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The Evolution of Cyclops—How the X-Men's Leader Lost His Heart

How did the X-Men's leader change from compassionate teammate to ruthless tactician?

Being a comic book fan can sometimes feel like an uphill battle; one where you, the reader, are so heavily invested in any given character, concept or title for years; but are virtually helpless in the direction of said character or concept. The direction of a character is left up to the creative team of the title or book—and when you have over fifty years of character history that has changed hands from one creative team to the next, the character is bound to evolve in one way or another.

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Sometimes, characters change so much, that they are hardly recognizable when compared to their first appearance. One example of a very prominent character that has undergone drastic personality changes is Cyclops, the leader of the X-Men.

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This observation sort of came out of left field for me since I had never really been invested in Cyclops as a character, and I hadn't really read many of Cyclops' past appearances, up until recently when I had to read some back issues of Chris Claremont's X-Men searching for Moira MacTaggert's first appearance. It was in the first few pages of X-Men #96 that I was completely caught by surprise.

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Who the heck is this guy? He looks like Cyclops- blue suit, funny visor—but he's not acting like the Cyclops I'm familiar with. The first few panels in X-Men #96 take place after the death of one of Cyclops' former teammates, Thunderbird. It was Thunderbird's second mission, and he failed in his attempt at stopping Count Nefaria- a move that ultimately led to his death. It was a death that happened under Cyclops' watch and there was nothing Scott could do to stop it. In the first few panels of the issue, Scott is depicted walking through the woods, mourning the death of his teammate and the fact that there was nothing he could do to stop it. In fact, he is so overcome with emotion and grief, that he momentarily loses control of his powers.

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Fast forward to the relaunch of X-Force by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost. In the very first issue of the series, and within the first few panels, Cyclops approaches Wolverine and tells him that not only does he want to relaunch X-Force to do the X-Men's dirty work- but that he had already sent Wolverine's "clone," X-23 into battle. X-23 who is a fragile, teenage girl; had been manipulated and used as a weapon to kill and was created as a result of the Weapon X project. Cast aside and treated like less than a person, X-23 falls victim to Cyclops's inability to acknowledge her as anything but a tool.

This Cyclops has a blatant disregard for a child's psychological instability and has no problem treating her like she's always been treated- a weapon. This Cyclops is pretty heartless. Why would he send a fragile X-23 off to join X-Force, a team of mutant killers that have to put their code of ethics to the side to get the job done? Rather than exhibiting the same concern that Xavier did for Scott as a young mutant trying to find himself, Scott has no concern for Laura. This is not the only time Cyclops has nonchalantly sacrificed a team member, either. Towards the end of Second Coming, Cyclops sent Cable along with X-Force forward into the future in order to shut down the Nimrod production line—knowing full well that there would be a good chance the group would not be able to return. The result? Hope is left helpless and without a father, with only Scott to blame. Essentially, Scott killed his own son.

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When did Cyclops go from an emotional and caring team member, to a heartless team leader whose only concern is to get the job done? Cyclops' first real dramatic change in character occurred after X-Men: The Search For Cyclops in which Cyclops was consumed by Apocalypse. Even after Scott was saved by Nate and Jean Grey, Scott was permanently altered. His personality changed and he eventually has an affair with Emma Frost. Hand spirals even further into darkness following the death of Jean Grey.

The question is, must Scott sacrifice compassion for his teammates in order to be a powerful leader? Does this lack of compassion make him a better leader, anyway, or could it be hindering him in some way? What do you think of Scott Summers' evolution from then up until now, and do you think he's making the right decisions for the X-Men? Could his decisions be what cause the 'schism'?

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Cyclops has always been a jerk, its no news, when you get your girlfriend dead, you find someone that looks identical to her, and start to date her because of that, then you dump her while she's pregnant so you can get your ressurected girlfriend back you're an idiot of all sizes.

 

recently Jean goes out again, next thing you find Logan pissed off looking at Cyke on the bed with Emma, and I'm not following X-Men but i bet as soon as Jean returns, Emma is gonna be royally dumped as well, very likely turning her into a villain again.

 

If i was Logan I would already make sure he wouldn't approach any other woman, and Logan has the tools to do that. 

 

 

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@aetheldod said:
Im not  a reader of x men , but I saw the 90 animated show and cyclops was a jerk and I hate him , Wolverine should kick his ass and be the head of the x men
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from whiny teen to whiny adult to badass1

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I've kind of dropped out of comics, but I have been watching comments around this whole SCHISM thing and I see that everyone hates CYCLOPS. It sort of baffled me, because when I was growing up and living and breathing comics, Cyclops was the epitome of the noble leader. The guy people followed because they couldn't help it. Cap is kind of like that, too, but Cap was also a loner. He could do it either way. Cyclops didn't really exist without the X-Men. They were his whole life.

But I can see he's turning into a bit of a nut job, but, in a way... it's natural. If the weight of the world has been on your shoulders for so long it's natural for you to make compromises and eventually you compromise so much that you don't even realize you are compromising anymore. I think this has happened to a lot of real leaders. 
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@SleepyDrug:

 He is no longer worthy of being the guardian of Xavier's dream.

Question is, if Xavier's dream is worth defending? Anti-mutant fractions keep appearing and appearing. You can't salvage what was left of mutant race if you keep fighting in kid's gloves. Cyclops was absolutely right to create X-Force.
Does he treat X-23 as a tool? He has to. X-23 has unique set of skills and experience, prefect for black ops missions. Was it damaging to her psyche? Maybe, but I think sitting and waiting for another attack is worse. X-23 knew that she was useful and she saves lives of the mutants, including her friends, by killing mutant-haters.
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@FoxxFireArt said:

Hey, I don't think we can be too judgmental against Scott for his personality change. With as many times as his own wife has either died or revived on him.  It would leave anyone cynical. Not to mention that when she is alive she's frequently flirting with Wolverine. She was obviously never satisfied with her marriage and never completely committed to it. That marriage has been the most perverse exercise in "till death do us part" I've ever seen.Remember that his affair only started because Jean was pushing him away. He was trying to get help, but Jean refused to even try to help him with this darkness. Instead she went into the arms of Wolverine. The only reason that didn't turn into an affair was because Wolverine pushed her away.

My sentiments exactly.  I would also argue that his relationship with Emma is healthier than with Jean.  Scott and Jean together were like those two people who got together in high school,  or college and eventually married.  Everyone saw them as a perfect couple.  Eventually as Jean became less human she used Scott to ground herself and that was about it.  That and her constant flirting with Wolverine probably shook his confidence, I mean, how can anyone see or respect him as a leader if his own wife doesn't.  With Emma it's different.  They see each other for who they are, they know the other has flaws and they love each other despite that, its a loving, supportive, relationship, which is what they both need. 

I don't see Scott as a jerk either.  In the beginning he was more idealistic, but all the crap he's had to deal with made him change.  People hunting after mutants, Apocolypse, Magneto turning good, then evil, then good again, M-day, finding Hope, saving Hope, keeping his head and his island above water.  That probably doesn't even scratch the surface, but all that would harden anybody.  Scott's a leader, and leaders have to make the tough decisions, even if they're not popular.  Scott's doing everything he can to prevent mutant kind from extinction.

If Wolverine takes over the X-Men after Schism, as soon as #### gets hard, the kind of hard that he can't snikt his way out of, he'll take off like he always does.
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For some reason I find myself always siding with the asshole leaders out to do good in the Marvel universe. I've always been a Scott Summers/Cyclops fan based on his powers; but reading about his actual character intrigued me. Typically I was used to leaders of teams being heroes like Superman, Captain America, etc., but Cyclops  sets up a new breed of heroic leader. The one who isn't afraid of doing what needs to be done. 


With that said, Cyclops is my favourite X-Man and, I have no real reason for this, Hank Pym is my favourite Avenger (well was my favourite since he's not an Avenger anymore). It's the personality of these two characters that I really, truly, dig. They're both assholes, yeah, but they mean well. They are what my mind goes to when people mention anti-heroes (though it also goes to Punisher and Wolverine, but they're the extreme side), and I really dig the idea of ruthless tacticians leading a team over a "boy scout" like Superman. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the idea of Superman or Captain America leading a team through sheer inspiration because it's a really fun idea, but characters who are constantly walking the line by going just a little too far with their orders are really fun to read. Because of this, I personally enjoy the way they took Cyclops; however, they could stand to make him a slightly nicer guy. Only slightly.
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This has always been in Scott, sure, his characterisation has lacked subtlety, which is why it's been below par, but the character arc itself is spot on.

This is a guy who for 10+ years was berated by everyone around him for being a no-confidence loser, whose wife hit on his rival every time she was bored. Scott, with help from Emma pushing him in the right direction, accepted that he is not a perfect human being, but he is the perfect leader for the X-Men. He's taken on what no one else would or could, and saved a race from extinction. But no, he did it without acting like a sanctimonious 12 year old whose view of world politics extends to the difference between Obama and McCain.

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Cyclops has changed but so has the world. Where there were once millions of mutants there are now only a handful. Scott has the pressure of protecting his race on his shoulders these days.
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@nobodythere said:
Wow. Cyke has always been my favourite X-Man. Haven't read any of the modern X-Men, I stepped away in the early nineties and now I'm glad I did. This change, to me, feels very off. The opening statement about being helpless over the direction of a character is very true. I wonder if today's X-Men fans like Cyke this way or long for how he was.

For me its a bit of both. He was never my favorite X-Man, but then again, I never had a strict favorite, around the time Morrison took over, he expressed a interest to revitalize and redefine the character, and Morrison made the character do a lot of things that made long time X-Readers go WTF? (making out with a character on Jeans grave for one) Though at the same time, it seems he brought on a bunch of new Cyclops fans, and he showed Marvel, that maybe they had been underutilizing him as a character. He started becoming integral to the various plot lines and in various articles released around the time, interviews, with editors, they expressed a wish to sort of push Cyclops into being, well sort of like a house hold name. Sort of broaden his appeal, and so efforts to push him to the top of the pile. Some parts of these elements i am glad for, but its almost too much. I long for a lot of parts of the old Cyke. Ironically all it took for many non fans of Cyclops to like him, and find him interesting was to make him more like Wolverine and Magneto. That being said, I still like how Peter David, Mike Carey, Kyle and Yost, and M Liu write him. its just the narrative parts and roles set by Uncanny and Matt Fractions characterization that is causing a lot of issues with people. 
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Wow. Cyke has always been my favourite X-Man. Haven't read any of the modern X-Men, I stepped away in the early nineties and now I'm glad I did. This change, to me, feels very off. The opening statement about being helpless over the direction of a character is very true. I wonder if today's X-Men fans like Cyke this way or long for how he was.

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Thanks for this article. They've made me hate Cyclops, I almost dread seeing his face in a panel. The sad fact is though: Almost all the X-Men have lost their voice or had a personality transplant in recent years. .

Xavier is subservient and ineffectual,
Storm is long gone  (occasionally her 90's cartoon version appears in a handful of panels).
Iceman is wallpaper.
Emma is a vapid cliche with dialogue pulled from an episode of Absolutely Fabulous.
Kurt became a bore obsessed with religion (then died).
Rogue is an insufferable wuss, even more emo than when she couldn't touch people.
Then there's poor Bishop... Jubilee...

The only characters being done justice these days are Wolverine, Archangel, Psylocke and Beast. All of that good work doesn't take place in a comic with the name 'X-Men' in the title however. Hopefully the rest turn out to be skrulls in Secret Invasion 2: Mutant Boogaloo.

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I wouldn't blame the character - the fault lies in the recent generation of "writers" that don't know what to do with these characters.  Just as the reboot/special effects era is destroying cinema, the mega-crossover/change-for-the-sake-of-change era in Marvel is ruining what once were great characters and good stories.
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I would hate if Cyke was still the guy he was from the 80's and 90's. That would mean his character would have stagnated. I hate stagnation in my comics. I wanna see characters grow, and that's exactly what Cyclops has been doing, and he's been doing it in the best way.

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I like what Cyclops has become, he's adapted and grown as a competent leader in order to prevent an entire race from extinction. I think he's wrongly prejudiced against for his affair (Jean wasn't innocent in that).

What is more interesting, in my opinion, is the ethics and morals of Beast.
He abandoned his own dying race for questionable moral issues. Granted he didn't necessarily have to agree with Cyclops' decisions to reinstate X-Force, but he should at least have had the moral decency to stick by his friends in order to defend the last hope of mutant salvation (Hope). Nightcrawler was visibly outraged by X-Force, yet he knew what was important, and even gave his life to save Hope. Beast even left after Kurt's funeral, knowing full well how dire the situation his life-long friends were in and didn't even come to San Francisco when the dome came up. He turned his back on his race and friends, which, to me, is far more heartless than what Cyclops has been doing.
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I hated Cyclops but now I like him
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@ babs

 

"The question is, must Scott sacrifice compassion for his teammates in order to be a powerful leader? "

 

Since he leads the X-men, Cyclops never wants to be the leader or power for himself. Never.

 

It's a gross misinterpretation of the character, I guess.

 

Hihane washte.

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@Blurred View said:
It's an overreaction to accuse Cyclops of being heartless and losing his humanity and really not something supported by the comics.

Cyclops was trained to be the leader mutants needed him to be and that's what he has become. He was never supposed to be another Xavier. Mutants didn't need another dreamer. They needed someone to make the tough decisions. The situation became less about civil rights and more about imminent extinction. Cyclops reacted accordingly. Who gave him the right to decide? All the mutants who have been choosing to follow him did. 

Making tough decisions doesn't make you heartless. It makes you a leader. Cyclops cared that he sent Cable on a suicide mission. He just did it anyway. That was his job. That's what people were depending on him to do. It's not about lacking compassion. It's about knowing what you have to sometimes do in spite of it. He weighed Laura's possible rehabilitation against the need for her skills. If a leader can't make these calls, then yes, that is a bad leader.

I love the developments in Cyclops' character lately. I see it as an evolution like the title says and not some dramatic personality shift. I've always seen Cyclops as one of the more pragmatic leaders, and it's great that circumstances have fallen into place that allowed him to really become the strong leader figure he should be. The real shame here is that Storm hasn't been around to take the natural opposition role as the more idealistic one, and it just seems wrong that Schism is going with Wolverine instead of her.
That is exactly what I was thinking! I feel like every since the X-Men movies, the editors have pushed Storm to the back to better focus on Cyclops, so if they ever do a reboot he won't get the same treatment. If anything, the pushing to the back burner should have happened to Wolverine and not her. In the 90's cartoon, I believe Storm and Cyclops' depictions were dead on. The movie, not so much. And that's why fan boys like Fraction had that knee jerk reaction and went over board with beefing up Cyclops' character at the - of Storm's character. IMHO
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With the way he acts now, seeing only the end goal, and operating in a "end justifies the means" sort of way, it is no surprise seeing the Fear Itself solict with him dressed as Magneto.

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@Arcee Well said.
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Sorry, I have a real problem with kings (one exception : Black Bolt)...

 

... but I didn't want break your heart. I swear :)

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Cyclops is the Kobe Bryant of mutants. Very talented, at one point, very desperate for the validation of an older more respected leader(s), now, consumed by achieving the objective no matter what the cost. He is often whiny, self absorbed, manipulative, and cocky.

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I'm not convinced Scott has lost his heart at all. He's just playing the part he believes he must play to save his people.

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@Arcee: Very nice post.
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Bring back Jean Grey and you'll get the good hearted -  flirts with Psylocke - good old leader Cyclops back :)
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I don't like Cyclops as a leader and as a jerk.
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@Arcee said:
You really have to keep in mind that M-Day really changed the X-Men's standing in the Marvel Universe. They once represented a race of humans that was set to become the dominant race in the world to being on the verge of extinction. As leader of the X-Men, and de facto leader of the mutant race, he doesn't have the luxury to second guess himself. He sees that he has to make the hard choices, ones that Cable once advocated as a mutant survivor from his future, to protect what is left of them. Sure, every death of a mutant brings them one step closer to extinction, a fact that weighs heavily on his mind. But if that one death helps prevent the death of many others, you have to do what is best for the majority. With regards to his treatment of Laura, the same rules apply. If you have a weapon at your disposal that you can use to protect you and yours, it is a simple decision to make. Does he know that he is hurting her in the process? Of course he does. In Second Coming, despite hard choices he made, he was still conscious of the hurtful and vicious consequences of his actions and decisions. The choices Cyclops is making now is no different than that of a president or general charged with protecting their land and people. Every sacrifice is hard, but they must be made. As Cyclops has taken on the full role of leader, this was something that was inevitable, and I believe has made him a more interesting and realistic character. Don't be surprised that if the fate of the mutant race changes in the future, there will be a storyline delving into the personal ramifications of his choices during this time. It may end up tearing him apart in the end. One needs only look back in history to see the toll these decisions take on responsible and caring leaders during times of war. And for the X-Men and mutants in general, do not fool yourself into thinking that they are not fighting a war of survival at the moment.
This right here. Cyclopes gets way too much hate nowadays.
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You really have to keep in mind that M-Day really changed the X-Men's standing in the Marvel Universe. They once represented a race of humans that was set to become the dominant race in the world to being on the verge of extinction. As leader of the X-Men, and de facto leader of the mutant race, he doesn't have the luxury to second guess himself. He sees that he has to make the hard choices, ones that Cable once advocated as a mutant survivor from his future, to protect what is left of them. Sure, every death of a mutant brings them one step closer to extinction, a fact that weighs heavily on his mind. But if that one death helps prevent the death of many others, you have to do what is best for the majority. With regards to his treatment of Laura, the same rules apply. If you have a weapon at your disposal that you can use to protect you and yours, it is a simple decision to make. Does he know that he is hurting her in the process? Of course he does. In Second Coming, despite hard choices he made, he was still conscious of the hurtful and vicious consequences of his actions and decisions. The choices Cyclops is making now is no different than that of a president or general charged with protecting their land and people. Every sacrifice is hard, but they must be made. As Cyclops has taken on the full role of leader, this was something that was inevitable, and I believe has made him a more interesting and realistic character. Don't be surprised that if the fate of the mutant race changes in the future, there will be a storyline delving into the personal ramifications of his choices during this time. It may end up tearing him apart in the end. One needs only look back in history to see the toll these decisions take on responsible and caring leaders during times of war. And for the X-Men and mutants in general, do not fool yourself into thinking that they are not fighting a war of survival at the moment.

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i can't believe he forced x 23 to join x force she is a fragile girl your using her like the people from who you saved her so wrong rogue and storm need to take charge after schism storm should take charge again

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@JonesDeini:  X-Factor Nation X One Shot my friend, if you don't have it. X-Factor is especially good generally, but that issue talks about and covers much of what is discussed in this thread. It does so expertly. Its what I expect of X-Men. I am a fan of most of these characters, I don't want one to be the best and the other to be a jerk. I don't want Storm in Cyclops current position, but I get the feeling a lot of the pro Cyclops decisions posters in this thread might change their tune. Just as I am sure there are people who dislike Cyclops who are only criticizing him here because its Cyclops. Where are the X-Men fans? Cyclops, Magneto, Xavier, Emma, Namor, Wolverine. Some of the biggest egos on the planet, all on one island? The potential for some of the most dramatic, enlightening, insightful, emotionally charged discussions on some of the most important subjects is here. Tension, arguments, discussion. This is a writers dream scenario. Nation X did this with Cyclops and Madrox and both characters came out looking great. A tough leader who has to make the unpopular decisions and who carries a heavy burden is a oversimplified device, I expect way more, all the characters I mentioned are way more complicated and deserve more! 

Oh and your post man, very epic! Lots of great points all around. I don't mind boosting Cyclops either, I think he deserves it, and has earned it. I just wish they chose who was doing the boosting better lol, Kyle and Yost... Carey... Liu... lets see how Aaron does, who knows... 
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I don't really know much about Cyclops but this is how I see it. He is now the leader, he is responsible for the safety and the well being of the few hundred mutants that were left after the M-Day. He has to make some tough decisions, he doesn't have the luxury or the time to sit and think about how the others feel about his decisions. Ok, his decisions are not liked by anyone. There is nothing that can be done about this, there is always going to be someone who disagrees. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has but who hasn't? A leader isn't only someone who makes decisions that everyone likes but also someone who will do the right thing even if this is going to make him look bad to others.

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@SC: To continue our private convo

I agree editors have had a mission to boost Scott, which I don't mind. I do agree with you that it's come at the cost of some characters. 1) Chuck was retconned to be an asshole who couldnt' be trusted. That all just felt wrong to me, he's no saint but the went a bit far. 2) Bishop was turned into a treacherous Villain. Utter and total bullshit and I can't say just how much it pained me to see that 3) Emma went from being a strong independent women who told him at the beginning of Austen's run that she was going to continue the school with or without him to being his girlfriend and do girl. I miss their relationship being a partnership. That's one thing that sorely needs to happen again. 4) I have no issue with Magneto respecting Scott, BUT I agree that Erik's being a bit too willing to march to Scott's tune. I must say that panel where he more or less says "Scotty boy, you're so awesome look at you doing what I or Charles could never do! You are Neo!!!" and then Pledges his fealty was more than a bit much. Their relationship should be something closer to Reed's and Doom's in FF. 4) If Magneto's complicity is odd Namor's is downright baffling. Imperious Rex following  anybody's orders?! wha?! That is not in his character. Though I do like the way that Fraction dealt with this during Second Coming and Quarantine Scott knows how to get Namor to respond by appealing to his pride and when that doesn't work he let's Emma deal with him. And Namor has no real reason to be an X-Man other that at the time Dark Reign dictated he needed to be. That being said. Screw logic, I just love me some Namor!!! lol

And I really, really need to be reading X-Factor

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But he's Imperious...Rex :'-( 
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Oh see, I just remembered something. X-Factor. X-Factor is my queen and she serves me well. Writer with a degree more freedom than other writers and a willingness to not try and sell concepts without actually demonstrating validity. Covered Cyclops and his actions and decisions, and the flaws and negatives of those things, with the pros as well, being countered with some actual opposition. Madrox brought it,  with his arguments. He brought it far more and better than Storm, or Xavier, or Beast, or Kurt. If he can, why can't they? Cyclops or the character of Cyclops, (like I said in my first post, I can't separate the in story from the fact its a writer trying their best to justify their character decisions to fulfill their plot, especially when the writer is a pro plot writer often criticized for weaker characterization and consistency) anyway, this character as written there, in Nation X, it basically came down to a faith thing. Tactics? Tough decisions? Pragmatism? Leadership? Its just faith, and thats okay. There is a slight irony that Madrox stalemated him in an exchange of ideas, values and so forth. Given how messed up he can otherwise be. Of course that issue was way deeper and better at validating "Cyclops" decisions all the same than Uncanny run. Plus he was actually likable there in multiple contexts and no one even had to kneel or call him teh greatest, call him the savior, or king, or yadda yadda. 

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Only jerks I see in the "Second Coming" issues is Beast (questioning the leader's authority during a war without proposing another way), Namor (you remember I'm a king ? You remember I'm a king ? Hey, I ever tell you I'm a...)

 

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I believe one of the qualities of a leader is to take the burden of every decision, even if they are dark ones. The point is, it's all on him and not x-men. I believe in Cyclops, just like all team members must believe in their leader or it won't work at all. He's proven himself through the years.

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Hi !

 

 "(...) I'd go to jail with a smile on my face. Because I'd do it all again. Because of what we did here, I know that somehow... we're going to survive."

 

Only jerks I see in the "Second Coming" issues is Beast (questioning the leader's authority during a war without proposing another way), Namor (you remember I'm a king ? You remember I'm a king ? Hey, I ever tell you I'm a...), Rogue (exposing Hope's life to please her... cute) and Wolverine (making X-force HIS thing... What does the teenagers' posterboy not understand in "don't want X-force to be part of that future" ?)

 

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Yup, yup. I'm sure there might've been some version of him during her confrontation with Hellverine in her mind, BUT in the physical Scott was never possessed or doing anything creepy to Laura lol. He stood up for against the Surge. And he set her up with her volunteer work at the shelter. He also appears in a few panels with storm/emma/logan discussing what he/they can and should do for her. I have no idea what any of the people complaining about Liu's treatment of Cyke were basing this on. 

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Agreed Storm is the only viable opposition I can see my self siding with over Scott. But even then I'm soo sick and tired of the elements of schism being repeated not just in the X-Men but in marvel's titles in general. 
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Cyclops is still under Apocalypse's influence. He does not care for the loss of weaker mutants, sent his son to his death, and regards team members as expendable. The Great One weeps not for the weak, he is preparing the crowd for the Celestials return.

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And I hate how Bishop was made into the bad guy, terrible choice. 

X-Editorial is forcing lots of weird ideas in a bit to cater to fans supposed short attention spans. They rely on the fact the more savvy readers are the type who will buy no matter what, and X-Books not being number 1 franchise anymore isn't that big of a concern to Marvel. All books are bleeding sales anyway. X-Books need more pro all characters creators. Plus quality too! Quality writers, rely less on gimmicks. 


@The Dark Huntress:  I made sure he knew it was not Cyclops!! V_V *red*
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Okay, too, too tired to address all of this, but at what point was Cycke a pedo demon? Cuz I saw that nowhere in the first three issues. I know "Hellverine" was trying to get Laura to serve him, but Scott was trying to find a way to make amends for what he'd done and help her work through her issues. 

And I hate how Bishop was made into the bad guy, terrible choice. 
He wasn't. There's a Cyclops the pedophile thread running around somewhere with the scans in it. Long story short, it was Hellverine either taking the form of or possessing Cyke in a bid to really really really screw with Laura's head. It was NOT Cyclops AT ALL. 
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@SC said:
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Okay, too, too tired to address all of this, but at what point was Cycke a pedo demon? Cuz I saw that nowhere in the first three issues. I know "Hellverine" was trying to get Laura to serve him, but Scott was trying to find a way to make amends for what he'd done and help her work through her issues. 

Cyclops wasn't, a demonic dream manifestation thing that looked like him... yikes, I can't remember. In the Cyclops Forum or X-23 forum though, in the last 12 hours a thread has been bumped which has all the scans in them I do know though, I know a few Cyclops fans at other sites, thought this was Liu vilifying him unfairly to point out how poor his treatment of X-23 was. That thread should be easy to find, and if you don't have it, you can see what i mean. 
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It's an overreaction to accuse Cyclops of being heartless and losing his humanity and really not something supported by the comics.


Cyclops was trained to be the leader mutants needed him to be and that's what he has become. He was never supposed to be another Xavier. Mutants didn't need another dreamer. They needed someone to make the tough decisions. The situation became less about civil rights and more about imminent extinction. Cyclops reacted accordingly. Who gave him the right to decide? All the mutants who have been choosing to follow him did. 

Making tough decisions doesn't make you heartless. It makes you a leader. Cyclops cared that he sent Cable on a suicide mission. He just did it anyway. That was his job. That's what people were depending on him to do. It's not about lacking compassion. It's about knowing what you have to sometimes do in spite of it. He weighed Laura's possible rehabilitation against the need for her skills. If a leader can't make these calls, then yes, that is a bad leader.

I love the developments in Cyclops' character lately. I see it as an evolution like the title says and not some dramatic personality shift. I've always seen Cyclops as one of the more pragmatic leaders, and it's great that circumstances have fallen into place that allowed him to really become the strong leader figure he should be. The real shame here is that Storm hasn't been around to take the natural opposition role as the more idealistic one, and it just seems wrong that Schism is going with Wolverine instead of her.
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@SC said:

@Ferro Vida said: 

Okay, too, too tired to address all of this, but at what point was Cycke a pedo demon? Cuz I saw that nowhere in the first three issues. I know "Hellverine" was trying to get Laura to serve him, but Scott was trying to find a way to make amends for what he'd done and help her work through her issues. 

And I hate how Bishop was made into the bad guy, terrible choice. 
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Cyclops.  Where other characters are heroes, anti-heroes, or villains, he is simply a dick.
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