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The Amazing Spider-Man 3: Why 'Kraven's Last Hunt' Can Work

We explain why J.M. DeMatteis and Mike Zeck's epic story from 1987 would be a great choice for the next Spider-Man movie.

J.M. DeMatteis and Mike Zeck's Kraven's Last Hunt is without question one of the most compelling Spider-Man story arcs. It's a dark and twisted character study that's totally engrossing. It's all about Kraven's search for happiness and the toll it takes on Peter Parker. DeMatteis and Zeck's narrative is a brilliant ride and honestly, we think The Amazing Spider-Man 3 should be inspired by it.

*Contains Kraven's Last Hunt and The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 spoilers*

Spider-Man's cinematic future with Sony is still unclear, but we do know they're interested in releasing Sinister Six before The Amazing Spider-Man 3. There's no final word yet on the story they'd use in the villainous team's movie or how involved Andrew Garfield will be, but we do know one thing: they're likely going to use Sergei Kravinoff, a.k.a. Kraven the Hunter (this is based on The Amazing Spider-Man 2's hidden credits scene). Also, director Marc Webb told ComicBook.com that he wants to use the character and thinks Kraven's interesting. Now, there's obviously plenty of ways to use Kraven in a story and he's had his fair share of encounters with Spider-Man, but if your objective is to wow audiences with a great movie, you should draw inspiration from the best source material available. In Kraven's case, that's Kraven's Last Hunt.

In case you haven't read the story, we'll give you a quick recap. That said, we stongly encourage reading it for yourself at some point. Seriously, do it. Anyway, Kraven the Hunter is a man who loves challenging hunts. He's conquered every obstacle he's faced, but one keeps eluding him: Spider-Man. No matter how much he stacks the odds in his favor, Spider-Man's raw physical might always overcomes Sergei's skill and tactics. Sergei has even dared to go strike for strike with the wall-crawler, but eventually, Peter's sheer strength and speed proved to be too much for Sergei's own level of durability. Oh, and in case you didn't know, Sergei isn't simply a human wearing crazy clothing. Thanks to herbs and potions, his strength, agility, speed, and durability has been boosted. He also ages much slower than an ordinary human and he's been hunting for decades. He's not on Spider-Man's level in any of these physical attributes, but it's just enough to make a brawl between the two amusing enough.

Sergei is determined to overcome this final challenge and, thanks to Spider-Man making a critical mistake, the villain tags Spider-Man in the neck with a dart. Now that he's drugged, Spidey stands no chance and, after being captured in a net, Kraven aims a rifle at Peter and pulls the trigger. Now, you all probably know Spider-Man wasn't really killed (the projectile drugged Parker and put him in a state simulating death), but this allowed Kraven to bury the hero and then pose as him for two weeks.

Kraven channels his inner Groot.

Why pose as Spidey, you ask? So he can prove to himself that he's superior to Spider-Man. That's right, it looks like Sergei beat Doctor Octopus to the title! After slipping into a black Spider-Man costume, Kraven locates Vermin and defeats him in an absolutely savage brawl. This was important to Sergei because the web-slinger previously required Captain America's help to defeat Vermin, but Sergei did it on his own.

Motivated by his love for Mary Jane, Spider-Man eventually breaks out of his coffin, makes it back to the surface and confronts Sergei. However, Kraven refuses to fight back because he already won and, to him, there's no topping this victory. He set up a scenario that kept Spider-Man occupied and this gave Sergei some alone time to reflect on his victory and what it means. Having finally found true happiness and feeling complete, Sergei gazes at a picture of his family, puts a gun in his mouth and then pulls the trigger.

One of the few honorable villains.

Sounds a little too dark for a Spider-Man movie that's trying to win over a wide range of fans, doesn't it? Well, let's keep in mind we watched Gwen Stacy's horrific death in the last movie and, in the first one, her father was stabbed by the Lizard (the Spidey movie universe is a rough place for that family, isn't it?). Just because a movie is inspired by an overwhelming dark story arc obviously doesn't mean it needs to follow it scene-for-scene. They're more than capable of working in some of the signature Spidey banter and comedy before taking a more serious turn. The truly important part is giving Kraven and Spider-Man depth and making us experience and understand what it is they hold near and dear in this life. This would mean giving the two more depth than we've any of the characters in the movie universe receive so far. Even as a fan of both movies, it's easy to see this is something they need more of. Not only will it place these character front and center, but the hallucinations both experience hold the potential for some very clever and seriously cool scenes.

It's not like it'll be tough to introduce Kraven to this cinematic world, either. Spider-Man's activities and accomplishments aren't top secret and, as "the world's greatest hunter," Sergei has learned about "the Spider" and traveled to New York so he can face his biggest challenge yet. As for how he can compete with the superhuman hero, the writers should stay true to the source material and justify it with potions and herbs that have enhanced his abilities. It's a simple reason and allows them to move forward with the story. The last thing we need is Kraven being the result of some Oscorp experimentation. Speaking of Oscrop, it's more than likely Harry Osborn will play a role, and he could be pulling Sergei's strings from behind the scenes. He could essentially be egging Sergei on and motivate him into thinking that there is no challenge greater than taking down Spider-Man. This way it keeps Harry as the universe's "big bad" and shows off his ability to manipulate. The dynamic between these two villains could be interesting to observe as well. And no, Kraven wouldn't need to wear just a loincloth or anything else that would look ridiculous on the big screen. As you can see below, he looked thoroughly cool in Grim Hunt (which is a great follow-up, by the way) and it would be easy to make a new design inspired by that costume.

Doesn't look so silly now, does he?

Aside from character arcs, what else can they take from the story? That's a solid question, random reader! It seems like they could easily keep Vermin in the story and stay true to those parts (well, they'd need to tone down a few scenes so it doesn't frighten children). Seeing as Oscorp is a big fan of experiments and then attempting to cover its tracks, the possibility of them creating Vermin and losing control of it doesn't seem very far-fetched, especially when we saw a giant lizard dude attempt to turn the people of New York into lizards and Jamie Foxx zip around as pure electricity. Vermin's easy to bring into this universe and they could say he's been lurking in the sewers, occasionally going to the surface to assault people. Spider-Man could finally spot this creature and have a very public brawl as he attempts to protect people from it. It'll be televised and, through sheer luck or perhaps some help from the authorities, Vermin will be forced to retreat. By doing this, Kraven becomes aware of the creature Spider-Man could not defeat without cheating and this would serve as his inspiration when he later tries to prove he's "superior." Needless to say, this could produce one of the most gripping fight scenes in the franchise. As for the black suit, Kraven could make it and it would be his own twist on being Spider-Man. There's no need to rush Spidey into that suit just yet and doing that would draw blatant parallels to Spider-Man 3. So, black suit for just Kraven and maybe -- just maybe -- that'll one day motivate Spider-Man to step into a similar costume.

A big part of Spider-Man's journey is his love for Mary Jane and that helps him escape his coffin. It seems probable they'll bring Mary Jane into the picture, but rushing the relationship would be in poor taste -- he really shouldn't be saying "I love you" to Mary Jane before being defeated by Kraven. You know, because of what happened with Gwen. However, that doesn't mean Spider-Man's scenes while he's buried would be any less effective. At this point, he could be dating MJ and feeling conflicted over how to handle it, but the thought of being taken from this world could make him realize he does love her and it's okay to begin moving forward (this will probably be a year or more after Gwen's death). He'll never forget Gwen, but this scenario could make him put his life in perspective and he'll fight harder than ever before to get free and protect the people he loves from the evil that's in the world. He's already faced his biggest failure and you can bet he'll do everything possible to avoid letting that happen again. With him buried and out of commission, the city is open to attacks from the Sinister Six and others. Who would protect Aunt May or MJ if that happened? Clearly, the authorities are outclassed when it comes to these superhuman threats and the city needs Spider-Man. This experience could enhance his dynamic with those two and generate some more emotional and compelling scenes.

Having a story inspired by Kraven's Last Hunt means the movie will avoid an all-too-familiar, cookie cutter kind of plot and that's exactly what this franchise needs. We know they have what it takes to sprinkle plenty of comedy and spectacle into these Spider-Man movies, but this would give them an opportunity to focus on character development and a gripping narrative. Despite enjoying both of Webb's movies, it does feel like they've been playing it safe and this would be a very welcome change of pace -- one that could possibly even change many minds about Sony's handling of the property.

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Posted by laflux

Fantastic Article K4tz.

Posted by Life_Without_Progress

Now the question is: would leopard pants and laser tits work in the movie?

Posted by SilverPool

Sounds like a great idea imo. I think they would need Mary Jane to be introduced before this happened.

Posted by i_dont_like_comics

amazing spider-man 3. a movie more unwanted than a sequel to green lantern.

Posted by dondave
Posted by Fallschirmjager

no explanation needed.

Posted by Anjales

In order for a Kraven's Last Hunt inspired movie to work, Kraven needs to be the central villain of the movie, and let's face it, it doesn't seem to be the case. The previous movie all but teased that the next movie will feature the sinister six as the main villains, with the Goblin being their leader. Sony seems so determined on the idea that they're even giving them their own movie. The Sinister Six movie will probably give the villains their motivations and origin stories in order to establish them, and the next ASM movie will feature the main conflict with Spidey. Kraven's Last Hunt can only work if Kraven is his own man, and not part of a large group. I can see Harry pulling the strings, but Kraven should mainly work alone for this story to work. Now, it is possible that they can make Kraven the villain of ASM3 with Harry subtly pulling the string, and then in the end of the movie, Harry comes in with the rest of the villains, setting up the conclusion of the overall story in ASM4 (which apparently Andrew Garfield and Marc Webb don't seem to be attached to yet). Still I doubt they'd go with that direction, and the story can work but they have to make a lot of changes.

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Posted by PunyParker

If someone able handled it,sure........

Edited by Grimoire

So the plot would be for Spider-Man to fight then lose in the end so the bad guy could then commit suicide?

Posted by w0nd

@grimoire said:

So the plot would be for Spider-Man to fight then lose in the end so the bad guy could then commit suicide?

A bad guy we were JUST introduced to. Wouldn't put it past them, "hey look harry's back, uh oh Harry's a dick, now he's evil...."

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@w0nd said:

@grimoire said:

So the plot would be for Spider-Man to fight then lose in the end so the bad guy could then commit suicide?

A bad guy we were JUST introduced to. Wouldn't put it past them, "hey look harry's back, uh oh Harry's a dick, now he's evil...."

This is working under the impression he's first introduced and gets a bit of the spotlight in Sinister Six.

@laflux said:

Fantastic Article K4tz.

Thank you.

@silverpool said:

Sounds like a great idea imo. I think they would need Mary Jane to be introduced before this happened.

Yeah, it would be tricky to handle it well, but given a proper runtime and setup, I think they could make it work.

@anjales said:

In order for a Kraven's Last Hunt inspired movie to work, Kraven needs to be the central villain of the movie, and let's face it, it doesn't seem to be the case. The previous movie all but teased that the next movie will feature the sinister six as the main villains, with the Goblin being their leader. Sony seems so determined on the idea that they're even giving them their own movie. The Sinister Six movie will probably give the villains their motivations and origin stories in order to establish them, and the next ASM movie will feature the main conflict with Spidey. Kraven's Last Hunt can only work if Kraven is his own man, and not part of a large group. I can see Harry pulling the strings, but Kraven should mainly work alone for this story to work. Now, it is possible that they can make Kraven the villain of ASM3 with Harry subtly pulling the string, and then in the end of the movie, Harry comes in with the rest of the villains, setting up the conclusion of the overall story in ASM4 (which apparently Andrew Garfield and Marc Webb don't seem to be attached to yet). Still I doubt they'd go with that direction, and the story can work but they have to make a lot of changes.

Appreciate you taking the time for that response! Well, this article is based on the idea that Kraven is given his introduction and a wee bit of development in Sinister Six. I think his time with that team could motivate him to pursue his own goals and almost prove he's "superior" to the others. If they do make SS a mostly Spider-Man-free movie, then yeah, ASM 3 will likely be vs that team, and KLH could work for ASM 4. It's still unclear how they're handling the future but honestly, it's tough for me to imagine they'd move forward with SS without Spider-Man being in it (perhaps that's where they'd introduce MJ, too). But we shall see!

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Posted by powerplay

Now the question is: would leopard pants and laser tits work in the movie?

The laser nipples are the backbone of the movie. Don't see how it could work without them

Posted by w0nd

@k4tzm4n: I would have preferred they did the whole, them being friends a bit longer before he goes nuts,and had some more interaction with Norman, but oh well it is what it is.

Posted by k4tzm4n

@w0nd said:

@k4tzm4n: I would have preferred they did the whole, them being friends a bit longer before he goes nuts,and had some more interaction with Norman, but oh well it is what it is.

I agree Harry's transformation seemed rushed.

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Posted by Fallschirmjager

@k4tzm4n said:

@w0nd said:

@k4tzm4n: I would have preferred they did the whole, them being friends a bit longer before he goes nuts,and had some more interaction with Norman, but oh well it is what it is.

I agree Harry's transformation seemed rushed.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Harry had more development than most solo villains in CBM's. His personality, motivations were all extremely well laid down.

Posted by i_dont_like_comics

@fallschirmjager: oh, here's harry. did you know harry was best friends with peter? well now you know. oh look. harry found out he has a disease that's killing. oh look just now after he found out the disease is killing him, the disease is killing him, even though it took decades for his dad to die in his 50s he'll die in his 20s. oh look now peter works for the bugle. why? not important. oh look harry needs spider-man's blood. why does he think it's his only shot? because reasons. oh look spidey turned him down, because also reasons, even though spidey could just not have shown up at all. but we needed forced hatred for spidey, so reasons. so well planned out. best in comics. if you keep your eyes closed and your ears plugged and don't think for a second.

Posted by Fallschirmjager

@fallschirmjager: oh, here's harry. did you know harry was best friends with peter? well now you know. oh look. harry found out he has a disease that's killing. oh look just now after he found out the disease is killing him, the disease is killing him, even though it took decades for his dad to die in his 50s he'll die in his 20s. oh look now peter works for the bugle. why? not important. oh look harry needs spider-man's blood. why does he think it's his only shot? because reasons. oh look spidey turned him down, because also reasons, even though spidey could just not have shown up at all. but we needed forced hatred for spidey, so reasons. so well planned out. best in comics. if you keep your eyes closed and your ears plugged and don't think for a second.

still better than Ronan. He definitely requires thinking.

oh wait.

Posted by i_dont_like_comics

@fallschirmjager: i haven't seen guardians yet. but i'm pretty sure its representation of ronin had more thought put in it than both assman movies. marvel cares about their movies.

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@i_dont_like_comics said:

@fallschirmjager: i haven't seen guardians yet. but i'm pretty sure its representation of ronin had more thought put in it than both assman movies. marvel cares about their movies.

It didn't.

And btw your crusade is impressing no one. You should probably reexamine if you actually don't like the movie or if you just want attention by constantly trolling.

Posted by w0nd

@i_dont_like_comics said:

@fallschirmjager: i haven't seen guardians yet. but i'm pretty sure its representation of ronin had more thought put in it than both assman movies. marvel cares about their movies.

It didn't. And if caring about their movies means turning Mandarin from a badass to a retarded stoner for a pretty joke, you have an odd definition of caring.

But feel free to continue your crusade, no one cares.

I thought the mandarin turned out to be an impostor, and the real one is pissed?

Posted by w0nd

@i_dont_like_comics said:

@fallschirmjager: i haven't seen guardians yet. but i'm pretty sure its representation of ronin had more thought put in it than both assman movies. marvel cares about their movies.

It didn't.

And btw your crusade is impressing no one. You should probably reexamine if you actually don't like the movie or if you just want attention by constantly trolling.

What crusade? is there some sort of thread war between you two?

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@w0nd: I edited my comment because I don't feel like hating on other movies to make my point and it would essentially be stooping to his level of childishness.

Its besides the point and has nothing to do with ASM2 which is a way better movie than people give it credit but because its not a Disney property its not overhyped.

Not saying all their movies are bad, but people make up their minds the movies are going to be good before hand just because its Disney. Mean while Fox and Sony movies automatically have negative opinions prior to coming up and always have an uphill battle.

And no, there's no war. He just posts on all Spider related material and cries about it. I was content to ignore him like usual until he tagged me.

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I crave for Kraven.

Posted by i_dont_like_comics

@fallschirmjager: dude, please. have your defending assman 2 moment but don't call someone's opinion crying. stating the truth isn't crying about it. and it has everything to do with the poorly written mess that is assman 2. if you've seen my posts about it, you know why i hate it. also i never said anything about sony or fox and you can't deny the fact that marvel is the better studio when making cbms and deserves our faith in it.

Edited by Lvenger

"Feel the might of my laser powered nipples Spider-Man!"

No but seriously this is a fantastically written article Gregg, though I have accidentally spoiled myself about what happens in TASM2. Ah well it's my fault for not seeing it and Gwen dying was inevitable based on the trailers I guess. Though I was confused as to why you used Kraven's Last Hunt as your basis of the piece, you justified it really well. If this is how they do Kraven for TASM3, I'll be all for it.

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@i_dont_like_comics said:

amazing spider-man 3. a movie more unwanted than a sequel to green lantern.

dude you sound like a hater for real ...yeah asm 2 wasn't the best but you seem like you dont just dislike it...you sound like a devils advocate just hating on people who enjoyed it .... as far as ronin ,,,to me he was the only thing off in GotG ...he acted like ronin from the 60's not the ronin that married crystal of the inhumans and brought the kree back from the edge of extinction. ronin in the comic is a deep thinker but ronin in the GotG movie was a one demensional one trick pony ,but you would'nt know that because you did'nt bother to see that film ...and if you don't like comics why be on comicvine ?

@sasquatch888 well, guy that deleted his post, yes i hate asman 2. with a passion. i am, as you grammatically correctly assessed, a hater, but i am not bound to your narrow minded sense of the word. i do not attack people when they liked it, i ask them why. and when their flimsy reasoning falls apart they do as you did. i have not seen gotg yet. is that a crime? no. what you asked of marvel studios to do with ronan is incredibly premature and a really bad move. too much info, too fast, too unnecessary. have ronan evolve especially since they'll be making an inhumans movie. as for my avatar name, you can't be serious. i know you're not the first to point that out, but this has to stop. i will refrain from putting your intelligence into question if you stop insulting mine. good day.

Posted by TheMetalGearZero

I'm sick to death from all this hate towards the new series... and you guys who think you're... um... "critical"... you're not critical, you're bias and that's that. Jesus - you can love the new films to death like I do - there isn't a shame to it. You don't like the new films? That's cool.

I just haven't found many valid reasons...

Posted by AmazingWebHead

I'm still wondering what Harry has in that bunker for Kraven when he joins the 6. Black ops gear? Performance enhancers?

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@i_dont_like_comics said:

@i_dont_like_comics said:

amazing spider-man 3. a movie more unwanted than a sequel to green lantern.

dude you sound like a hater for real ...yeah asm 2 wasn't the best but you seem like you dont just dislike it...you sound like a devils advocate just hating on people who enjoyed it .... as far as ronin ,,,to me he was the only thing off in GotG ...he acted like ronin from the 60's not the ronin that married crystal of the inhumans and brought the kree back from the edge of extinction. ronin in the comic is a deep thinker but ronin in the GotG movie was a one demensional one trick pony ,but you would'nt know that because you did'nt bother to see that film ...and if you don't like comics why be on comicvine ?

@sasquatch888 well, guy that deleted his post, yes i hate asman 2. with a passion. i am, as you grammatically correctly assessed, a hater, but i am not bound to your narrow minded sense of the word. i do not attack people when they liked it, i ask them why. and when their flimsy reasoning falls apart they do as you did. i have not seen gotg yet. is that a crime? no. what you asked of marvel studios to do with ronan is incredibly premature and a really bad move. too much info, too fast, too unnecessary. have ronan evolve especially since they'll be making an inhumans movie. as for my avatar name, you can't be serious. i know you're not the first to point that out, but this has to stop. i will refrain from putting your intelligence into question if you stop insulting mine. good day.

@i_dont_like_comics said:thats why i deleated my post because i felt it was better unsaid ....anyway why are you even talking ronin still when you never saw GotG ? just to hate on people? lol ...youre like a comedian nobody laughs at ...but youre a great insulter and arguer thank god youre not bound by my narrow filmsy thinking and flimsy reasoning especially your opinion on ronin ...your opinion on ronin as someone who doesnt like comics or has'nt seen GotG is very important to this conversation about ASM3 thank you so much great one lol

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@sasquatch888: i haven't watched gotg yet. i just went by what you said. were you lying? why are you angry, big furry man? you are big and furry right, because that you're name right? of course it is. how could it not be? impossible.

Posted by Cap10nate

I'd definitely watch that movie

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@i_dont_like_comics said:

@sasquatch888: i haven't watched gotg yet. i just went by what you said. were you lying? why are you angry, big furry man? you are big and furry right, because that you're name right? of course it is. how could it not be? impossible.

@sasquatch888said to i_dont_like_comics.. .dude i just like alpha flight so i have the name sasquatch, im not even a hairy big dude so as usual youre way off ..plus who's angry ? my name is dave anyway tell me the reasoning behind the name david now please...trying to diss my physical apperance of which you know nothing about ? .. now who sounds angry ?

Posted by Jayc1324

I didn't read the full article because I already know why kravens last hunt is awesome, but since they're likely using him, it would make sense they at least get a little inspiration from this story. Thats the best way to use kraven.

Posted by TDK_1997

That's one excellent article k4tz. I am a big fan of Kraven and that story and I would be more than happy to see a great interpretation of it on the big screen. As much as I want that to happen I really doubt it, it seems just too dark for Web to pull it off but a man can hope.

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Posted by i_dont_like_comics

@deathstroke02: it's called humor. try it in that european food thread.

Posted by GraniteSoldier

@k4tzm4n: Great article but I have one issue, and perhaps I just didn't read it correctly or skimmed over that particular part but I must ask: despite it being a great idea, do you really think they'd do it over the actual battling of the Sinister Six?

What I mean is since we are getting a Sinister Six movie I feel it is likely to be the team coming together, butting heads (they are villains and several have massive egos) and developing a plan and attack methodology to best combat Spider-Man. Now the problem is more than half the Sinister Six members haven't been introduced yet, so the average moviegoer won't know why these members (like Kraven or Mysterio) have beef with Spidey. I feel this means the Sinister Six movie may also have a series of "flashback moments" to establish Spidey having gotten in their way and stopped them from one thing or another.

This would logically seem, to me at least, that ASM3 will be Spidey combating the Sinister Six, as ASM2's tagline was: "his greatest battle begins here". I took this as the introduction of the Green Goblin and the allusion to the Sinister Six. I could see them going the route of Spidey gaining the symbiote and using that to his advantage to take on the Sinister Six, before having ASM4 cap it off with his confrontation with Venom.

This could allude to a Venom film (which we've heard announced if memory serves) between ASM3 and ASM4, which better establishes Brock as a character and why he hates Spider-Man (Spidey could "ruin" him somehow during Peter's encounter with the Sinister Six) and end the ASM movie series with Peter overcoming Venom. Person fanboy note: it'd be awesome if they ended ASM4 with Peter defeating Eddie, the government taking the symbiote, and the film ending with Flash Thompson bonding with the suit as part of Project: Rebirth.

I may have rambled a bit there but my point is while I feel Kraven's Last Hunt would be an awesome tale to tell in film, I just don't see it likely in the cards with what we have currently seen, what we've seen announced, and with how many films we know they have planned.

Would be an awesome idea though.

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Posted by Anjales

@k4tzm4n said:
@anjales said:

In order for a Kraven's Last Hunt inspired movie to work, Kraven needs to be the central villain of the movie, and let's face it, it doesn't seem to be the case. The previous movie all but teased that the next movie will feature the sinister six as the main villains, with the Goblin being their leader. Sony seems so determined on the idea that they're even giving them their own movie. The Sinister Six movie will probably give the villains their motivations and origin stories in order to establish them, and the next ASM movie will feature the main conflict with Spidey. Kraven's Last Hunt can only work if Kraven is his own man, and not part of a large group. I can see Harry pulling the strings, but Kraven should mainly work alone for this story to work. Now, it is possible that they can make Kraven the villain of ASM3 with Harry subtly pulling the string, and then in the end of the movie, Harry comes in with the rest of the villains, setting up the conclusion of the overall story in ASM4 (which apparently Andrew Garfield and Marc Webb don't seem to be attached to yet). Still I doubt they'd go with that direction, and the story can work but they have to make a lot of changes.

Appreciate you taking the time for that response! Well, this article is based on the idea that Kraven is given his introduction and a wee bit of development in Sinister Six. I think his time with that team could motivate him to pursue his own goals and almost prove he's "superior" to the others. If they do make SS a mostly Spider-Man-free movie, then yeah, ASM 3 will likely be vs that team, and KLH could work for ASM 4. It's still unclear how they're handling the future but honestly, it's tough for me to imagine they'd move forward with SS without Spider-Man being in it (perhaps that's where they'd introduce MJ, too). But we shall see!

Trust me, I would much prefer it if they went with the way you proposed, but realistically speaking, and I really hate to be a downer, I just don't see them actually focusing on one of the villains of the Six besides Goblin. There's just way too much ground to cover and unresolved plots from the past two movies. The mystery of Uncle Ben's Killer, the mysterious man who visited Connors and Harry, whether or not Norman Osborn is really dead, the aftermath of Gwen's death, the introduction of MJ, whether or not Felicia ends up becoming Black Cat and if the rumors are true the female led Spider-Woman movie, the rumored Venom movie and the possible introduction of Carnage. There was also a deleted scene where Peter's dad is revealed to be actually alive! With all that going on, do you think there is enough time to put the spotlight on one of the Six villains? They haven't even confirmed ASM4, and ASM3's direction is still uncertain, not to mention the other rumored spinoffs. From the impression that I got Andrew Garfield isn't involved in anything besides ASM3, I feel like it will focus on the villains with Spidey possibly making some cameos here and there, probably in CGI.

However, as I was writing this post several thoughts came to mind on how they can tie some of these plots together. I was going to post ithere, but since it seemed too long and drifted away from the topic I just decided to give its own thread in the Spider-Man forum here on the Vine. Check it out if you can I would love to read your thoughts.

http://www.comicvine.com/spider-man/4005-1443/forums/sinister-six-movie-and-beyond-theories-1597897/

Posted by RavenVice01

They should cast Gerard Butler or jacek koman as kraven. Koman played the Argentinian from moulin rouge

Posted by MadeinBangladesh

I don't want anything from SONY after horrible ASM 2.

Edited by k4tzm4n

@madeinbangladesh said:

I don't want anything from SONY after horrible ASM 2.

Well, I guess it's a good thing no one is forcing you to buy a ticket :)

@lvenger said:

"Feel the might of my laser powered nipples Spider-Man!"

No but seriously this is a fantastically written article Gregg, though I have accidentally spoiled myself about what happens in TASM2. Ah well it's my fault for not seeing it and Gwen dying was inevitable based on the trailers I guess. Though I was confused as to why you used Kraven's Last Hunt as your basis of the piece, you justified it really well. If this is how they do Kraven for TASM3, I'll be all for it.

Ha, thank you!

@anjales said:

@k4tzm4n said:
@anjales said:

In order for a Kraven's Last Hunt inspired movie to work, Kraven needs to be the central villain of the movie, and let's face it, it doesn't seem to be the case. The previous movie all but teased that the next movie will feature the sinister six as the main villains, with the Goblin being their leader. Sony seems so determined on the idea that they're even giving them their own movie. The Sinister Six movie will probably give the villains their motivations and origin stories in order to establish them, and the next ASM movie will feature the main conflict with Spidey. Kraven's Last Hunt can only work if Kraven is his own man, and not part of a large group. I can see Harry pulling the strings, but Kraven should mainly work alone for this story to work. Now, it is possible that they can make Kraven the villain of ASM3 with Harry subtly pulling the string, and then in the end of the movie, Harry comes in with the rest of the villains, setting up the conclusion of the overall story in ASM4 (which apparently Andrew Garfield and Marc Webb don't seem to be attached to yet). Still I doubt they'd go with that direction, and the story can work but they have to make a lot of changes.

Appreciate you taking the time for that response! Well, this article is based on the idea that Kraven is given his introduction and a wee bit of development in Sinister Six. I think his time with that team could motivate him to pursue his own goals and almost prove he's "superior" to the others. If they do make SS a mostly Spider-Man-free movie, then yeah, ASM 3 will likely be vs that team, and KLH could work for ASM 4. It's still unclear how they're handling the future but honestly, it's tough for me to imagine they'd move forward with SS without Spider-Man being in it (perhaps that's where they'd introduce MJ, too). But we shall see!

Trust me, I would much prefer it if they went with the way you proposed, but realistically speaking, and I really hate to be a downer, I just don't see them actually focusing on one of the villains of the Six besides Goblin. There's just way too much ground to cover and unresolved plots from the past two movies. The mystery of Uncle Ben's Killer, the mysterious man who visited Connors and Harry, whether or not Norman Osborn is really dead, the aftermath of Gwen's death, the introduction of MJ, whether or not Felicia ends up becoming Black Cat and if the rumors are true the female led Spider-Woman movie, the rumored Venom movie and the possible introduction of Carnage. There was also a deleted scene where Peter's dad is revealed to be actually alive! With all that going on, do you think there is enough time to put the spotlight on one of the Six villains? They haven't even confirmed ASM4, and ASM3's direction is still uncertain, not to mention the other rumored spinoffs. From the impression that I got Andrew Garfield isn't involved in anything besides ASM3, I feel like it will focus on the villains with Spidey possibly making some cameos here and there, probably in CGI.

However, as I was writing this post several thoughts came to mind on how they can tie some of these plots together. I was going to post ithere, but since it seemed too long and drifted away from the topic I just decided to give its own thread in the Spider-Man forum here on the Vine. Check it out if you can I would love to read your thoughts.

http://www.comicvine.com/spider-man/4005-1443/forums/sinister-six-movie-and-beyond-theories-1597897/

I'll take a look tonight, thanks.

@granitesoldier said:

@k4tzm4n: Great article but I have one issue, and perhaps I just didn't read it correctly or skimmed over that particular part but I must ask: despite it being a great idea, do you really think they'd do it over the actual battling of the Sinister Six?

What I mean is since we are getting a Sinister Six movie I feel it is likely to be the team coming together, butting heads (they are villains and several have massive egos) and developing a plan and attack methodology to best combat Spider-Man. Now the problem is more than half the Sinister Six members haven't been introduced yet, so the average moviegoer won't know why these members (like Kraven or Mysterio) have beef with Spidey. I feel this means the Sinister Six movie may also have a series of "flashback moments" to establish Spidey having gotten in their way and stopped them from one thing or another.

This would logically seem, to me at least, that ASM3 will be Spidey combating the Sinister Six, as ASM2's tagline was: "his greatest battle begins here". I took this as the introduction of the Green Goblin and the allusion to the Sinister Six. I could see them going the route of Spidey gaining the symbiote and using that to his advantage to take on the Sinister Six, before having ASM4 cap it off with his confrontation with Venom.

This could allude to a Venom film (which we've heard announced if memory serves) between ASM3 and ASM4, which better establishes Brock as a character and why he hates Spider-Man (Spidey could "ruin" him somehow during Peter's encounter with the Sinister Six) and end the ASM movie series with Peter overcoming Venom. Person fanboy note: it'd be awesome if they ended ASM4 with Peter defeating Eddie, the government taking the symbiote, and the film ending with Flash Thompson bonding with the suit as part of Project: Rebirth.

I may have rambled a bit there but my point is while I feel Kraven's Last Hunt would be an awesome tale to tell in film, I just don't see it likely in the cards with what we have currently seen, what we've seen announced, and with how many films we know they have planned.

Would be an awesome idea though.

SO. MUCH. RAMBLING!

But really, this article was made under the impression that Sinister Six would include its big fight with Spider-Man. I know that's a big task, but after ASM 2 didn't do as well as they hoped it would, it's difficult for me to believe they'd take a risk and make a movie just about the team. I can see them having a Peter/MJ plot on the side and eventually Spider-Man has to fight them. It's a lot to tackle in one movie, but crowded CBMs aren't exactly new and I wouldn't be surprised if some characters were one-dimensional.

@tdk_1997 Thank you!

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Posted by GraniteSoldier

@k4tzm4n: Good point. I hadn't considered them going the route of cramming it all into one film, especially since the hints I received from ASM2. If that's the case I'd love to see Kraven escape capture and them do a Kravens Last Hunt style movie.

I feel like it'd make the Sinister Six movie a mess though lol.

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Posted by snarkybits

I'd enjoy that.

Though I haven't seen the first two, yet.

Posted by mje360

I wouldn't want to see the story adapted into Amazing Spider-Man 3. Only if the creators were close to the project, would the movie turn out to be something I actually want to see. Because of how Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out, I have no interest in the franchise anymore. I could only dream of someone giving this story the dark spin and triumph it needs.

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