in a two-page flashback scene. His telepathic ability will also give him an edge as well. Seeing what he's done during Storm Watch and how he departed shows he will have no problem fighting Superman if push came to shove.

Catwoman

Why is Catwoman on the team? She is the way to get to Batman. She may not be able to deal with him during a fist fight but she knows how to get through his veil and touch his emotions. She knows Batman on an intimate level. As a weapon against the Dark Knight, Catwoman might be a one-time-only shot but if it was determined that Batman needed to be taken down, Catwoman could make her way right up to Batman without any realization of ulterior motives. By the time he figured out what she was after, it could be too late.

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Katana

Katana is meant to be paired up against Wonder Woman. They are both warriors. Katana's Soultaker sword may assist her against Wonder Woman. Other than that, we'd have to see what else she has to offer. Wonder Woman has shown glimpses of the fierce warrior she can be. It could be a quick fight unless Katana has something else up her sleeve. She is considered the world's deadliest assassin (alongside Deathstroke) so perhaps she would have a strategy to take on Wonder Woman, permanently.

Simon Baz

Green Lantern vs Green Lantern makes sense. If you need to take one out, do it with another. Hal Jordan may have earned the title of being the greatest Green Lantern. He's done many things thought impossible (like actually killing Krona, a renegade Guardian of the Universe) but Simon Baz is showing some new abilities as well. He has already been shown able to do things other Green Lanterns can't. What this says about his will remains to be seen and would he fight Hal Jordan if instructed to?

Vibe

Vibe appeared to be an odd choice from the beginning. Pairing him up against Flash might seem odd since he has vibrating powers. There's more to it than just vibrating. Vibe is a "living epicenter for vibrational frequencies." Waller tells Steve that, with training, he will be able to "sever ties that people might have to dimensional power." That means he could cut Flash off from the Speed Force.

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Stargirl

Stargirl is set up to go up against Cyborg. This might seem like another odd pairing but it all comes down to what she can do with her cosmic staff. Waller believes it could be one of the most powerful weapons on Earth. That could give her an edge over Cyborg. In the past she's been able to fly, create energy constructs and force fields and make herself invulnerable. We'll have to wait to see what a blast from her staff would do to Cyborg. There's also the question about what happened to the previous owner of the staff and what that means for Stargirl.

Hawkman

Hawkman is a fierce warrior and could have the ability to take on Aquaman directly. His savage nature could be the edge when they clash as he would be less likely to hold back. Other than that, it's not fully clear why it's felt he's the perfect match against Aquaman. Hawkman would have the ability to take Aquaman far away from water. The question is, would he be able to carry him off without a fight?

What about Green Arrow?

He could be the wildcard. While he does appear in this issue and is on the cover, he doesn't appear to be paired off like the others. Adding an eighth member gives them one more person. Steve mentions to Amanda that there may not be a spot for Green Arrow on this team but we do know they've worked together since Steve made him an offer back in the pages of JUSTICE LEAGUE.

It appears that Waller has her team. She has a way to take down the Justice League. We'll have to wait and see if she plans to be proactive and take them down immediately or keep her team around performing heroic feats for positive PR, waiting for the League to step out of line.

Of course, there's also what role will Steve Trevor and Green Arrow play in all of this. Will Trevor go along with Waller's orders? We can likely expect a major clash in the immediate future.

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Can someone please explain to me how Hawkman is on JLA roster, while I saw him during the Throne of Atlantis? Is it two different people under the guise of the Hawkman persona? Like one is the alien, while the other is the human one?

If it's the same one, does that mean Hawkman may potentially be a double agent for the JLA, and feed them information about the JL?

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@Barkley said:

ONE WORD: SHAZAM!!!!

I wonder if this could lead to Black Adam being brought into the JLA. His whole history with 52 and WW3 going on a killing spree is gone. Johns did have him as a member of the JSA during his run on the series. He also seems to gravitate to characters that are a bit "morally grey" such as Black Adam, Sinestro, and recently Ocean Master/Orm.

Also with the Trinity War teaser, you do see Deadman attacking/possessing a character that is wearing Black Adam's color scheme versus Shazam's color scheme. Just a thought, this could be leading up to him joining JLA, whenever Shazam's back story finishes and he officially joins the Justice League roster.

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@Jacobin_Wisdom:Throne of Atlantis takes place before JLA, they just recruited him after the battle

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Maybe Amanda Waller will recruit Black Adam by offering him a green card ? Amanda can also recruit more villains like Metallo, Neutron, the new Zoom, etc.

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If they will fight Justice League, shouldn't they need stronger members?

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This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

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Wait this team is supposed to fight JL? LOLOLOL.Ofcourse I can see Catwoman beating Batman in a Johns book after all he hates Batman but WW/Katana,Flash/Vibe,Aquaman/Hawkman,Hal/Baz have to be some of the worst "versus" ever.

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@DustinStauffer: Well then I am curious, because he flatlined at the end of issue #1 and is there anyone who can bring him back with his superpowers :) and why did it look like batman was there in the group killing him in the first pages... ? Is this anti-hero gang similar to the Justice League?

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@Edimasta:There three people chasing Green Arrow, were probably robots of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman created by Professor Ivo & Green Arrow probably just needs a defibrillator

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Ah yeah Ivo... remember him from the old times where he built this female superhero robot joining the JLA, trying to infiltrate them, in the cool days where Superman was pure energy and exciting... :D

And I am also curious how in the hell they want to beat the JLA... Superman is the immortal uber-super-meta-human that cannot be defeated, he just needs to flinch and the team is down... that is the problem I have with this character. Superman is just to "super" and with Wonder Woman at his side... who can stop them?

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@Edimasta:Martian Manhunter

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Do not think so... there is no way this alien can compete with Superman at the peak of his powers :)

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@Edimasta:He can manipulate his mind

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@Edimasta said:

Do not think so... there is no way this alien can compete with Superman at the peak of his powers :)

you must be very new t DC and the JL. MM has proven capable of taking down the League at their best.He has all of the same powers as Superman plus more including telepathy, telekinesis, Shape shifting, intangibility, invisibility and centuries more experience than any of the JL.

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I think Shazam will be brought onto the regular JL, and the "the shocking secret of Black Adam" they teased in the solicits is that he and Shazam POSSIBLE SPOILERS are the same or become the same. Also, Johns obviously has no clue to write for Batman. Catwoman to take him down? Not GREEN ARROW?! The obvious choice?!

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Why would Green Arrow be the obvious choice?

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@EvanTheMexiJew said:

I think Shazam will be brought onto the regular JL, and the "the shocking secret of Black Adam"
Johns confirmed that Shazam will be on he regular JL and was going to become besties with Cyborg
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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

You've obviously never read Justice League International then. There have been plenty of ragtag members in the league at times. The last Justice League run at the end had a bit of a motley crew. I really don't see how its a lack of respect for trying to raise lower characters up and characters that are part timers in the league to a higher status. One issue doesn't mean they are suicide squad. What Waller thinks, doesn't mean that they will go along with it. Might want to stop trying to oversimplifying things with having only read one issue.

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@chipsnopotatoes Cuz it'd be better than Catwoman. I would've accepted them using Deathstroke, and using his Team 7 connection to get him on the JLA

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it would be interesting to see shazam, or even captain atom........... and where's john stewart

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@marvel123 said:

it would be interesting to see shazam, or even captain atom........... and where's john stewart

Shazam is on the main JL and John is out in space full time.

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This is interesting . I dont see how Katana going to win or even able to survive a a direct blow from wonder woman unless she has some plan there is no winning. NOw the martian is powerful enough to take them all on at once and give them a hard time . Unless there is Physic boost to power and strength it would be hard to beat JLA

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@Boogiepop said:

@RedQueen said:

@maurdakar said:

Pairing Katana against Wonder Woman? WOW.

That's an even worse idea than expecting Catwoman to take down Batman.

My thoughts exactly. I've got a feeling they're going to seriously over-power Katana to justify this choice- and probably try and rekindle the Catwoman /Batman relationship. Although, it could be that WW is a wild card in their eyes- they don't know the full extent of her limits/strengths....maybe. We'll see.

I have a slightly different view. I don't think they're going to suddenly have WW jobbing to Katana with massive PIS. I think one of two things will happen: either Katana is going to get an upgrade (maybe in her new series) or else this will be an error by Waller and WW wins easily over Katana. I just don't see Johns having Katana of all people suddenly take WW without some new ability or something we haven't seen yet.

That was exactly what I was thinking. :)

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@Edimasta said:

@DustinStauffer: Well then I am curious, because he flatlined at the end of issue #1 and is there anyone who can bring him back with his superpowers :) and why did it look like batman was there in the group killing him in the first pages... ? Is this anti-hero gang similar to the Justice League?

Yeah, the Society of Villains is basically the Justice League of bad guys so to speak. They are an older group that has popped up a few times in comics.

It's possible that Green Arrow is brought back with someones powers, though you can flat line and still be resuscitated.
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@DEGRAAF said:

It seems like they keep putting Green Arrow down which seems dumb since he now has his own successful tv show. Also How does the JLA deal with the fact that Cyborg just basically turn the Justice League into the Justice League Unlimited? Should we be expecting more heroes to join the JLA now?

I think what could be one of the best things about this comics is that while it will still have it's own villains and things to take care of i will love to see the immediate responses and affects JL has on the JLA comic. Like i hope they do mention the concern of the JL adding new recruits and how to deal with that kind of opposition

Well he has a fresh new Team in his solo book, and Johns has been working with lemier to make sure GA is more true to his own title. He isn't dead since he is in the next few solicits and his solo book just got a giant overhaul. He actually is going to be on the up and up in the coming year. Also is featured in one of the trinity war teasers.

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thanks, ...........do you have any insight on captain atom as well, i know he just got a comic recently but where is he in relation to the justice league

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@marvel123 said:

thanks, ...........do you have any insight on captain atom as well, i know he just got a comic recently but where is he in relation to the justice league

i have no idea, i know he was one of the candidates for JLI but was rejected. Thats pretty much it.

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I think Deathstroke can also work in JLA since Deathstroke can beat Batman. Deathstroke is better in everything. Can also put powerful members like Majestic and Zealot in the JLA.

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@colonyofcells said:

I think Deathstroke can also work in JLA since Deathstroke can beat Batman. Deathstroke is better in everything. Can also put powerful members like Majestic and Zealot in the JLA.

Dethstroke isnt a hero. nor is he a woman nor a minority.

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@arnoldoaad said:

@chipsnopotatoes said:

Hmm. People under estimate Selina. Remember how she led him to Bane in TDKR?

people arent underestimating Catwoman, we are underestimating the new-52 catwoman whose name is not Selina Kyle and was revived by cats

That's how she'll take down Bats. Also, I get the feeling that this is a different Catwoman than the one Nocenti is writing.

the problem is that this is not that different, Johns is still quoting the horribly bad ideas of Catwoman 0 to be used here

I don't know about you but I read this as Johns fixing what Winick and Nocenti broke. Basically implying that the Catwoman in her book isn't Selina Kyle and that this one is the real thing. Different costume, different attitude. I buy that.

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@EvanTheMexiJew said:

@chipsnopotatoes Cuz it'd be better than Catwoman. I would've accepted them using Deathstroke, and using his Team 7 connection to get him on the JLA

I disagree. I think Catwoman would be a more interesting choice. I'd like to see more than just a battle of sausages for Batman.

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@chipsnopotatoes said:

@arnoldoaad said:

@chipsnopotatoes said:

Hmm. People under estimate Selina. Remember how she led him to Bane in TDKR?

people arent underestimating Catwoman, we are underestimating the new-52 catwoman whose name is not Selina Kyle and was revived by cats

That's how she'll take down Bats. Also, I get the feeling that this is a different Catwoman than the one Nocenti is writing.

the problem is that this is not that different, Johns is still quoting the horribly bad ideas of Catwoman 0 to be used here

I don't know about you but I read this as Johns fixing what Winick and Nocenti broke. Basically implying that the Catwoman in her book isn't Selina Kyle and that this one is the real thing. Different costume, different attitude. I buy that.

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I think you ate way way off on this. It was Nocenti who put in place that stupid idea that Catwoman wasnt Selina Kyle and also that she was a terrible thief and then got revived by cats after falling off a building.

Johns is using that same "broken" Catwoman of Nocenti, if there is another Selina Kyle who is or might be Catwoman somehow, that person is not in the JLA and it is not in Nocentis book.

if there is a difference in attitude thats just cause of the difference in writers, I see a huge difference between Nocenti's Catwoman and Winick's Catwoman that doesnt mean those 2 were different characters.

and the different costumes, same thing just different artists.

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

You win the Drama Queen of the Thread award.

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I don't really see what is wrong with the government having its own teams with super powers to handle super hero vigilantes and super villains. I just hope JLA can get more powerful members so it can really take on other super heroes and super villains.

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@DustinStauffer said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

You've obviously never read Justice League International then. There have been plenty of ragtag members in the league at times. The last Justice League run at the end had a bit of a motley crew. I really don't see how its a lack of respect for trying to raise lower characters up and characters that are part timers in the league to a higher status. One issue doesn't mean they are suicide squad. What Waller thinks, doesn't mean that they will go along with it. Might want to stop trying to oversimplifying things with having only read one issue.

That's not my problem with it. My problem is that it's being run by the Goverment in order to take down the JL. I don't care who's on the roster, the premise behind the thing spits in the face of that the name "Justice League" stands for.

Make sure you understand a point being made before you refute it.

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@shackle said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

You win the Drama Queen of the Thread award.

Uh huh.

And who are you?

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Interesting first issue and I liked the tribute to the Arrow series with Green Arrow's role. I don't think the "match-ups" are how fights would pan out but more or less based on the personalities of those involved.

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@DustinStauffer said:

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

This is just disgraceful.

The Justice League should never EVER be an ersatz Suicide Squad. This just shows the total lack of respect that Johns and co have for DC Comics. If it's personally getting them off or appealing to the lowest common denominator, then it's worth publishing.

Insulting, offensive, repugnant. Awful series. Awful idea. Just awful. People buying this should be ashamed of themselves.

You've obviously never read Justice League International then. There have been plenty of ragtag members in the league at times. The last Justice League run at the end had a bit of a motley crew. I really don't see how its a lack of respect for trying to raise lower characters up and characters that are part timers in the league to a higher status. One issue doesn't mean they are suicide squad. What Waller thinks, doesn't mean that they will go along with it. Might want to stop trying to oversimplifying things with having only read one issue.

That's not my problem with it. My problem is that it's being run by the Goverment in order to take down the JL. I don't care who's on the roster, the premise behind the thing spits in the face of that the name "Justice League" stands for.

Make sure you understand a point being made before you refute it.

Yes, and Maxwell Lord essentially was the one running Justice League International in the original series. If you read the issue you know it is a "what if scenario" not built to take down the Justice League. Waller thinks it is there for that, Trevor disagrees (The "what if"). So no, its not a big deal they are being supported by the government The recent Justice league International was suppose to be picked by the United Nations. Seen it in the Avengers also in a few series. Being picked by the government also does not mean that it will end up being that. All the interviews/character bio's have said as much that it's probably not going to pan out how Waller wants it to.

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Clearly, this book is an antithesis to Justice League. This team is made up of much more covert characters in nature. This team has borderline villains, anti heroes and characters that have no qualms about killing. Johns did a good job with this first issue, I just don't want to see them become some kind of merciless black ops squad.

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Clearly, this book is an antithesis to Justice League. This team is made up of much more covert characters in nature. This team has borderline villains, anti heroes and characters that have no qualms about killing. Johns did a good job with this first issue, I just don't want to see them become some kind of merciless black ops squad.

Yeah, I hope they can remain a league team versus the team that "kills," etc. I don't feel that is going to happen. I think the dynamic of them challenging what Waller wants, should lead to some fireworks down the road.

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Hmm. People under estimate Selina. Remember how she led him to Bane in TDKR?

people arent underestimating Catwoman, we are underestimating the new-52 catwoman whose name is not Selina Kyle and was revived by cats

That's how she'll take down Bats. Also, I get the feeling that this is a different Catwoman than the one Nocenti is writing.

the problem is that this is not that different, Johns is still quoting the horribly bad ideas of Catwoman 0 to be used here

I don't know about you but I read this as Johns fixing what Winick and Nocenti broke. Basically implying that the Catwoman in her book isn't Selina Kyle and that this one is the real thing. Different costume, different attitude. I buy that.

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I think you ate way way off on this. It was Nocenti who put in place that stupid idea that Catwoman wasnt Selina Kyle and also that she was a terrible thief and then got revived by cats after falling off a building.

Johns is using that same "broken" Catwoman of Nocenti, if there is another Selina Kyle who is or might be Catwoman somehow, that person is not in the JLA and it is not in Nocentis book.

if there is a difference in attitude thats just cause of the difference in writers, I see a huge difference between Nocenti's Catwoman and Winick's Catwoman that doesnt mean those 2 were different characters.

and the different costumes, same thing just different artists.

Let's break her origin story down a bit since that upsets you so much

The Second Chance program and stolen Identity storyline smacks of editorial mandate. Following the success of Hathaway's Catwoman in TDKR, Johns had probably decided he was going to bring her into the JLA (announced Aug 2012) and wanted Ann to plant the seeds in her origin story. Frankly, I don't see a problem with it except that it wasn't executed well by Nocenti. Why? Based on her interview at DCWKA, it doesn't sound like she's privy to what Johns has in mind for the character and so that bit came out very disjointed.

The Batman Returns origin is probably pure Nocenti since she did say Michelle Pfeifer's Catwoman was her favorite depiction of the character. It is what it is. I'm over that.

I would argue that there's nothing "broken" in Johns' depiction of the character. It's actually one of her best portrayals since nu52. She comes across as smart, sexy, cunning, competent and nothing like the goofy over-emotional reckless mess that Winick portrayed her to be and that Nocenti continued with. If anything, she comes across a tad smarter under Nocenti's pen.

Also, if you read JLA, Johns plainly states there are 2 Selina Kyle's running around. What are we to deduce then?

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@chipsnopotatoes said:

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Hmm. People under estimate Selina. Remember how she led him to Bane in TDKR?

people arent underestimating Catwoman, we are underestimating the new-52 catwoman whose name is not Selina Kyle and was revived by cats

That's how she'll take down Bats. Also, I get the feeling that this is a different Catwoman than the one Nocenti is writing.

the problem is that this is not that different, Johns is still quoting the horribly bad ideas of Catwoman 0 to be used here

I don't know about you but I read this as Johns fixing what Winick and Nocenti broke. Basically implying that the Catwoman in her book isn't Selina Kyle and that this one is the real thing. Different costume, different attitude. I buy that.

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I think you ate way way off on this. It was Nocenti who put in place that stupid idea that Catwoman wasnt Selina Kyle and also that she was a terrible thief and then got revived by cats after falling off a building.

Johns is using that same "broken" Catwoman of Nocenti, if there is another Selina Kyle who is or might be Catwoman somehow, that person is not in the JLA and it is not in Nocentis book.

if there is a difference in attitude thats just cause of the difference in writers, I see a huge difference between Nocenti's Catwoman and Winick's Catwoman that doesnt mean those 2 were different characters.

and the different costumes, same thing just different artists.

Let's break her origin story down a bit since that upsets you so much

The Second Chance program and stolen Identity storyline smacks of editorial mandate. Following the success of Hathaway's Catwoman in TDKR, Johns had probably decided he was going to bring her into the JLA (announced Aug 2012) and wanted Ann to plant the seeds in her origin story. Frankly, I don't see a problem with it except that it wasn't executed well by Nocenti. Why? Based on her interview at DCWKA, it doesn't sound like she's privy to what Johns has in mind for the character and so that bit came out very disjointed.

The Batman Returns origin is probably pure Nocenti since she did say Michelle Pfeifer's Catwoman was her favorite depiction of the character. It is what it is. I'm over that.

I would argue that there's nothing "broken" in Johns' depiction of the character. It's actually one of her best portrayals since nu52. She comes across as smart, sexy, cunning, competent and nothing like the goofy over-emotional reckless mess that Winick portrayed her to be and that Nocenti continued with. If anything, she comes across a tad smarter under Nocenti's pen.

Also, if you read JLA, Johns plainly states there are 2 Selina Kyle's running around. What are we to deduce then?

OK, I actually had to re-read the issue for that scene and i confess i miss read something, I thought i read "I know your name" but it actually reads "I know her name", so i now think that you are not 100% wrong but you are definitely not right

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what happens here is not a confirmation that there are 2 Catwomen, but that there are 2 Selina Kyle

It would make no sense at all if there were 2 Catwomen, specially if the JLA is revealed to the public, which would obviously alert the other Catwoman

the story is that some bad people where getting after one of the selinas and they hit the other one by mistake but it still doesnt fix anything at all from the problems that you are saying about Nocenti and Winick, and the idea that Trevor is hiring her because she is close to batman just confirms that she is the same one

this only makes things even more complicated, and in full honesty the more i think about this the more i start to hate this storyline

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@arnoldoaad: If you read on, Waller & Steve agree that Catwoman being a member would be kept under wraps from the public since she is a criminal, so there's no worry about alerting the other Catwoman. Also, the nu52 Catwoman barely has a relationship with Batman and isn't even treated as part of the Bat Family. It doesn't make sense that Trevor expects her to take him down when she doesn't even know his real identity or doesn't really know much about him.

I like complicated. It sets up an air of mystery around Selina that has been sorely lacking for so long. I'd be more than happy if Geoff basically nullifies the Bat Office/Winick/Nocenti's Catwoman in favor of the one we'll be reading in JLA.

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@arnoldoaad: If you read on, Waller & Steve agree that Catwoman being a member would be kept under wraps from the public since she is a criminal, so there's no worry about alerting the other Catwoman. Also, the nu52 Catwoman barely has a relationship with Batman and isn't even treated as part of the Bat Family. It doesn't make sense that Trevor expects her to take him down when she doesn't even know his real identity or doesn't really know much about him.

But what about Batman?

are you saying that there are 2 Catwomen and he doesnt notice or he doesnt care, he just have the one that sleeps with him and the one that knows him well

This makes no sense if you think there are 2 Catwomen

I like complicated. It sets up an air of mystery around Selina that has been sorely lacking for so long. I'd be more than happy if Geoff basically nullifies the Bat Office/Winick/Nocenti's Catwoman in favor of the one we'll be reading in JLA.

But Nocenti is actually writing stuff about Catwoman in the JLA, doesnt that proof that they are the same

and I dont mind complicated stories but they need at least a minimum amount of logic behind them

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after i read this, it got me questioning about GL Hal Jordan. Is he still alive? last that I checked he is "dead!"

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Oh give me a break. Flash can strike down Vibe before he can even think about what move he's gonna use against him. And while Catwoman is a skilled fighter, she's nowhere near Batmans level, if anything Green Arrow should be in that position.

And katana vs Wonder Woman? First of all, it's been shown numerous times that Wonder Woman is strong enough to give the likes of Superman and Aquaman a run for their money, she could literally kill Katana with one punch. Not to mention that because of her Amazonian heritage, Wonder Woman is one of the very few superheroes that won't hesitate to kill somebody.

But your pretty much spot on with Martian Manhunter. If that guy could could give the entire big 7 a run for their money then he's definitely the perfect choice to go up against superman.

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1. I never liked Amanda Waller, but that doesn't mean it's okay to change her appearance. She's supposed to bet this massively overweight woman, not some sleek ex-black ops soldier. I think they were just trying to follow suit after the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern movie version of the character

2. Neither Catwoman nor Green Arrow could really stand up to Batman. Maybe the CW show's version of Arrow, who was trained by Deathstroke could. But not the mainstream DCU GA.

3. I would say J'onn had a good chance of defeating Superman. He's definitely powerful enough. But all Supes has to do is use his heat vision to set some gasoline, whisky, etc. ablaze and J'onn's down. Or is the New 52 version of J'onn not vulnerable to fire anymore?

4. If you remember correctly Hal quit the League months ago. This actually happened (in New 52 continuity) prior to the onset of the New 52. After killing Krona, the Guardians stripped him of his ring. Then he went on the adventure to Korugar with Sinestro, then they teamed up again to meet Natromo and discover the secret of the Indigo Tribe. Then they were sent to the dead zone by the team-up of Black Hand and the Guardians, which led to the introduction of Simon Baz. Simon Baz was not present in the first two issues of JLA because he is off with B'dg in the GL titles. Hal Jordan just killed himself in the GL series in order to be able to use Black Hand's ring to escape the Dead Zone. It is unknown how exactly this will play out. But what we do know is that Hal Jordan will be resurrected and become leader of the Corps for Venditti's run and Simon Baz will also continue to be a GL and be featured in JLA. Returning Hal to the land of the living could be as easy as having Kyle Rayner say "poof" since he's mastered the white light, or Volthoom altering reality so that he never died. Anyway the other thing Waller says is that she know Hal's not with the League anymore, but also knows they're still chummy and he may come to their assist.

5. The only Catwoman I know of who fell off a building and was resurrected by cats was from that awful Halle Barry movie.

6. No way Green Arrow's dead. He'll be back. You can't kill him that easy.

7. I bet Amanda Waller's being manipulated by one of the Trinity of Sin

8. The Secret Society of Super-Villains has been teased as the series' main villains. Not the Justice League.

9. The writing of the Katana series is awful. It's obviously bought for its sleek Japanese art style. The Vibe series on the other hand is quite good.

10.And most importantly. The characters who chased Green Arrow were not the Justice League or the Crime Syndicate or anything else that farfetched. Let's stick to the facts. The leader of the Secret Society of Super-Villains addresses his lines to Ivo. And what is Professor Ivo known for? Creating Amazo, the android with the powers of every character who has ever been a member of the Justice League. We know the League defeated Amazo in the issue where Ollie tried to join. So what's Ivo's next attempt. Amazo was only one being. What if he only put one Leaguer's power set in each robotic being. They couldn't all concentrate their firepower on one target. They'd be evenly matched in numbers. Time for robot dupicates of the League. They could even have a catchy name like the Amazoids.

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Could've used more characters from cancelled titles like Captain Atom, Omac, Blue Beetle, Static, Michael Holt, etc.

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- Selina v.s. Bruce, and WW v.s. katana? Is this a joke?